"Don't I Deserve to be Privileged?" - A Thread for Jazmine Sullivan

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Long overdue; the "Reality Show" album will easily be one of my favorites of the year.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:43 (six years ago) link

the not-so-secret fact that Reality Show is a concept album should allow for more rockist venues to write this up rapturously but i guess it didn't happen that often?
Blood Orange's rapturous review here notwithstanding: http://saintheron.com/featured/blood-oranges-devonte-hynes-reviews-jazmine-sullivans-reality-show-album/

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:46 (six years ago) link

Shit I still haven't heard the new one, will need to remedy that

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:49 (six years ago) link

If we're posting links: http://www.spin.com/reviews/jazmine-sullivan-reality-show/

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:49 (six years ago) link

along with everything i've said in the r&b thread this feels like a uniquely topical album as well - so much arty internet music gets the "music for the time we live in" tag, but this really does capture so much of how social media/reality tv/our panoptic age can feel like a minefield to navigate at the same time as a drama to watch, how it creates these archetypes and so on...

lex pretend, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:00 (six years ago) link

and there are so many layers to this, in the songwriting and the delivery and everything

lex pretend, Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:01 (six years ago) link

Great great album.

ANU (sisilafami), Thursday, 19 March 2015 16:15 (six years ago) link

i'm seeing her tonight :D

dyl, Thursday, 19 March 2015 17:14 (six years ago) link

i thought she was awesome live; report back!

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 March 2015 18:20 (six years ago) link

Missed her recent DC area gig and she's already coming back shortly. $40 tho.

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 March 2015 14:45 (six years ago) link

she was excellent! amazingly she said toward the beginning that she'd been having issues with her vocals... not that you would have known it otherwise because her singing was really terrific. the set felt very cohesive (beautiful band arrangements too) and went for a little over an hour. part of me wanted it to go longer because it felt like it had just flown by. there were many ~moments~ (her beautiful adlibs in "forever don't last" come to mind immediately) but what really took my breath away was her "in love with another man" encore which legit had me shedding tears.

dyl, Friday, 20 March 2015 14:59 (six years ago) link

"In love with another man" suddenly popped up in the shuffle on the ipod I use at the gym. Very old-school school soulful musical feel to that one.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 21 March 2015 17:27 (six years ago) link

rapgenius making themselves useful for once, jazmine did some video interview and talked about some of the songs and they transcribed it

"mascara"

I was looking at [videos girls uploaded on Instagram], and I was looking at each of their pages, and [they all] looked like a carbon copy of [each] other, and I was like, ‘Wow, their lives look so similar’. [… From] the way they pose, to their bodies— the way their bodies looked— to their lifestyle, [they] all looked like [each] other. I felt like that is something I should document. If only to look back, I feel like this album would be like a time capsule where we could look back and see how we were affected by society, or how how society was at a certain time.

"brand new"

I watch a lot of reality TV, Love & Hip-Hop being one of [the] shows that I watch, and I think that that scenario was probably taken from just watching that and watching women struggle with men who kind of get to a certain status or whatever and don’t really consider them anymore. And not only just on reality shows, just period: I see a lot of rappers [… and it] doesn’t look like he’s seeing a lot of the women he started out with. So I thought that was a story that needed to be told.

"masterpiece"

I think I’ve always dealt with self-image issues, as well as a lot of people— especially women and young girls, and especially young Black girls. It’s me finally being able to accept and even love all the things about me and finding them beautiful.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 11:13 (six years ago) link

excellent album but am i the only one who thinks Love Me Back is easily her best?

some dude, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 11:44 (six years ago) link

love me back is amazing but i'm still in my first flush of enthusiasm for reality show, still hearing new things and being blown away every time i listen, so at this point it's hard to compare them (plus, they're so different)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 11:52 (six years ago) link

Jazmine ❤️

longneck, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 12:58 (six years ago) link

I wasn't crazy about some of her earliest performances. The leap in songwriting and the interest in concision put Reality Show over for me. She brims with the confidence of an artist who knows what she wants to sound like.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:09 (six years ago) link

Reality Show really is a fantastic album but Fearless is still my favourite. I know I'm in the minority here but I thought Love Me Back was slightly disappointing. Nothing on there I love as much as Lions, Tigers & Bears, Dream Big or In Love With Another Man.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:12 (six years ago) link

omg i love this album

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:17 (six years ago) link

i am always singing either mascara or stupid girl in my head lately. it can be inconvenient.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:19 (six years ago) link

ditto but also "brand new" which sounds SO MUCH like a Missy production to me.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:20 (six years ago) link

i love the way many of the songs on the album twist and turn lyrically from where they begin. i'm still surprised when "silver lining" turns into a song about sticking people up.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:21 (six years ago) link

"brand new" is great. both it and "mascara" make excellent use of that point where her voice breaks and sounds painfully beautiful.

i feel like she would sing entire songs in that register on love me back, and even though it sounded amazing, i would worry that she was going to break her vocal cords or something.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:22 (six years ago) link

"#hoodlove" uses her vocal break well, too.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:23 (six years ago) link

furthermore,

BOYS HAVE TOYS TOOOOOOO
WE KNOW THEY DO
THEY CALL US STUPID GIRLS
THEY CALL US STUUUUUUUUUUUUPID GIRLS

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:23 (six years ago) link

please stop

it's now stuck in my head

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:28 (six years ago) link

which one are you, Alfred?
cause i know who i am
and you have to choose
to use your head or be a stupid girl

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:33 (six years ago) link

i love the way many of the songs on the album twist and turn lyrically from where they begin. i'm still surprised when "silver lining" turns into a song about sticking people up.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:21 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"mascara" sounds like this to me, too; like it meanders, but purposefully

horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:34 (six years ago) link

BOYS HAVE TOYS TOOOOOOO
WE KNOW THEY DO
THEY CALL US STUPID GIRLS
THEY CALL US STUUUUUUUUUUUUPID GIRLS

― horseshoe, Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:23 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^otm

rob, Monday, 30 March 2015 17:41 (six years ago) link

x-post- Reality Show really is a fantastic album but Fearless is still my favourite. I know I'm in the minority here but I thought Love Me Back was slightly disappointing. Nothing on there I love as much as Lions, Tigers & Bears, Dream Big or In Love With Another Man.

― Kitchen Person, Wednesday, March 25, 2015

With ya on Fearless

curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:13 (six years ago) link

can someone explain to me how "stupid girls" is not a huge hit already ?

ANU (sisilafami), Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:27 (six years ago) link

Programmers and A&R men are stupid.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:28 (six years ago) link

xp feel the same way about stanley/brand new/mascara/#hoodlove and maybe veins and masterpiece too; album is all muscle

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:30 (six years ago) link

and forever don't last of course; so strong
saw her do that live with an unplugged guitar, she demolished it.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 April 2015 21:31 (six years ago) link

"brand new" is the next single i think; like "mascara" it's masterful songwriting and performance but its genius is subtle enough that it doesn't scream SMASH to me

"stupid girls" and "stanley" feel very wasted though - the former might get too many winehouse comparisons (it's not at all hampered by the similarity tho imo) but the latter feels like a song that could really get her over that hump (though i guess "don't make me wait" was a similar song from the last album)

lex pretend, Friday, 3 April 2015 06:27 (six years ago) link

i think "let it burn" might actually be the next single, as it is rising on the adult r&b (airplay) chart on billboard right now

dyl, Friday, 3 April 2015 16:37 (six years ago) link

"brand new" is my fave right now; it destroys me

horseshoe, Saturday, 4 April 2015 12:44 (six years ago) link

this ain't fair
who was there?
who was lovin you?

horseshoe, Saturday, 4 April 2015 12:44 (six years ago) link

Just show me some appreciation
Or maybe take a bitch to dinner!

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 April 2015 12:51 (six years ago) link

"brand new" is my fave right now; it destroys me

― horseshoe, Saturday, April 4, 2015 12:44 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

goddamn i'm so embarrassed kills me

lex pretend, Saturday, 4 April 2015 13:42 (six years ago) link

"Brand New" is a good choice. Maybe it can catch some Empire tail, as the storyline nearly matches up with Cookie's.

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 4 April 2015 15:03 (six years ago) link

FINALLY listening to the new album

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 April 2015 22:34 (six years ago) link

She's playing next Tuesday but I've got a 6 a.m. flight the next day. ARGH.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 April 2015 22:37 (six years ago) link

i happen to be working a show that she's in later this year and am currently working on a bowl for her with the words "DON'T I DESERVE TO GET THE VERY BEST?" etched into it.

Would have made a better thread title

deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 6 April 2015 22:49 (six years ago) link

l'esprit deej l'escalier

it definitely leaves a stronger first impression than the first two albums did

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 April 2015 23:01 (six years ago) link

The last half of this record is so much fun!!!

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 April 2015 23:10 (six years ago) link

The last track is really great

, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 00:54 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

aoty

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:37 (six months ago) link

fuck yeah

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 22:01 (six months ago) link

fuck yeaux

out comes stanley, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 22:08 (six months ago) link

So soon!

kitchen person, Thursday, 3 December 2020 02:15 (six months ago) link

I think this is just an EP rather than an album (the word "project" is used in the press release which is a bit vague) but I'm happy she's getting something out whatever it may be

monotony, Thursday, 3 December 2020 02:27 (six months ago) link

I've played "....Feelings" 80 times since last Thursday.

Reality Show was my favorite album of 2015.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 December 2020 02:41 (six months ago) link

it might've been mine too! i stood around backstage for like two hours waiting to get a picture with her. i never do that with artists!

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 December 2020 04:45 (six months ago) link

somehow "lost one" has grown on me even more since "pick up your feelings" came out

dyl, Thursday, 3 December 2020 05:13 (six months ago) link

that trailer is a little too Dove advert "everyone is beautiful" but at the same time I think if anyone can pull off the nuance and finesse required to make something more complicated and worthwhile it's Sullivan

boxedjoy, Thursday, 3 December 2020 08:15 (six months ago) link

excited for this.

heaux tales, beau tales, Holiday Inn!

fat ass deep state operative (breastcrawl), Thursday, 3 December 2020 08:54 (six months ago) link

yeah I actually don't want to celebrate any CEOs but I am still stoked for this

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 December 2020 12:31 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

it's an album and it's out friday

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 16:08 (five months ago) link

news and track both wonderful

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 16:26 (five months ago) link

man six years exactly she released my album of that year

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 16:31 (five months ago) link

Reality Show has such an awesome opening one-two

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 16:33 (five months ago) link

that ass
make a man leave hoooome

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 16:36 (five months ago) link

v nice track

my npr-listening mom informed me this would be coming out soon lol :)

dyl, Thursday, 7 January 2021 05:35 (five months ago) link

It's an EP:

Just a reminder that this is in fact an EP/PROJECT! Everyone calling it an album is giving me anxiety and high blood pressure.😩 Ok...Toodles. Back to the whypipo whypipoin and getting away w it🙄

— Jazmine Sullivan (@jsullivanmusic) January 7, 2021

anyway, it's fine I guess, the best songs on it are the previously released ones :|

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 8 January 2021 05:05 (five months ago) link

weird i must’ve misinterpreted the number of songs

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 8 January 2021 05:06 (five months ago) link

well, every other track is a spoken word interlude

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 8 January 2021 05:09 (five months ago) link

that’ll do it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 8 January 2021 05:14 (five months ago) link

seems like it’s a Robyn Body Talk sitch where she’ll release multiple parts throughout the year and it’ll form an album when it’s all said and done

winters (josh), Friday, 8 January 2021 08:24 (five months ago) link

jazmine I'm sorry but I removed all the interludes without listening to them, it's nothing personal

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 8 January 2021 13:14 (five months ago) link

you wanna listen to Heaux Tales without hearing about the heaux tales

winters (josh), Friday, 8 January 2021 15:32 (five months ago) link

I like hearing Ari Lennox on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgrCYvVYSRE

tinydesk performance!

k3vin k., Friday, 8 January 2021 18:38 (five months ago) link

after three spins, Bodies /Pricetags / Girl Like Me join Pick Up Your Feelings / Lost One as particularly noteworthy. It's definitely an EP and I have high hopes more is coming. All the subtext is on the surface here, it's hella dark.

I think Pick Up Your Feelings is gonna be in my top ten for last year.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 January 2021 23:29 (five months ago) link

I was so excited to hear this when I woke up today and then I heard it

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 9 January 2021 03:47 (five months ago) link

Basically there are a few great songs on this including what was previously released (per what Murgatroid said), will definitely be returning to some tracks

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 9 January 2021 03:49 (five months ago) link

I was definitely expecting a bit more from this. The Other Side is absolutely gorgeous but it's the only song here that's on the same level as Pick Up Your Feelings.

kitchen person, Sunday, 10 January 2021 04:26 (five months ago) link

as a "part one" with more to come, i'm totally satisfied.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 10 January 2021 05:58 (five months ago) link

perfectly good EP/project

as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Sunday, 10 January 2021 12:38 (five months ago) link

I hope the follow-up is called Meaux Tales

boxedjoy, Monday, 11 January 2021 22:32 (five months ago) link

heaux tales, beau tales, Holiday Inn!

https://www.vulture.com/article/profile-jazmine-sullivan-heaux-tales.html

And she’s been writing Heaux Tales, her first concept album.

i mean... this is wrong? but otherwise not a bad piece. Interesting to find out her mother is a playwright.

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 22:53 (five months ago) link

This is a good piece of work I likely will never listen to again

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:55 (five months ago) link

this is a great record, no idea why someone wouldn't wanna listen to it again lmao

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 January 2021 22:21 (five months ago) link

agreed; it rules

horseshoe, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 22:39 (five months ago) link

It's sound, solid.

two weeks pass...

in other unlikely headline news:
https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/jazmine-sullivan-eric-church-national-anthem-super-bowl.html🕸

reminder

Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 5 February 2021 19:06 (four months ago) link

who's eric church some country dude

I don't think even jazmine can save the Worst Song Ever

Left, Friday, 5 February 2021 19:31 (four months ago) link

like jazmine, eric church is an alum of the ilm 77

he is a good artist despite the occasional self-consciousness of his rock rebel shtick

dyl, Saturday, 6 February 2021 04:10 (four months ago) link

i finally (!) listened to heaux tales and it's honestly really good, confused by the not-even-lukewarm response here

dyl, Sunday, 7 February 2021 06:24 (four months ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/feb/03/jazmine-sullivan-heaux-tales-ep-r-and-b-great-observer

the lex interviewing her. I can only imagine how happy he was to do this!

boxedjoy, Sunday, 7 February 2021 08:13 (four months ago) link

great piece

dyl, Monday, 8 February 2021 02:36 (four months ago) link

Yep, especially for regarding songwriting as something more than autobiographical plumbing

four months pass...

new single "Tragic" comes out tomorrow!

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 10:00 (two days ago) link


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