MephistoPOLLes: Deicide s/t poll

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Niche poll sure. This album gave death metal a jolt in the arm, obv. free of the camp of much of the rest of the genre (it's up to you whether that's a good thing or not), this was practically a call to arms against Nazarene.

I got into it late because of my distaste for Glen Benton and also because until 1999, was a Christian which made listening difficult. But I have to imagine the impact this had on the scene at the time.

so...which is the best? you decide!

Poll Results

4. "Dead by Dawn" 3:56 3
1. "Lunatic of God's Creation" 2:42 1
I am an idiot and hate this album 0
Hail Satan 0
10. "Crucifixation" 0
9. "Day of Darkness" 2:05 0
8. "Mephistopheles" 3:35 0
7. "Carnage in the Temple of the Damned" 3:33 0
6. "Deicide" 4:02 0
5. "Blaspherereion" 4:15 0
3. "Oblivious to Evil" 2:41 0
2. "Sacrificial Suicide" 2:51 0
Chief Keef raps off the beat on purpose 0

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:02 (five years ago) link

Toss up between Lunatic and Dead By Dawn. Voting Dead By Dawn. Great album.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:06 (five years ago) link

for me I think it has to be Lunatic. Glen's high shrieks on "OF GOD'S CREATION" always give me chills, as does that snarling riff beneath that almost seems like it came from below. Enjoyed hearing this live as usual the other night.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:08 (five years ago) link

Yeah, those snarling (perfect word for it) hellhound noises right at the beginning - what a way to open an album! Even after hearing Obituary and shit, my 11 year old brain was not prepared for the heaviness of this record.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:12 (five years ago) link

interestingly I only just learned that the Hoffman brothers resurrected the Amon name and released an album under it, probably because it got little fanfare.

Not sure how curious I'd be to hear it, considering that the group songwriting credits on the first three albums made it difficult to parse how much influence they even had on the sound anyway, but just kinda weird....

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:13 (five years ago) link

at age 11 I was listening to MC Hammer and the Spin Doctors. this album would have given me nightmares.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:14 (five years ago) link

Well, I come from a metal-listening family, so it wasn't too weird, but yeah, shit was genuinely scary back then, for sure. King Diamond albums scared the bejeezus out of me too (in the best way).

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 15 March 2015 15:27 (five years ago) link

I have to wonder, being late to the game (and only being a child at the time these albums came out) how Legion was initially received by fans. I was listening to it last night and while I love it, it's completely its own thing.

The s/t was immediate and had structure and ear-catching riffs, not to mention the sickest vocals, and then Legion begins with arguably the worst song on the album, "Satan Spawn the Caco-Demon". It's not *bad* but it's a meandering mess of repetitive riffs that don't go anywhere, nothing compared to "Lunatic of God's Creation".

I think Glenn once said in an interview that their strategy for the album was throwing out any riff/idea that sounded 'catchy' and that they deliberately sought out riffs/ideas that were complex and challenging, and the album definitely reflects that. And in that way it's kind of a mess - there are just abrupt time shifts that seem to serve no purpose other than to say "hey look we did that". The precision songwriting just isn't there.

But that's what works in its favor, I think. Once the underwhelming opener is done the songs just get more intense - whereas the first album had melodies and punchy riffs, this album is dissonant and percussive, almost as if the guitars serve as an addendum to the drums. Add to it that Asheim is a machine on this album and it feels like a satanic battering ram, and when you approach the album that way, it makes more sense.

I couldn't riff many riffs off of this album if I tried but when I listen to it it makes me want to set fire to churches. And the leads on this album are so otherworldly, half the time off-key but sounding like they were commissioned by Azrael.

As you get further into Legion the songwriting starts to mirror the s/t a little but then they'll just throw an unnecessary time change in there just cos whereas on the s/t they'd let the riff breathe. But it's not really a *bad* thing.

Clearly the band hated the approach because they went lean on OUTC and I always liked *lean* Deicide because it was almost as if it gave them focus and purpose - the title track to OUTC is one of the best songs they ever wrote. "Fear him! Fear him!"

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 16 March 2015 15:26 (five years ago) link

Legion was considered a failure upon release, at least as far as my metal buddies and I were concerned, for many of the reasons you name; it really just doesn't stick to the ribs. Over the years I've grown to like it more, but I still don't think it compares to the s/t. It's become the Pinkerton of death metal.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 00:52 (five years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 21 March 2015 00:01 (five years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 22 March 2015 00:01 (five years ago) link

I prefer post-Hoffman Deicide. Once the guitar solos got all melodic and squiggly (vs. the post-Kerry King whammy bar abuse the brothers brought to the table), the albums got a lot more fun to listen to.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 22 March 2015 00:14 (five years ago) link

Ah, see I disagree - I love the 'noise solos!'

Poor showing here. Guess everyone is busy talking about the new Kendrick Lamar album?

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Sunday, 22 March 2015 01:04 (five years ago) link

I totally missed this thread. Probably would've voted "Dead By Dawn" but "Lunatic of God's Creation" is pretty tight. "Carnage in the Temple" is great, if only for the "Forgive me father, for I have sinned" U WILL NEVER SIN AGAINNNNNNN bit. And Powers Boothe cameo.

^^^ NOT METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 22 March 2015 01:36 (five years ago) link

Wish I could have an ILX-alert to let me know when metal polls are happening. I'm getting too comfortable with using bookmarks.

^^^ NOT METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 22 March 2015 01:37 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

saw them at their one-off show in Sanford last night. even created a special commemorative (cheaply assembled) shirt for the show.

I have two huge knots on my elbow from hitting the deck. I will never miss these guys live..fuckin slayed my eardrums.

"Trifixion" a highlight of the night...also Steve Asheim looks more and more hulking as years go on, almost broke my hand when shaking it

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 31 October 2015 23:12 (four years ago) link

*they even created

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 31 October 2015 23:12 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

new one is hella fun but they get more and more melodic on each album, no less demonic. one of the songs essentially has a Blind Guardian riff in the middle of it.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 September 2018 18:37 (two years ago) link

Shoulda been Oblivious to Evil.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Sunday, 16 September 2018 13:55 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

the "Dead by Dawn" solo is probably the eeriest metal guitar solo known to man

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 January 2019 15:11 (one year ago) link

I was unfair to The Stench of Redemption. Now it's one of my favorites!

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 February 2019 02:32 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

those little rumbly, beastly noises Glen does towards the end of "Lunatic", I heard them all over Sarcofago's I.N.R.I. too. studio trickery or was he doin that shit himself?

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 02:18 (six days ago) link

I remember being shown a video about offensive/dangerous music in English at school when I was about 14. It had stuff about Judas Priest and that guy who shot his face off, the Dead Kennedys, Queen (that song that played backwards is supposed to say something like "you gotta smoke marijuana") and Deicide - at the time I thought Deicide was actually scary and they were real satanists. I think the song they played was Sacrificial Suicide because although I slightly misremembered it because I thought it was something about the "seventh gate of hell" and that song just says "seventh gate" that's probably close enough. some of the boys were saying afterwards they had to go and get that album lol. I wasn't into metal then, the only band that caught my attention was the Dead Kennedys although it took me a few years to actually find anything by them

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 08:54 (six days ago) link

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