Photek: Classic or Dud?

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Now that drum and bass is thoroughly out of fashion, I think it's time to re-assess one of my fave artists. Amazing beat-chopper or boring wanker? You be the judge. I, for one, really like everything except the last record he put out (Solaris).

Dave M., Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Could have been a classic if someone hadn't told him this so early on. Mind you what I heard of Solaris I really liked.

K-reg, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Bit of both innit? First half of 'Modus Operandi' = absolute classic, brilliant reinterpretation of Detroit techno. Starts to drag a bit towards the end though. Early singles almost all of them classic, esp Rings around Saturn and The Water Margin (his best track IMHO). I thought 'Solaris' was a smart and right move, in the way he moved from technical complexity to restraint. Not a big surprise really as he mentioned from day one he was a house & techno fan. As for Solaris itself, I'm still not sure what to think: it's a bit uneven, all the parts are great to listen to, but they remain that parts. Some really excellent house tracks though. So classic.

Omar, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Very patchy - most ofbthe time too fiddly. Still, one of my favourite techstep choons is the photek one with the sword sounds - called something like 'ich-tech-cha' or something. That's up there with 'Metropolis', 'Shadow Boxing' and 'Mutant Revisited' in my opinion

Robin, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...
Revive cos i have just been listening to Ni-Ten-Ichi-Ryu and 8 years on it's still truly incredible.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

The Water Margin (his best track IMHO)

Yeah, I'd have to agree.

Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link

by a blue mile

Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Omar pretty much otm back in the day there

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link

i think i go for Ni-Ten or UFO or Rings Around Saturn or KJZ or Fusion or T'Raenon or Santiago or Yendi or or or or or...........

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic. Modus Operandi manages to be spacious and claustrophobic all at once. The Zen-est album I know.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Right enough - im not sure if The Water Margin or Fusion is the one i love most - its hard to tell which side is which on the Vinyl.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I felt he was better as a single and EP artist, his albums tended to drag.
At his best, he blew just about everyone away. KJZ is just as astonishing today as it was when I first heard it.
Could have been a classic if someone hadn't told him this so early on
He's the DJ Shadow of dnb, no?

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 6 June 2004 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

i forgot "The Hidden Camera"

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 6 June 2004 23:05 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
in 2004 photek goes techstep jungle

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:14 (fifteen years ago) link

he's playing tonight in chicago

tricky disco (disco stu), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:19 (fifteen years ago) link

um and i can't decide if i should go or not

tricky disco (disco stu), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:19 (fifteen years ago) link

go, he is top of the dubplates chart:
http://www.breakbeat.co.uk/dubplatefocus/

Title: Baltimore
Label: Photek Productions
Artist: Photek

Pounding vintage Bluenote biznizz picked up by Dom & Roland, Tech Itch, Teebee and Friction and all courtesy Photek.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 4 September 2004 01:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Ni-Ten-Ichi-Ryu

I have this track on an MTV drum n bass compilation I inherited, and it's okay. I've had a couple MRI's done and some of the sounds are similar (though I still think the MRI experience is more intense).

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 4 September 2004 02:02 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
just listening to modus and this is kinda boring, esp when he does that modern update of 70s jazz fusion, he turns it into 90s jazz snoozion (see what i did there?!). the techno parts are better, and the drum n bas bits are even better, but this isnt as good as the best bits of timeless. not as exciting or visceral.

lethalfizzle, Saturday, 9 July 2005 09:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Modus Operandi = overlong and EXTREMELY boring (like almost every other 96-98 dnb record.) The 30 minute EP I remember as being pretty good, but I've not listened to it in ages. Either way, yeah, Photek's best moments

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link

"rings around saturn" was great, but mostly due to the pharaoh sanders sample

Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link

hmmm i think modus operandi is much more visceral than timeless! its nothng but piles of asian drums on top of one another. nothing to do but twitch like a jellyfish on a butcher block. i defn think it could've been mastered louder (i think i complain about this on another thread).

photek = sort of underrated at this point. remember, for a while he was pretty much the only person not using a palette of straight amen and think breaks.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link

as i grow older his tracks with robert owens sounds better and better.

pale scrawny white guys are always always always classic

harshaw (jube), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

remember, for a while he was pretty much the only person not using a palette of straight amen and think breaks.

Hahaha this might be why people aren't holding him in higher esteem.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link

(long xpost to myself)Apparently you can't put a less than sign in html haha. Anyway what I meant to say was Goldie's best moments >>>>>>> Photek's best moments.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

everything he released up to modus is genius

strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

search: studio pressure's "relics"

strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"Hahaha this might be why people aren't holding him in higher esteem."

I think the main reason was that he came off as so dry and serious.

I don't remember "Relics", but "Presha III" and "Jump (MK2)" are both pretty good.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

the big difference between pre-and-post-modus photek is that the "metalheadz scene" wasn't so defined so that you'd get "relics" showing up on cd's like this: http://www.discogs.com/release/126827

strng hlkngtn, Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

modus is great y'all be trippin'

latebloomer: the Clonus Horror (latebloomer), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Classic without reservations. He also does film score work now, he did some pieces in Animatrix, the Italian Job and others.

jeffery (jeffery), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Goldie's best moments >>>>>>> Photek's best moments.

Goldie's best moments often = Rob Playford's best moments. Whereas Photek's best moments = Rupert Parkes imagination.

jeffery (jeffery), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know if that equation balances.

jeffery (jeffery), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link

"Goldie's best moments often = Rob Playford's best moments."

Yeah yeah yeah and it's all Nico Sykes too and blah blah blah. Maybe Rupert might have benefited from an engineer.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Rupert would have benefited most from tighter deadlines.

jeffery (jeffery), Saturday, 9 July 2005 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

(long xpost to myself)Apparently you can't put a less than sign in html haha. Anyway what I meant to say was Goldie's best moments >>>>>>> Photek's best moments.

wrong and insane

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 9 July 2005 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Modus is still fucking awesome. It's cold and sterile and you're not meant to dance to it and all you're meant to do is succumb to the repetition. It's the SAW II of Jungle, but way emptier, which is the point. Bless Goldie, but he's Fuzzy Felt to Photek's Satin.

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

wait what are goldie's best moments?

oops (Oops), Sunday, 10 July 2005 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"jah the seventh seal" and.... um.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 10 July 2005 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link

...mother

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 10 July 2005 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link

All the early Reinforced Rufige Kru singles, the Metalheadz singles, the good half of Timeless ("This Is A Bad", "Still Life", etc.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 10 July 2005 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link

the hidden camera ep is just fucken killer. modus is a bit of a grey out.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 10 July 2005 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Funnily enough I tend to think that Photek's early stuff is a little bit overrated as well - yeah "Relics" is awesome but then so much of the jungle from that period was. Ironically (as against jed's assessment) most of the Studio Pressure stuff I've heard is just very good amen tracks! In terms of beat programming I'd place that stuff behind 4 Hero, Foul Play, Neil Trix, Dillinja...

A lot of his stuff is fantastic though, yeah. I'd say his golden period was '95-'96 - ie. the golden age of the "Metalheadz" sound but just before Modus Operandi.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 10 July 2005 06:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I always wish he'd done more stuff like "Consciousness" - luscious gentility suddenly spiraling into psychotic beat mayhem. That, Dillinja's "Angels Fell" and Peshay's "The Vocal Tune" form a miniature trio for me - deadly bourgeois vibes...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 10 July 2005 06:22 (fourteen years ago) link

oh well, 4hero's best stuff >>>> everyone else in jungle

strng hlkngtn, Sunday, 10 July 2005 10:22 (fourteen years ago) link

deadly bourgeois vibes...i smell a neighborhoodie!

strng hlkngtn, Sunday, 10 July 2005 10:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Tim, i didn't say anything about Studio Pressure on this thread. FWIW i agree with your assesment of those releases, from what i've heard, but it's a different kettle of fish altogether to my favourite Parkes stuff; not better just more to my taste. lots of depth and space and, most of all lots of emptiness. i love the way the sounds all seem as if they're zooming out of a void.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 10 July 2005 11:13 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

nothng but piles of asian drums on top of one another. nothing to do but twitch like a jellyfish on a butcher block

wow, probably the truest thing i ever said on ilm

some dude called "the law" assembled this all photek 93-97 mix. makes a pretty damn good case for photek's brilliance.

01.. Photek - Third Sequence - Astralwerks [1996]
02.. Studio Pressure - Jump Mk II - Certificate 18 [1993]
03.. Goldie - Still Life (Photek Remix) - Razors Edge [1995]
04.. Studio Pressure - First Sequence - Photek [1994]
05.. The Truper - Vol 1 A - Street Beats [1994]
06.. System X - Mind Games (Dub Mix) - Entity [1994]
07.. Photek - Consciousness - Metalheadz - [1994]
08.. Photek - The Hidden Camera (Static Mix) - Science [1996]
09.. Photek - Ni Ten Ichi Ryu - Science [1997]
10.. Studio Pressure - The Water Margin - Photek - [1995]
11.. Photek - One Nation - Sanctury [1997/2007]
12.. Phaze 1 - Natural - Timeless [1995]
13.. Aquarius - Drift To The Centre - Looking Good [1995]
14.. Code Of Practice - Infiltrate - Certificate 18[1995]
15.. The Truper - Vol 2 B - Street Beats [1994]
16.. The Sentinel - Pulse Of Life - Basement[1994]
17.. Therapy? - Loose (Photek Remix) - A&M [1995]
18.. EZ Rollers - Rolled Into One (Photek Remix) - Moving Shadow [1996]
19.. Everything But The Girl - Single (Photek Remix) - Virgin [1996]
20.. Photek - Rings Around Saturn - Photek [1996]

go geddit here: http://drumandbassmixes.com/thelaw.htm

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

is burial the new photek?

tricky, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:11 (eleven years ago) link

yes ... sort of

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:12 (eleven years ago) link

yes, "UFO" probably deserves some mention here.

tim what do you think of "two masks"? probably my fave source direct track.

just to bring it back to photek - t/s: "two masks" vs "ni ten ichi ryu"

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:32 (eleven years ago) link

fave Source Direct = "The Wedge". i haven't heard "two Masks".

jed_, Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:44 (eleven years ago) link

"the wedge" is by hidden agenda.

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:52 (eleven years ago) link

dope track, though!

moonship journey to baja, Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:52 (eleven years ago) link

:D

jed_, Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:57 (eleven years ago) link

sorry to crash the party kids

am a pensioner punker
thanks for your help

Fer Ark, Sunday, 30 March 2008 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

I like "Two Masks" but think "Black Domina" is a slightly better version of the same thing (both are miles better than "Capital D" or most of Exorcise the Demons. My favourites are "Enemy Lines" and even more so "Computer State", which takes the carefully arranged compulsive fucked-up-ness to its greatest height I think. "Two Masks" verges on fiddly.

Tim F, Sunday, 30 March 2008 06:52 (eleven years ago) link

Kind of odd to think that both Photek and Source Direct, before they established the sound(s) for which they're still known, were making floaty melodic mash-ups for Certificate 18 as Studio Pressure and Sounds of Life respectively. An LTJ Bukem mix I have from 1994 actually transitions from Sounds of Life's "Release The Bells" to Studio Pressure's "Relics". These records have a very similar vibe - actually the entire Bukem mix (on Fantazia Takes You Into The Jungle 2) is like an advert for the early Certificate 18 sound, moreso than the smoother Good Looking blueprint of the same period.

Tim F, Sunday, 30 March 2008 10:22 (eleven years ago) link

Bukem agressively cutting 'Can we change the future' (Sound of life remix) into the preceding track (Funky Technicians' - Airtight) on his Mixmag live mix is up there as one of my favourite d&b moments. I never seem to tire of that transition.

sam500, Sunday, 30 March 2008 13:59 (eleven years ago) link

Here's a Kryptic Mindz and Leon Switch track "Ocean Blue" from their album of last year. The rhythms on this are pretty amazing, if a lot like "Black Domina" or "Two Masks":

http://www.zshare.net/audio/97808377286d72/

Tim F, Sunday, 30 March 2008 22:27 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

Bukem agressively cutting 'Can we change the future' (Sound of life remix) into the preceding track (Funky Technicians' - Airtight) on his Mixmag live mix is up there as one of my favourite d&b moments. I never seem to tire of that transition.

-- sam500

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1vsa6g

sam500, Friday, 8 August 2008 08:21 (eleven years ago) link

Like the housey photek stuff.

I know, right?, Friday, 8 August 2008 11:14 (eleven years ago) link

Solaris never gets the props it deserves. Fuck those spoddy D&B purest wankers.

Discordian, Friday, 8 August 2008 11:39 (eleven years ago) link

yes!

I know, right?, Friday, 8 August 2008 11:46 (eleven years ago) link

erm, "purest wankers". Now there's an image for ya

Discordian, Friday, 8 August 2008 14:02 (eleven years ago) link

it gets the props it deserves for an album with 2 great tracks on it.

jed_, Friday, 8 August 2008 14:12 (eleven years ago) link

I can concede that "Junk" meanders a bit but this is an album that manages to cover all bases and never sounding awkward or disjointed.

I really can't understand what people have against it. The menace of his ealier stuff being stripped away perhaps? Why does it always have to be about dark vibes?

Discordian, Friday, 8 August 2008 14:55 (eleven years ago) link

Some people hate pretty tepid house music (generally) and Robert Owens (specifically) is what they have against it.

Alex in SF, Friday, 8 August 2008 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

Wow I don't remember hearing that LTJ Bukem mix, but I have definitely heard that transition before. Now I have to find that mix to figure out if it was something I may have recorded off the radio in like '97.

rockapads, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

That album is worth it just for Mine To Give

I know, right?, Thursday, 14 August 2008 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

"Goldie's best moments often = Rob Playford's best moments."

Yeah yeah yeah and it's all Nico Sykes too and blah blah blah. Maybe Rupert might have benefited from an engineer.

-- Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:52 (3 years ago) Link

"Goldie's best moments often = Rob Playford's best moments. belong to 4 Hero"

X-101, Thursday, 14 August 2008 16:38 (eleven years ago) link

six months pass...

t'raenon sooooooooooo nice... my least favorite photek record for a long time but i am loving it these days.

DONKEY CANCER in action (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 20 February 2009 14:03 (ten years ago) link

Has this been posted before? All Photek mix courtesy of Bailey on BBC 1xtra. Fine stuff - some of which I'd never even heard before.

http://www.mediafire.com/?yufyqxitmm0

Truper - Volume 2 (Street Beats)
Studio Pressure - Jump Mark 2 (Certificate 18 Records)
System X - Mind Games (3 rd Eye)
Aquarius - Drift To The Centre (Looking Good)
Studio Pressure - Fusion (photek)
Aquarius - Dolphin Tune (Good Looking)
photek - Rings Around Saturn (photek)
photek - Say It (Prototype)
photek - Consciousness (Metalheadz)
Studio Pressure - Water Margin (photek)
photek - One Nation (Prototype)
photek - Seventh Samurai (photek)
photek - Still Life (Remix) (Razors Edge)
photek - Ni-Ten-Ichi-Ryu (Science)
photek - Knite Vision (Science)
photek - Something Else (Bleeps Tune) (photek Recordings)
photek - Tuesday (Dub)
Inta Warriors - Inta (Special Forces Remix) (Prototype)
photek - Aleph 1 (Science)

sam500, Monday, 23 February 2009 05:50 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...

huh, I am really enjoying Solaris

it only took 13 years for me to get to this point

AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 19:46 (six years ago) link

I know the best little Vietnamese cybercafe...

how's life, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:05 (six years ago) link

i haven't felt like listening to Solaris since it came out

Koné 2013 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:08 (six years ago) link

I only played it because I remember the overall reaction to it being similar to the backlash reaction to RAM; unsurprisingly I am enjoying it a lot more than RAM so maybe I'll be in the mood to really dig that album in 2026

AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:15 (six years ago) link

Why did you check it out (at the time and now) Dan I thought you disliked Photek?

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:12 (six years ago) link

What? I loved Photek up until Solaris came out; I bought "The Hidden Camera", "Ni-Ten-Ichi-Ryu", Modus Operandi and Form and Function when they were released. I think you are confusing me with someone else?

AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:17 (six years ago) link

i dug it out, it's better than i remembered. it's weirdly all over the place tho.

Koné 2013 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:17 (six years ago) link

the main reason I was not into Solaris was because I was so into the doomy drum n bass stuff he'd been doing before and was not at all in the mood to hear his take on loungy progressive house music

AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:21 (six years ago) link

Okay must be confusing you with someone else from back in the old days.

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:25 (six years ago) link

i've still never heard this because i loooooved photek and haaaaated house music at the time.

precious bonsai children of new york (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:27 (six years ago) link

I haven't talked about Photek all that much here, I admit, but I am pretty sure he was among the names I would regularly drop on a.m.a as someone I loved (I'm sure I talked about Squarepusher more, though)

AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:28 (six years ago) link

Yeah one of the old regulars used to complain that i'd put them onto Photek with a description that sounded more exciting than the music actually was and I was like I mostly preferred Source Direct anyway.

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:30 (six years ago) link

haha OTM re: Source Direct

AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:30 (six years ago) link

Brilliant! He's such a lad/geezer/geek.

Never really stopped listening to KJZ and Mine to give since they came out, 17 and 13 years ago. Wowsers!

inventionsforjohn, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 00:03 (six years ago) link

Really wish there was a 10 minute version of the track Solaris.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV1MoazXFNM

I think my favourite Photek aliases are Studio Pressure for the smoother stuff and Truper for the all-out layered chopped Amen/Helicopter assaults.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 00:27 (six years ago) link

fitting that the Photek doc clip there starts out like a car commercial

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 00:45 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

"Knightvision" aside (it's just okay in a moody 1998 2-step dancing thinkpiece kind of way) the "originals" half of Form & Function is pretty much unf***withable, amirite?

Esp the "Rings of Saturn" --> "The Water Margin" --> "UFO" final victory lap stretch.

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:29 (four years ago) link

yes sir

tho i pretty much love all of F&F tbh

Chimp Arsons, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:55 (four years ago) link

Oh yeah the remixes are mostly fantastic too.

I was just thinking in the context of the discussion upthread, if someone wanted to "get" Photek, listening to the back half of Form & Function would be a much better option than listening to Modus Operandi (though I like MO too).

Tim F, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:07 (four years ago) link

yes, forever. F&F was the only Photek record i owned and i listened to it to death. still sounds amazing.

festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:10 (four years ago) link

was just bumping MO like 30 mins ago

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:10 (four years ago) link

watch straight ahead off my flashlight ... there it is again

the late great, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:39 (four years ago) link

watch straight ahead off my flashlight ... there it is again

Classic. If for that alone. It spookily moves me ,everytime

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 23:29 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

THIS TUNE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAZmerb5gS4

Should get around to a Photek POX.

Tim F, Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:33 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

Tentatively scribbled this ten down a while back.

Aquarius - Drift To The Centre
Studio Pressure - The Water Margin
Photek - Complex
The Sentinel - TouléPleu
The Truper - Volume 3 B
Photek - Rings Around Saturn
Photek - The Hidden Camera
Photek - UFO
Aquarius & Tayla - Soul Searching
Photek - Consciousness

Thank You (Fattekin Mice Elf Control Again) (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 10:44 (one week ago) link

God how I love Photek

Goose Witherspeen (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 13:31 (one week ago) link


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