R.E.M. trio albums POLL

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Up is gonna walk this

MaresNest, Friday, 16 January 2015 23:41 (four years ago) Permalink

Has this not already been done? Anyway, voting for Accelerate.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:03 (four years ago) Permalink

holy shit those are ugly

languagelessness (mattresslessness), Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:05 (four years ago) Permalink

Up in a heartbeat. Some passable-to-good-ish cuts on Reveal and Accelerate, but come on.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Up. Incredibly diminishing returns after that

col, Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Exactly what I was going to say.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:15 (four years ago) Permalink

polling the best of their worst is borderline cruel

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:16 (four years ago) Permalink

as crap as "Around the Sun" is, at least they're kinda/sorta trying to do something. the last 2 are those dreadful "returns-to-form" beloved by Mojo, hardcore fans and no one else

col, Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:19 (four years ago) Permalink

Well, there's a lot of songs on Up that I like and I enjoy in isolation. However, as a start-to-finish experience I find it a bit overlong (there's one or two tracks which could have been cut, IMO), there's not as much variation in tempo compared to, say, New Adventures In Hi-Fi which is of similar length (and feels shorter as a result). There's a slickness to the production this record that I like, but only in small doses as I think it gets a bit sickening after an hour or so of it.

Accelerate I can listen to from beginning to end, is less slick, has more energy and I like every song on it (yes, even the goofy 'I'm Gonna DJ'), hence why it gets my vote.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Which is worse, Reveal or Around The Sun?

MaresNest, Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:31 (four years ago) Permalink

You won't immediately turn off Reveal.

campreverb, Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:33 (four years ago) Permalink

Around The Sun is the worst album R.E.M. ever put their name to, I think even they'd say that themselves.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:36 (four years ago) Permalink

After the release of their following album, Accelerate, guitarist Peter Buck said that for him Around the Sun "... just wasn't really listenable, because it sounds like what it is, a bunch of people that are so bored with the material that they can't stand it anymore."

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:39 (four years ago) Permalink

as crap as "Around the Sun" is, at least they're kinda/sorta trying to do something. the last 2 are those dreadful "returns-to-form" beloved by Mojo, hardcore fans and no one else

― col, Saturday, January 17, 2015 12:19 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What, like fall asleep? 'Living Well Is The Best Revenge' and 'Horse To Water' alone wipes the floor with anything on Around The Sun. I don't rate Collapse Into Now as highly as Accelerate, but it has 'All The Best' on it, which again is better than the whole of Around The Sun combined IMO.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:40 (four years ago) Permalink

I definitely think R.E.M. splitting up was the best thing they could have done at the time when they did it, though. It's hard to say where else they could have taken it.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:42 (four years ago) Permalink

look, I agree Around the Sun is an utterly shit record. But I find the last 2 are just dispiriting: a band trying to recapture what it thinks its fans want.

The contract w/Warners was a devil's bargain--they had to keep grinding these records out when they should've broken up around 2000. I just wish they'd done some weird thing like Up every 4 years rather than trying to pull a U2.

col, Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:46 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean, yeah, on paper it's easy to point to Accelerate and say "yeah, this band are deliberately, and cynically, trying to go back to their '80s sound", but when I listen to it I don't get the sense that the band are just going through the motions for the sake of pandering to their fanbase even if that may have been the case. If anything they seem to be into it, committed to it and there's a sense that they're having fun (particularly Peter Buck, who if you read between the lines of various interviews preferred to make records this way compared to how they approached the three before), which is something that is definitely absent from Around The Sun. If the band weren't into it, you'd be able to tell on the final product. You can definitely tell on Around The Sun!

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:56 (four years ago) Permalink

I think most people would say that they should have split when Berry left, to be honest. I'm kinda glad they didn't, though.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 17 January 2015 01:00 (four years ago) Permalink

I still think Up is the best album they ever did. I think they should have split after Reveal.

I have to agree about Around The Sun being better than the next two albums. I think it had more good material and some lovely moments even if it isn't executed as well as it could have been. Really wished I agreed with Turrican.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 January 2015 01:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Up is kind of impressive as a post-Berry left turn, but it's not a fun record. Reveal is a decent summertime album. The other three I've heard once and don't need to hear again (I never made it all the way through Around the Sun).

Brad C., Saturday, 17 January 2015 01:06 (four years ago) Permalink

fp'd omar for starting this poll

mookieproof, Saturday, 17 January 2015 01:10 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm basically with Turrican: I don't think Accelerate is *great* all the way through, but its kinda daddish rock moves feel like they're sincere, like it's literally a bunch of dads who play in a bar band and are pretty stoked about these riffs and how loud they get and stuff. It sounds more like New Adventures, or the way they sounded on tour by the mid-00s, than it does their 'classic' records, especially if you compare to 'Bad Day' or even 'Imitation of Life.'

The strongest links back are Mills's backing vocals (pointing to the 80s stuff) and Stipe's sentiments and vocal style (very much their 90s stuff on). It's a different combo of elements, they hadn't really done something that sounds *quite* like ''Supernatural Superserious'' before.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 17 January 2015 01:27 (four years ago) Permalink

I really like the last two records. It's like listening to REM without any baggage at all. At that point in their careers I was kind of over hoping that they would make something that meant as much to me as Up or Automatic, or really most of those earlier albums. After Around The Sun there was no where to go but up. Those last two records let me listen to REM songs that aren't super familiar and carry zero emotional baggage whle still sounding like REM so I get those residual good vibes from the hundreds of hours spent listening to earlier "better" records. And looking at the track list of Collapse it's all pretty solid, maybe no huge standouts, but no huge duds leap out at me. And that part where Blue goes back into Discoverer always kinda gives me goosebumps.

brontosaur, Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:05 (four years ago) Permalink

I still think Up is the best album they ever did.
I still think Up is the best album they ever did.
I still think Up is the best album they ever did.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:16 (four years ago) Permalink

I was a regular on a big REM fansite and I can definitely say that 'giving the fans what they want re. 'classic' REM was a HUGE deal on the forums after the release of Reveal and Around The Sun - many, many arguments.

Master of Treacle, Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Alfred- I'll take that as enthusiastic agreement.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:24 (four years ago) Permalink

I can totally appreciate why people would prefer Murmur, Reckoning, Out Of Time, Automatic and New Adventures but Up is just so beautiful in places. I suppose on a track by track basis Murmur would seem the best but I still prefer Up.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:28 (four years ago) Permalink

fp'd robert adam gilmour for being young

mookieproof, Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:30 (four years ago) Permalink

Is "fp" face palm? I'm really bad at that stuff. It taken me a bloody year to figure out "otm"

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:37 (four years ago) Permalink

"open thy mouth"

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:38 (four years ago) Permalink

landslide. UP is amazing, literally as good as anything they did, for at least half of it.

as a live band they still could take the roof off. that run of Dublin shows (for a week?) in 2007 looked amazing from the YouTubes.

piscesx, Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Also becoming convinced that "Suspicion" is a contender for their best song. So fucking good.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 January 2015 02:48 (four years ago) Permalink

as a live band they still could take the roof off. that run of Dublin shows (for a week?) in 2007 looked amazing from the YouTubes.

― piscesx, Saturday, January 17, 2015 2:39 AM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is another reason why I love Accelerate so much.

My ultimate favourite R.E.M. album, though, if I must choose one and only one, would definitely be New Adventures In Hi-Fi.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 17 January 2015 03:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accelerate >>>>>>>> reveal >> around the Sun > collapse into now

Nourry, Saturday, 17 January 2015 03:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Up >>> Monster >> Accelerate > Collapse Into Now >> Reveal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Around the Sun

ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 17 January 2015 03:50 (four years ago) Permalink

But New Adventures towers over all of these.

ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 17 January 2015 03:50 (four years ago) Permalink

Collapse Into Now is my favorite. Around the Sun (which has "Leaving New York" and "I Wanted to Be Wrong" and "Aftermath") is my 2nd favorite.

timellison, Saturday, 17 January 2015 04:12 (four years ago) Permalink

And this is the period of R.E.M. that I relate to most.

timellison, Saturday, 17 January 2015 04:12 (four years ago) Permalink

guitarist Peter Buck said that for him Around the Sun "... just wasn't really listenable, because it sounds like what it is, a bunch of people that are so bored with the material that they can't stand it anymore."

Yeah, but having probably read numerous interviews with him about this, I think he was talking about becoming bored with the material because he didn't like the laborious process.

timellison, Saturday, 17 January 2015 04:22 (four years ago) Permalink

are there any decent songs on Collapse.. i never bothered to check.

piscesx, Saturday, 17 January 2015 09:06 (four years ago) Permalink

I cant believe I'm actually considering listening to Up again. Why did I open this fucking thread? !

all that glitters ain't cyber gold (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 17 January 2015 09:49 (four years ago) Permalink

I know why; I thought we were polling the REM albums in threes, and I wanted to see if I could vote for Automatic-Monster-Hi Fi

all that glitters ain't cyber gold (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 17 January 2015 09:50 (four years ago) Permalink

I'd rather listen to Up than New Adventures. but not more than any of the other earlier albums. and I've nothing much positive to say about the albums after up except that the "I've Been High" on the recent Unplugged second disk is terrific.

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 17 January 2015 11:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Leaving New York is actually a pretty good song. Doesn't sound like really anything in their pre-trio catalogue.

LimbsKing, Saturday, 17 January 2015 11:36 (four years ago) Permalink

killer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo0jga73ruA

piscesx, Saturday, 17 January 2015 11:50 (four years ago) Permalink

Up is by miles the best of this, Reveal has a couple of moments that are mainly down to production choices rather than songwriting. Of the albums that followed, only Accelerate is worth the time of day, they can do that sort of stuff standing on their head but at least they sound like they mean it on that one.

Matt DC, Saturday, 17 January 2015 12:46 (four years ago) Permalink

The way the song titles are broken up on the back cover of Up conveniently divides the album into thirds, iirc, which is a great way to approach it.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 January 2015 13:33 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.doohan-covers.com/Audio/REM_Up_back.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 January 2015 14:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Up, while overlong and inconsistent, has some fine songs and the sense of the band forced into trying something different.
Reveal's production ruins some lovely songs, not least Beat A Drum. Compare the piano demo to the cluttered sub-Brian Wilson confection on the album. Wilson always left space in his arrangements/productions, something REM and the useless Pat McCarthy (worst producer they could have had at this point and major reason Reveal and ATS sound so lifeless). The switch to digital synths really didn't help either. I'm not in anyway an analogue purist, but they made some poor decisions with keyboard sounds around this period - glassy, rinky dink melody lines and bland pads.
Accelerate certainly has a confidence they'd been lacking on record for years, but it does get a bit REM by numbers at times. It was a necessary exercise in getting back to basics, or at least as back to basics as a massive corporate operation can get. Collapse Into Now might seem just as calculated, but it's a pretty nice exercise in late style, and does some quite interesting things with various REM tropes. The glam rock track is poor, but the likes of Uberlin and Oh My Heart are very well crafted bits of folk-rock. The final non-album single, We All Go Back To Where We Belong was lovely - Mills finally nailing the Brian Wilson thing he'd been trying for on Reveal, and Stipe pitching the sentiment just right.

Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Saturday, 17 January 2015 14:06 (four years ago) Permalink

I had to look back at an old fanzine review I did of Reveal. I wrote, "One thing these lyrics do is to reduce the character sketch approach from storytelling back into more of a poetic form."

timellison, Sunday, 17 March 2019 17:28 (two months ago) Permalink

Listening now, I'm not so sure! I think the structures tighten up more with Around the Sun (and stay that way from there on out, ending with songs under three minutes on Collapse).

timellison, Sunday, 17 March 2019 17:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Reveal is a potentially great album marred by Stipe sounding so halfhearted, they sound like quickly recorded guide vocals half the time. Usually he's one of my favourote singers so what was going on in summer 2000? was he ill or just not into it?

thomasintrouble, Sunday, 17 March 2019 17:50 (two months ago) Permalink

"Beat a Drum" is fantastic.

timellison, Sunday, 17 March 2019 17:58 (two months ago) Permalink

Classic R.E.M.

timellison, Sunday, 17 March 2019 17:58 (two months ago) Permalink

“I’ve Been High” has great singing. Really that’s all I need from Reveal. Maybe “Beat a Drum”.

L'assie (Euler), Sunday, 17 March 2019 17:59 (two months ago) Permalink

"Beat A Drum" is my pick too, amazing song. Several of the others felt a little too anonymous to me at the time, like any band could have done "She Just Wants To Be" or "I'll Take the Rain." I should give it a relisten though.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:03 (two months ago) Permalink

"Imitation of Life," though. Like another Out of Time hit. That one was rad live.

timellison, Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:07 (two months ago) Permalink

absolutely, that and pilgrimage were the highlights when we saw them in '05

thomasintrouble, Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:15 (two months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YlaOH_ovVg

reveal was... a little overcooked imo, as i think this superior demo proves

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:32 (two months ago) Permalink

xp yeah the Unplugged version of “I’ve Been High” from the Reveal era may reveal charms to the resistant

L'assie (Euler), Sunday, 17 March 2019 19:06 (two months ago) Permalink

er not xp!

L'assie (Euler), Sunday, 17 March 2019 19:06 (two months ago) Permalink

I suppose a big reason for the change in studio approach after Berry left was that Berry and Buck tended to like to get things down onto tape quickly, whereas Mills and Stipe liked to labour over things a little more. When Berry left the band, the balance tipped in favour of Mills and Stipe, who were heavily into the details of the production, sometimes working on perfecting a couple of bars of music for hours. Up, Reveal and Around the Sun were all recorded with this type of approach, until they all agreed to go back to a more organic way of working. Stipe probably laboured over the vocals to those albums far more than their other records - which is probably why they may sound "half-hearted" to some.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 17 March 2019 19:42 (two months ago) Permalink

But how do these albums make you *feel*? "Up" does what it says on the tin, despite some of the somber moments, overall it makes me feel positive and hopeful.

That's one of REM's secrets - their music often taps into your emotional core, making you feel *something*. As opposed to the later albums, which just don't make me feel much at all aside from a track here and there. Listening to any of their IRS-era material, the albums positively soar at times. That faded away for me after "New Adventures" and "Up".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 17 March 2019 23:19 (two months ago) Permalink

This is nice. "Bad Day" b-side, 2003, Magnapop cover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9-g4cdSjvo

timellison, Monday, 18 March 2019 02:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Same disc, Mills, Three Dog Night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvttMIOPiT0

timellison, Monday, 18 March 2019 02:56 (two months ago) Permalink

My other conclusion listening to the second Complete Rarities today - they remained a good surf band ("Tricycle," "Surfing the Ganges," "165 Hillcrest").

timellison, Monday, 18 March 2019 03:04 (two months ago) Permalink

man i'm listening to reveal r/n and it's less good than i remembered. :( "beat a drum" is still fantastic" and "imitation of life" lands like someone just jabbed the album with a syringe full of energy. but after "the lifting," side A is just a prettily-produced wash of songs that are too basic to sustain the nth repetition of "all the way to reno... you're gonna be a star!" or "she just wants to be somewhere she just wants to be" (get it). i really don't like where stipe's good-advice/adult-wisdom songwriting mode ended up here and i agree that his singing is not great.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 18 March 2019 18:08 (two months ago) Permalink

"she just wants to be" is def one of my least favorite rem songs

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 18 March 2019 18:55 (two months ago) Permalink

wow just looking at the tracklisting i'm like "this is a very uneven album that i listened to constantly in high school for some reason?" i used to love "i'll take the rain" but now recognize it as the palest xerox of a rem ballad

i love "i've been high" and "disappear" (which sounds like it's broadcasting the second side of accelerate early) though

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 18 March 2019 18:58 (two months ago) Permalink

all of Around The Sun sounds like the part of a concert where your favorite band plays newer material and all the energy drains from the room.

campreverb, Monday, 18 March 2019 19:06 (two months ago) Permalink

'She Just Wants To Be' sounded much better live. Around the Sun starts off well ('Leaving New York', 'Electron Blue') and then it goes south.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:01 (two months ago) Permalink

most of these songs sounded much better live. the around the sun tracks especially

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:19 (two months ago) Permalink

around the sun songs i'll go to bat for:

electron blue
the outsiders before q-tip appears
i wanted to be wrong
boy in the well
aftermath
ascent of man

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:20 (two months ago) Permalink

"high speed train" is also great i think but it covers very little ground that "boy in the well" doesn't

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:21 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm surprised DC didn't note "I've Been High" as one of the good ones! the electronics threaten to swallow the singing but if you don't like his singing here then that's a good thing. I think his singing on it is gorgeous and as I said even better on the Unplugged from 2001, where the sequence is "Disappear" -> "Beat A Drum" -> "I've Been High".

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:21 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah idk with that one, it just kinda bores me. the lyrics don't land with me, i hear them as generic deep-thought stuff, the images and word choices aren't very unique. i don't fall in love with songs because they have unique words mind you - just trying to articulate what it is that's present in many other r.e.m. songs that's missing here.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:26 (two months ago) Permalink

i've made this point before but around the sun kind of "works" as a document of post-9/11 exhaustion. it came out a month before the 2004 election but it's so depressed i feel like it actually predicted four more years of dubya

there are still too many aimless ballads stacked on top of each other

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:27 (two months ago) Permalink

also re: reveal: the tempo is all very samey on a lot of songs here, and it's a few bpm too slow imo. feels like he gets an idea out, takes a swig of water, deep breath, step away from the lectern, come back to deliver the next line.... everything's kind of contented, no urgency to anything.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:28 (two months ago) Permalink

'Summer Turns To High' is an underrated one from Reveal, IMO.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:35 (two months ago) Permalink

I like the lyric "The light, sometimes it washes over me", it's evocative of a feeling of passivity, and I've always had an ear for Stipe's lyrics suggestive of being a bottom (cf "Bang and Blame") though probably that's just me.

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:38 (two months ago) Permalink

man "i'll take the rain" just goes on and on. it's 5:51! when it comes back to the strumming around 3:40 i have a momentary terror that "she just wants to be" is about to start again.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:41 (two months ago) Permalink

'I'll Take the Rain' is my least favourite track on that LP, because it's totally unsuccessful at what it's trying to achieve. It aims to be this anthemic tear-jerker and it doesn't make me feel a thing.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:45 (two months ago) Permalink

"beach ball" goes down smoothly enough. always reminded me a lot of "emphysema," the b-side to "daysleeper." or i mean it would go on up fine, swap for "parakeet," just part of the texture.

imho apart from "the lifting," "imitation of life" and "beat a drum," every track on reveal is at the level of the couple of tracks i would cut from up, or worse. feels very much of a piece with around the sun from what i can remember of that album. it's cool that other people like this album more than i do but it's really head-scratching to me to remember that it was well-reviewed and well-received at the time. i remember someone making the argument that this had to do with british music journos having a thing for brian wilson around this time, or something, but that doesn't seem like much to go on.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:48 (two months ago) Permalink

i am almost 100 percent certain the lyric is actually "but life sometimes it washes over me" euler

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:48 (two months ago) Permalink

"The Lifting" and "I've Been High," after which I realize, after thirty minutes, that I've been snoring.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:50 (two months ago) Permalink

I actually like Reveal a lot, undoubtedly moreso now than I did at the time of its release. Especially now that I understand the type of record they were trying to make - this hazy, summery kind of record both thematically and sonically. The laid-back vocals and tempos are quite evocative of hot days where you just want to take things slow. Also, Stipe's voice sounds beautiful on it and I don't think the vocals are half-hearted at all - they suit the material.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 18 March 2019 22:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Even on something otherwise gorgeous like 'I wanted to be wrong' it feels like they can't leave well enough alone, like when the slapback guitar comes in on the instrumental break.

campreverb, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 17:55 (two months ago) Permalink

That song rules. Maybe my favorite of any of their political songs.

timellison, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 17:59 (two months ago) Permalink

i remember someone making the argument that this had to do with british music journos having a thing for brian wilson around this time, or something

Also late '60s Glenn Campbell/Jimmy Webb was buzzy then.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 20:25 (two months ago) Permalink

i don't enjoy "REM does beach boys"

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 20:27 (two months ago) Permalink

Not sure I do either and yet "Summer Turns to High" is probably one of the best songs on Reveal. At least I maybe have a sense of what they were going for with the arrangement there, as opposed to, say, "Disappear" (thought I get what Brad was saying about that song presaging Accelerate - wish it was arranged like it would have been on Accelerate).

timellison, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 23:24 (two months ago) Permalink

Could similarly take "Chorus and the Ring" more if it had been arranged like one of the more abstract, eccentric songs on Green.

timellison, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 23:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Stipe's voice sounds beautiful on it and I don't think the vocals are half-hearted at all - they suit the material.

The contrast between it and hearing, say, "Make It All Okay" on the next album, though - I feel like I'm hearing him really sing again.

timellison, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 01:08 (two months ago) Permalink

I remember disliking 'Beachball' with a passion in 2001. Love it now, though.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 09:57 (two months ago) Permalink

Re-listening to Reveal and 'Saturn Return' only improves with age. Stipe's voice sounds gorgeous on it.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 18:54 (two months ago) Permalink

That's fair, but there's something brilliantly transcendent about the looking-back-as-farewell on Collapse Into Now. That record is magic.

man,'Discoverer' popped up on shuffle this am and I am fully on board with this.

campreverb, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 22:46 (two months ago) Permalink

I only listened to all of these albums for the first time in the last year or so and collapse into now is definitely the one I've gone back to the most often

silverfish, Thursday, 21 March 2019 00:50 (two months ago) Permalink

There are indeed some moments on "Reveal" where one admires Stipe being in fine vocal form and able to hit the high notes. And then you put on "Accelerate" where his singing has degenerated to a hoarse bark, and you wonder what exactly happened in his life in those 7 years to destroy his voice.

Melomane, Friday, 22 March 2019 17:55 (two months ago) Permalink

Their tours were fucking massive. But actually I don't know how they'd compare to other bands who did tours like that, but it must take its toll playing to huge audiences who mostly (?) want to hear radio hits.

Reveal has grown for me too. I agree "Saturn Return" is great and that "She Just Wants To Be" should have been cut.

We might have been over this before but were all the tracks recorded in acoustic? Because Buck said they had considered the idea of a whole acoustic album since some of the acoustic versions were so good.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 22 March 2019 20:46 (two months ago) Permalink


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