"Don't I Deserve to be Privileged?" - A Thread for Jazmine Sullivan

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Long overdue; the "Reality Show" album will easily be one of my favorites of the year.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:43 (five years ago) link

the not-so-secret fact that Reality Show is a concept album should allow for more rockist venues to write this up rapturously but i guess it didn't happen that often?
Blood Orange's rapturous review here notwithstanding: http://saintheron.com/featured/blood-oranges-devonte-hynes-reviews-jazmine-sullivans-reality-show-album/

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:46 (five years ago) link

Shit I still haven't heard the new one, will need to remedy that

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:49 (five years ago) link

If we're posting links: http://www.spin.com/reviews/jazmine-sullivan-reality-show/

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:49 (five years ago) link

along with everything i've said in the r&b thread this feels like a uniquely topical album as well - so much arty internet music gets the "music for the time we live in" tag, but this really does capture so much of how social media/reality tv/our panoptic age can feel like a minefield to navigate at the same time as a drama to watch, how it creates these archetypes and so on...

lex pretend, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:00 (five years ago) link

and there are so many layers to this, in the songwriting and the delivery and everything

lex pretend, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:01 (five years ago) link

Great great album.

ANU (sisilafami), Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:15 (five years ago) link

i'm seeing her tonight :D

dyl, Thursday, 19 March 2015 17:14 (five years ago) link

i thought she was awesome live; report back!

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 18:20 (five years ago) link

Missed her recent DC area gig and she's already coming back shortly. $40 tho.

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 March 2015 14:45 (five years ago) link

she was excellent! amazingly she said toward the beginning that she'd been having issues with her vocals... not that you would have known it otherwise because her singing was really terrific. the set felt very cohesive (beautiful band arrangements too) and went for a little over an hour. part of me wanted it to go longer because it felt like it had just flown by. there were many ~moments~ (her beautiful adlibs in "forever don't last" come to mind immediately) but what really took my breath away was her "in love with another man" encore which legit had me shedding tears.

dyl, Friday, 20 March 2015 14:59 (five years ago) link

"In love with another man" suddenly popped up in the shuffle on the ipod I use at the gym. Very old-school school soulful musical feel to that one.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 21 March 2015 17:27 (five years ago) link

rapgenius making themselves useful for once, jazmine did some video interview and talked about some of the songs and they transcribed it

"mascara"

I was looking at [videos girls uploaded on Instagram], and I was looking at each of their pages, and [they all] looked like a carbon copy of [each] other, and I was like, ‘Wow, their lives look so similar’. [… From] the way they pose, to their bodies— the way their bodies looked— to their lifestyle, [they] all looked like [each] other. I felt like that is something I should document. If only to look back, I feel like this album would be like a time capsule where we could look back and see how we were affected by society, or how how society was at a certain time.

"brand new"

I watch a lot of reality TV, Love & Hip-Hop being one of [the] shows that I watch, and I think that that scenario was probably taken from just watching that and watching women struggle with men who kind of get to a certain status or whatever and don’t really consider them anymore. And not only just on reality shows, just period: I see a lot of rappers [… and it] doesn’t look like he’s seeing a lot of the women he started out with. So I thought that was a story that needed to be told.

"masterpiece"

I think I’ve always dealt with self-image issues, as well as a lot of people— especially women and young girls, and especially young Black girls. It’s me finally being able to accept and even love all the things about me and finding them beautiful.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 11:13 (five years ago) link

excellent album but am i the only one who thinks Love Me Back is easily her best?

some dude, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 11:44 (five years ago) link

love me back is amazing but i'm still in my first flush of enthusiasm for reality show, still hearing new things and being blown away every time i listen, so at this point it's hard to compare them (plus, they're so different)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 11:52 (five years ago) link

Jazmine ❤️

longneck, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 12:58 (five years ago) link

I wasn't crazy about some of her earliest performances. The leap in songwriting and the interest in concision put Reality Show over for me. She brims with the confidence of an artist who knows what she wants to sound like.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:09 (five years ago) link

Reality Show really is a fantastic album but Fearless is still my favourite. I know I'm in the minority here but I thought Love Me Back was slightly disappointing. Nothing on there I love as much as Lions, Tigers & Bears, Dream Big or In Love With Another Man.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:12 (five years ago) link

omg i love this album

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:17 (five years ago) link

i am always singing either mascara or stupid girl in my head lately. it can be inconvenient.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:19 (five years ago) link

ditto but also "brand new" which sounds SO MUCH like a Missy production to me.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:20 (five years ago) link

i love the way many of the songs on the album twist and turn lyrically from where they begin. i'm still surprised when "silver lining" turns into a song about sticking people up.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:21 (five years ago) link

"brand new" is great. both it and "mascara" make excellent use of that point where her voice breaks and sounds painfully beautiful.

i feel like she would sing entire songs in that register on love me back, and even though it sounded amazing, i would worry that she was going to break her vocal cords or something.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:22 (five years ago) link

"#hoodlove" uses her vocal break well, too.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:23 (five years ago) link

furthermore,

BOYS HAVE TOYS TOOOOOOO
WE KNOW THEY DO
THEY CALL US STUPID GIRLS
THEY CALL US STUUUUUUUUUUUUPID GIRLS

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:23 (five years ago) link

please stop

it's now stuck in my head

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:28 (five years ago) link

which one are you, Alfred?
cause i know who i am
and you have to choose
to use your head or be a stupid girl

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:33 (five years ago) link

i love the way many of the songs on the album twist and turn lyrically from where they begin. i'm still surprised when "silver lining" turns into a song about sticking people up.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:21 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"mascara" sounds like this to me, too; like it meanders, but purposefully

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:34 (five years ago) link

BOYS HAVE TOYS TOOOOOOO
WE KNOW THEY DO
THEY CALL US STUPID GIRLS
THEY CALL US STUUUUUUUUUUUUPID GIRLS

― horseshoe, Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:23 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^otm

rob, Monday, 30 March 2015 17:41 (five years ago) link

x-post- Reality Show really is a fantastic album but Fearless is still my favourite. I know I'm in the minority here but I thought Love Me Back was slightly disappointing. Nothing on there I love as much as Lions, Tigers & Bears, Dream Big or In Love With Another Man.

― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, March 25, 2015

With ya on Fearless

curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:13 (five years ago) link

can someone explain to me how "stupid girls" is not a huge hit already ?

ANU (sisilafami), Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:27 (five years ago) link

Programmers and A&R men are stupid.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:28 (five years ago) link

xp feel the same way about stanley/brand new/mascara/#hoodlove and maybe veins and masterpiece too; album is all muscle

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:30 (five years ago) link

and forever don't last of course; so strong
saw her do that live with an unplugged guitar, she demolished it.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:31 (five years ago) link

"brand new" is the next single i think; like "mascara" it's masterful songwriting and performance but its genius is subtle enough that it doesn't scream SMASH to me

"stupid girls" and "stanley" feel very wasted though - the former might get too many winehouse comparisons (it's not at all hampered by the similarity tho imo) but the latter feels like a song that could really get her over that hump (though i guess "don't make me wait" was a similar song from the last album)

lex pretend, Friday, 3 April 2015 06:27 (five years ago) link

i think "let it burn" might actually be the next single, as it is rising on the adult r&b (airplay) chart on billboard right now

dyl, Friday, 3 April 2015 16:37 (five years ago) link

"brand new" is my fave right now; it destroys me

horseshoe, Saturday, 4 April 2015 12:44 (five years ago) link

this ain't fair
who was there?
who was lovin you?

horseshoe, Saturday, 4 April 2015 12:44 (five years ago) link

Just show me some appreciation
Or maybe take a bitch to dinner!

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 April 2015 12:51 (five years ago) link

"brand new" is my fave right now; it destroys me

― horseshoe, Saturday, April 4, 2015 12:44 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

goddamn i'm so embarrassed kills me

lex pretend, Saturday, 4 April 2015 13:42 (five years ago) link

"Brand New" is a good choice. Maybe it can catch some Empire tail, as the storyline nearly matches up with Cookie's.

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 4 April 2015 15:03 (five years ago) link

FINALLY listening to the new album

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 April 2015 22:34 (five years ago) link

She's playing next Tuesday but I've got a 6 a.m. flight the next day. ARGH.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 April 2015 22:37 (five years ago) link

i happen to be working a show that she's in later this year and am currently working on a bowl for her with the words "DON'T I DESERVE TO GET THE VERY BEST?" etched into it.

Would have made a better thread title

deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 6 April 2015 22:49 (five years ago) link

l'esprit deej l'escalier

it definitely leaves a stronger first impression than the first two albums did

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 April 2015 23:01 (five years ago) link

The last half of this record is so much fun!!!

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 April 2015 23:10 (five years ago) link

The last track is really great

, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 00:54 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

i feel like the second verse of "brand new" is even better than anything kendrick would have contributed, but i also want to hear this putative remix!

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:22 (four years ago) link

i also have no idea whether he'd go apologetic or battle-of-sexes confrontational, but either way, jazmine's original tells the woman's story fully, and the male response should def be a part 2 rather than built into that

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:23 (four years ago) link

i too would love hearing kendrick on a remix, but sadly i think she has been quietly pushed from mainstream r&b radio to adult r&b radio over the course of this album cycle, where i think such a thing wouldn't take. obv we have discussed the difficulties black women in r&b (and in general) face in the mainstream lately so it seems like the older audience who wants to hear "let it burn" (as they should -- great song!) is where the industry will keep her slotted for some time :\

i remember hearing "brand new" on the mainstream r&b/hip-hop station here a couple times, complete with a recording of jazmine introducing it, but sadly they stopped playing it before long and now the only place i hear her is on the adult station that has "let it burn" in strong rotation

dyl, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:41 (four years ago) link

at both of her 2016 NYC plays (including a free concert with a 5k+ showing and a fairly expensive $40 ticket that sold out about 2.5k), both shows provided an unofficial but consistent demographic: Jazmine's audience is certainly but not drastically older than the mainstream hip hop/R&B radio demographic (heavy on the 20/early 30 somethings), more women than men (maybe a 70/30 split), lots of queer signifiers among the male audience members and a fan base dominated by more than 90% people of color.

It's worth noting that her fans are not casual fans; the crowd was going crazy every time she directly addressed them, did a costume change or tried something new with a song. They were as enthusiastic about cuts from the first album as the new album. She's endowed with the "1000 True Fans" curse/blessing: she'll be able to make a comfortable living as an artist doing it more or less the way she wants to for the rest of her career but unless she kowtows to the market, she's unlikely to have a genre-crossing megahit anytime in the next decade.

ulysses, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 19:06 (four years ago) link

yeah, that's what i've seen on the few times she's been to the uk, and it applies to a large proportion of my own personal fav artists. i'm not that mad about jazmine not smashing on the charts, i'm mad that she really doesn't get her critical due - or at least, critics seem to ultimately love her but editors don't commission them to write about her. reality show got hardly any critical ink in 2015 and then placed surprisingly high on p&j, and of course there's the grammy nom. but where is the coverage? ok, there's a bit, but she should be talked about alongside kendrick.

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 20:39 (four years ago) link

I just remembered I haven't listened to this album in three weeks.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:56 (four years ago) link

There's an interview with Pitchfork up as well! Shame it's not a part of the "main" site though where I assume more people might see it. http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1016-jazmine-sullivan-on-songwritings-labor-of-love/

art baengels (monotony), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:05 (four years ago) link

WTF at that crank yankers video for dumb

ulysses, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 22:47 (four years ago) link

That was pretty much the audience breakdown when I saw her in Philly too though it seemed to be a bit younger slanted. I looooove that Pitchfork piece, and I just realized that mural is on my way to work and I have never seen it!!

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 14:11 (four years ago) link

also does an unedited version of "Reality Show" even exist?? every copy I've heard has a bunch of (but not all???) of the *choice words* backmasked. Is this a thing that ppl do?

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 14:15 (four years ago) link

it's um, up on spotify.

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 14:56 (four years ago) link

I haven't fully gone through the curses but my sense is that she mutes them or not for dramatic/character effect

cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:42 (four years ago) link

oh i see what you're talking about wrt 'Brand New'
yeah, i think you're right lex; compare to '#hoodlove' where such niceties are quickly dropped.

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:44 (four years ago) link

same with "b___ don't kill my vibe" on Mascara

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:11 (four years ago) link

ha i wondered this for ages re: the editing

reminds me of being unable to find a completely unedited version of the miseducation of lauryn hill back in the day

dyl, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:16 (four years ago) link

i just filed a profile of jazmine; i hung out with her at her mom's place

maura, Thursday, 11 February 2016 04:28 (four years ago) link

whoa rad

get a long, little doggy (m bison), Thursday, 11 February 2016 05:07 (four years ago) link

Rad, please link when its up?

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 February 2016 05:37 (four years ago) link

Awesome! Are the grammys the sole reason for all of this recent promo or is she just finally getting the spotlight she has long deserved?

art baengels (monotony), Thursday, 11 February 2016 05:50 (four years ago) link

i think it's the grammys

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 February 2016 06:34 (four years ago) link

in that case hoping to see some more writeups of kehlani and the internet!

art baengels (monotony), Thursday, 11 February 2016 06:58 (four years ago) link

here you go :)

https://www.redbulletin.com/us/us/culture/jazmine-sullivan-is-rbs-new-queen

maura, Friday, 12 February 2016 15:08 (four years ago) link

nice piece Maura!
i love this moment from the live version of "Forever Don't Last"; when she does this, it's so clear that she acts as a very real avatar for a meaningful portion of her audience that doesn't often hear their voice on the radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeIg6BaEDbg#t=2m23s

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 February 2016 15:30 (four years ago) link

bah, got the embed wrong, jump to 2.19

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 February 2016 15:31 (four years ago) link

Definitely agree. I felt it when I saw her in Boston last year, too.

maura, Friday, 12 February 2016 15:36 (four years ago) link

great piece maura :)

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 12 February 2016 15:47 (four years ago) link

thank you lex :) talking to you on saturday helped crystallize a lot of its bits in my mind!

maura, Friday, 12 February 2016 15:50 (four years ago) link

here's another good interview http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/interview-jazmine-sullivan

cher guevara (lex pretend), Saturday, 13 February 2016 15:44 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

hilariously tacky https://twitter.com/seabethree/status/788527991768903681

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 01:47 (four years ago) link

She's getting lots of grief for it on twitter

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 16:41 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-cNN_SPqL0

Jeff W, Friday, 4 August 2017 18:57 (three years ago) link

like this a lot

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 5 August 2017 16:24 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

new single!!!! it's good!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnZb_a3oKwE

monotony, Friday, 28 August 2020 03:54 (three months ago) link

love this (and love that she’s back)

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 28 August 2020 06:37 (three months ago) link

Yes

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 August 2020 14:38 (three months ago) link

yes!

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Friday, 28 August 2020 15:08 (three months ago) link

my god

I'm ready

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 August 2020 15:09 (three months ago) link

I was wondering where Jazmine had gone only last week. This song is fantastic.

Tim F, Friday, 28 August 2020 15:52 (three months ago) link

FINALLY

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:28 (three months ago) link

She notably reappeared in my Spotify daily mix playlists a few weeks back, but not with new material, hmmm.

Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:48 (three months ago) link

friday lunchtime cries

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:58 (three months ago) link

revisited Love Me Back a few weeks ago apropos of our "best year for music in the 2010's" poll. def one of the reasons why i went with 2010

new song is beautiful

gaudio, Friday, 28 August 2020 19:10 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

omg, "Pick Up Your Feelings" is fucking perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkMRkQbVLVU

Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2020 19:32 (one week ago) link

Lost One is lovely but sounds like an intro/outro imo.
Feelings otoh is a fucking banger.

Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2020 19:40 (one week ago) link

wow

kiss some penis reference (breastcrawl), Friday, 20 November 2020 22:12 (one week ago) link

i love her so much

monotony, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:37 (one week ago) link

here's the live version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeP--wHHiy8

monotony, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:38 (one week ago) link

what if this ends up being her best album yet

dyl, Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:12 (one week ago) link

so good

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Saturday, 21 November 2020 16:17 (one week ago) link

xps to the live version:
what a song, what a singer

there is one for “Lost One” too, from the same session:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObvvP1B1Wuw

Running up that hill but fleeting (a deal with Gop) (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 21:52 (three days ago) link


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