Mitski

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rough-hewn folk and discordant indie pop. It's streamlined by Mitski's radiant voice, which sounds about halfway between Jennifer Castle and Dee Dee Ramone.

Haven't listened to this Brooklyn resident yet, but does she really sound kinda like Dee Dee

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 13:26 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

Finally listening to this now, after reading hype for their DC gig last night with Eskimeaux and Elvis Depressedly. Bob Boilen at NPR loves her/them. She does not sound like Dee Dee Ramone.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 23:38 (six years ago) link

Kind of a 90s indie emo feel to it

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 23:40 (six years ago) link

they just recorded an NPR Tiny Desk show

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 23:42 (six years ago) link

She/they were great when I saw hem open for Screaming Females a bit ago. Most recent album has some solid earworms.

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 July 2015 02:11 (six years ago) link

Little bit of discussion of Mitski on the Speedy Ortiz thread:

Speedy Ortiz

o. nate, Thursday, 16 July 2015 03:03 (six years ago) link

seven months pass...

whoa this is gr8

Laertiades (imago), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 16:16 (five years ago) link

YES!! Is it premature to call it my favourite album of the year without hearing it? This song is everything.

tangenttangent, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:13 (five years ago) link

Mitski/Oranssi Pazuzu '16

Laertiades (imago), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:14 (five years ago) link

And as Brad will surely remind us, "I like it when you sleep...." isn't on Spotify for another week

Laertiades (imago), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:15 (five years ago) link

this is such a beautiful noise tho, she's gone widescreen

Laertiades (imago), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:15 (five years ago) link

new song is so plodding and tuneless. nothing she's done has been as good as "Townie," incredible song

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:22 (five years ago) link

... ?

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:29 (five years ago) link

this song is all tune

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:30 (five years ago) link

also i love puberty 2 as an album title, one thing that strikes me about mitski is she's incredibly funny

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:33 (five years ago) link

it's a brilliant title yeah, love the cover font too

Laertiades (imago), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 20:34 (five years ago) link

new song is so plodding and tuneless.

o_O

This song is massive and beautiful and makes my heart swell.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 11 March 2016 05:15 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

would just like to reiterate how fucking amazing this song is

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:29 (five years ago) link

we were reflecting on that very fact the other night

Laertiades (imago), Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:32 (five years ago) link

It is my favourite song of the year so far. Definitely going to see her in April! Excited daily about this.

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 30 March 2016 18:33 (five years ago) link

fuck i haven't related to something so deeply specific in a while, this is a great video

j. winters (josh), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 18:06 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I have feelings about this video. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but if I am, I don't want to be right.

(Love/partnership/etc looks appealing from afar, then when you see it on full display you realize how absurd and ridiculous it is.)

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 14 April 2016 01:32 (five years ago) link

I'm still working out how I feel about the production but, yeah, good tune. It clicks better for me without the video but I'm weird like that. It's funny: in my head, she is the singer for Voice Coils first and foremost. The solo work seems on paper like something that I would write off as retro-90s alt-rock meh but her voice and melodies can make it connect.

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 April 2016 01:57 (five years ago) link

Putting it on for the fourth time.

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 April 2016 01:59 (five years ago) link

Sixth.

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 April 2016 02:23 (five years ago) link

It is super addictive, yeah.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 14 April 2016 02:28 (five years ago) link

<i>It's funny: in my head, she is the singer for Voice Coils first and foremost. </i>

this is so goofy to me; I didn't know anyone had ever seen Voice Coils

How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:15 (five years ago) link

Haven't seen the video yet but the song does that thing where the first chorus is the best thing ever, then the second chorus comes in really quickly and it's twice as good as the first chorus. These are all the feels post-metal was going for, packed into three minutes and intensified

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:22 (five years ago) link

shes no longer in voice coils ftr

pre millennial tension (uptown churl), Thursday, 14 April 2016 15:58 (five years ago) link

I haven't seen Voice Coils live if that's what you meant, Jimmy, but they made some of my favourite rock music from the last couple of years.

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:01 (five years ago) link

I mean, I recognize that more people are probably familiar with her indie singer-songwriter work than with the glorious prog of Voice Coils. That's why it's funny.

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:04 (five years ago) link

ya i think we approach this funny in the same way but from opposite ends lulz

How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:55 (five years ago) link

Still pissed her UK date sold out in basically seconds

And the cry rang out all o'er the town / Good Heavens! Tay is down (imago), Thursday, 14 April 2016 17:45 (five years ago) link

guess she's more popular overseas; still tix available for the show in my town.

def agree w/ brad's comment upthread that she's v funny.

dc, Thursday, 14 April 2016 18:02 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I have feelings about this video. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but if I am, I don't want to be right.

(Love/partnership/etc looks appealing from afar, then when you see it on full display you realize how absurd and ridiculous it is.)

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:32 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

don't forget the racial aspect

, Friday, 15 April 2016 11:12 (five years ago) link

The racial aspect seems like the key element in it (I saw a story online where she acknowledges this). Japanese woman spurned by clean-cut white American boy who first leads her on

curmudgeon, Friday, 15 April 2016 14:19 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I picked up on that too after I read the story, but initially I thought she really captured and condensed the timeline of "this person I like likes me" -> "oh no, this person is with someone else now" -> "look at those assholes!"

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 15 April 2016 14:27 (five years ago) link

lol I guess that's a difference between you and me in that that's literally the first thing i noticed 10 seconds in

, Friday, 15 April 2016 14:49 (five years ago) link

don't forget the racial aspect

― 龜, Friday, April 15, 2016 4:12 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

j. winters (josh), Friday, 15 April 2016 19:33 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I love the sound of that sax.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 15:16 (five years ago) link

shove off radiohead, this is more like it

the ending is the most wonderfully antisocial thing i've heard all year <3

this album's going to be great

ufo, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 15:56 (five years ago) link

:'D

propaganda for the American springtime (tangenttangent), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 16:19 (five years ago) link

this is so good

also possible to relate to a song while realizing that it is objectively bad, which is where some of people's "guilty pleasures" probably come from

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 21:06 (three years ago) link

That NPR article's pretty harsh on Lena Dunham, lol

a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 21:16 (three years ago) link

xxp yes

xp "guilty pleasure" is a wack concept, there is no "objectively bad" art

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 21:27 (three years ago) link

I just meant people's conception of a "guilty pleasure" which is a concept that I think we can all agree exists in the world for some people

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:05 (three years ago) link

as far as "objectively bad" art I was referring to relating to a song while also as a critic finding it to be a bad song, which I thought was what I was supposed to do

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:05 (three years ago) link

sure, it'd still be subjectively bad

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:06 (three years ago) link

I really did miss the nitpicking of semantics

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:09 (three years ago) link

it's an essential ingredient in this glorious stew

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:19 (three years ago) link

That NPR article's pretty harsh on Lena Dunham, lol

― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 21:16 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i haven't read it but it isn't harsh enough

imago, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:22 (three years ago) link

Iggy Pop has called Mitski "the most advanced American songwriter,"

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:22 (three years ago) link

why on earth ppl are dealing with guy above as if he’s arguing in good faith after the kurt cobain drop is beyond me

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:24 (three years ago) link

lena dunham's alright

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:26 (three years ago) link

Lena Dunham is awful

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:29 (three years ago) link

i mean she’s pretty talented but she’s awful

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:29 (three years ago) link

I was just talking about the "relating to" thing since it just seems like such a core way to have an emotional response to music, which is part of what is music is for, and also seems to be the source of Mitski's appeal for a lot of the people who love her

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:30 (three years ago) link

she takes a lot of risks and they don't all pay off. in her show, in her public statements, etc.

i find her almost tragic bc she wants to be woke so bad but she will always be problematic.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:31 (three years ago) link

lena not mitski. wrong thread

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:31 (three years ago) link

i feel that mitski repels identification as much as she invites it. there is an edge to some of these songs that suggests a frightening darkness you, the listener, don't really want to get sucked into. imago used the word "dysphoria" to describe the mood of some of these songs and i think that's right.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:34 (three years ago) link

sometimes it's just subtle shifts in the lyrics that throw you slightly off. like in fireworks, on first brush, is a song about someone who goes numb due to depression but then--apparently--has a cathartic moment brought on by fireworks. but if look closer it's not really that at all. she says "i'll listen to the memories as they cry, cry, cry." she's not crying--it's like the alienation is complete, right here at the moment when it was supposed to fall away . i feel there are other twists like this throughout her oeuvre.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:38 (three years ago) link

Maybe that is what people identify with. I recognized the feeling that caused her to write it that way—her being outside her own memories.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:43 (three years ago) link

i relate extremely closely to her timbral and melodic choices

imago, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 23:58 (three years ago) link

I think that's what I said?

Fwiw, I still think "I don't get 'relating' to lyrics. They're someone else's stories" is different from "it is possible to relate to someone else's stories" but those explanations were great, thanks to you and Brad.

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:33 (three years ago) link

the thread just seemed to have settled on a consensus of "relating to songs is fake/is annoying/is bad criticism/see even Welles said so," which wipes out a good 75% of my method of and pleasure/catharsis in listening to music

(like anything else "relatability" is a tool and songwriters can wield it in different ways. the example that comes to mind is St. Vincent singing through gritted teeth "I am a lot like you, I am alone like you" in a song directed at audiences -- she also calls herself "(their) casualty." the mitski record doesn't weaponize this so much, but its directness in lyrics definitely seems written with that in mind. of course, to relate to, say, "I'm not wearing my usual lipstick" you need to be the sort of person who has a usual lipstick)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 12:57 (three years ago) link

I appreciated your posts.

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 13:04 (three years ago) link

Art enables us to experience the world in new ways, and one way lyrical art does so is by describing, in a glimpse, the experience of being another person. I can see many reasons why people would want to avoid that experience, but for me it's a fundamental reason to keep listening to lyrical music.

droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 13:08 (three years ago) link

that is not the consensus this thread came to but fine

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 13:12 (three years ago) link

i think the point me and alfred were making is that not relating to mistki songs isn't an obstacle to enjoying her music. we were primarily reacting to a series of very bad posts. we weren't trying to be prescriptive about anyone else's approach to music

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 13:14 (three years ago) link

any good resonant art imo we should see a wider picture than just ourselves in, and anytime as a critic my first reaction is "i relate to this" i work v hard to get outside of it bc it seems a v solipsistic relationship to have with art and that it doesn't necessarily inform anybody else of why that art is good

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, October 10, 2018 5:33 AM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like, this is just my approach, it doesn't have to be anyone else's. i just try to keep myself open and available to experiences that are not my own and distrust whenever i like something bc it resembles my experience

also obv i like a ton of music bc i relate to it, and "relate" even seems like an inadequate word at this point; i love death metal bc it sounds like the inside of my head, which is probably a way of relating!

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 13:23 (three years ago) link

apologies, a consensus is just what it had seemed like

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:36 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

Theory: Mitski's father was a CIA operative (from wiki but it's from a guardian interview)

https://i.postimg.cc/zGtcYPWX/mitski.jpg

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 22 February 2019 16:13 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Mitski uses irony in a way that seems unique for a songwriter and very contemporary.

treeship., Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:10 (seven months ago) link

six months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYbXt4_r9Pw

oh this rules but as usual with her stuff i wish it were longer

ufo, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:31 (three weeks ago) link

Wild how the concept of "hits" has been warped by the streaming age -- largely by TikTok, particularly in the alt/indie world. "Your Best American Girl" not currently listed in Mitski's 10 most popular songs page on Spotify, but three songs from her 2013 self-released LP are. pic.twitter.com/SiwXyHCRfy

— Andrew Unterberger (@AUgetoffmygold) October 5, 2021

o. nate, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 20:44 (three weeks ago) link

Thanks 4 heads up on this!

kinder, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 12:19 (three weeks ago) link

"Your Best American Girl" has higher streaming numbers than three songs in that list, though; the thing is that Spotify's Popular lists seem to work on a mix of different criteria.

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 7 October 2021 13:52 (two weeks ago) link

oh this rules but as usual with her stuff i wish it were longer

Agreed that it rules, but I think her economy is one of her greatest strengths.

Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Thursday, 7 October 2021 14:09 (two weeks ago) link

Not sure what criteria are for the Popular list. Maybe it weights more recent streams higher?

o. nate, Thursday, 7 October 2021 15:02 (two weeks ago) link

feel like it bears repeating that this is an exceptional comeback by any metric

imago, Thursday, 7 October 2021 15:30 (two weeks ago) link

wish it was longer? it's 5 minutes long!

alpine static, Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:22 (two weeks ago) link

haha

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:23 (two weeks ago) link

in fact, this is longer than any song on any of her last three albums.

it's 72 seconds longer than the *longest* song (by quite a bit) on Be The Cowboy!

this is looong for Mitski!

alpine static, Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

and now i will listen to it for the first time

alpine static, Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

AW HELL

alpine static, Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:29 (two weeks ago) link

i just looked at the video run time

still, it's like 4 minutes, which is long for her

alpine static, Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

anyway ... my bad everyone. please carry on.

alpine static, Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

If by "like 4 minutes", you mean "2:38", you are OTM. :P xp

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:31 (two weeks ago) link

it's not even 4 minutes

sheesh

someone delete all my posts, plz

alpine static, Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

haha xpost

ok, i will slink away in shame

i'm glad she's back. Be The Cowboy was great and "Your Best American Girl" is an all-timer.

alpine static, Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

to be clear, everyone, the lesson here is: watch the video and listen to the song before you post a bunch of dumb shit. ok now i'm really done.

alpine static, Thursday, 7 October 2021 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

the point is it is good

hey speaking of 2:38 did anyone manage to get tickets to any of the shows for the extremely small amount of time it was possible

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:38 (two weeks ago) link


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