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This guy is having an incredible year. Shyne Coldchain Vol. 2 is my favorite mixtape of the year so far, and his debut EP for Def Jam, Hell Can Wait, is tentatively scheduled for a Sept. 23 release.

First single goes for the 1988 jugular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJLfCBBcZAo

And "Hands Up," the follow-up track that leaked today, is really powerful (Def Jam pulled this morning's stream, but an official one should be coming soon):

http://www.djbooth.net/index/tracks/review/vince-staples-hands-up

Also I love the story telling on this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZIdVsHpCvw&index=7&list=PLhak8UpIKsqU6yJaSdaSZwclm5aLYliQM

Evan R, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:45 (three years ago) Permalink

I listened to "Blue Suede" like five times in a row one day last week.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:58 (three years ago) Permalink

yea i like this guy. he came across p smart in that p4k interview piece last week

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:58 (three years ago) Permalink

"Hands Up" is streaming on Spotify; what a track:

http://open.spotify.com/track/1Ajp50IXWne7XVlH1zAktL

Evan R, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:26 (three years ago) Permalink

"Hands Up" is so fucking righteous

Simon H., Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:38 (three years ago) Permalink

I've liked this guy for a while, but he really leveled up with Shyne Coldchain Vol. 2. He's always been a gifted storyteller about his upbringing and background, but on Shyne he broadened his perspective.

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:44 (three years ago) Permalink

His earlier OF verses are fun though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWOLOrlqFD0

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:44 (three years ago) Permalink

I liked some of his OF verses but always wrote him off as a lesser copy of Earl, a Jesse Eisenberg of sorts to Earl's Michael Cera. Shyne Coldchain Vol. 2, to overextend the analogy, felt like his Social Network moment

Evan R, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:50 (three years ago) Permalink

does that mean Tyler is Jonah Hill and "Wolf" is his "The Sitter"?

alpine static, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 19:04 (three years ago) Permalink

oh thank god, thought i was gonna have to start a Vince Staples thread up in here.

Most interesting rapper, with the greatest potential, since I've heard since Danny Brown hit.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 September 2014 02:39 (three years ago) Permalink

I wish I liked the new singles more than I do - the Shyne Coldchain tapes overshadow them.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 September 2014 02:41 (three years ago) Permalink

loooove that shyne coldchain 2 tape

just sayin, Saturday, 20 September 2014 03:21 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Hell Can Wait is good but it feels like a half-measure. Feel like it could have been a great album; instead it's a "digital EP."

Love the singles, though. Along with most of Shyne Coldchain 2 this is some of my fav rap of the year

Evan R, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:15 (three years ago) Permalink

This guy is doing message songs better than just about anybody right now.

Evan R, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:21 (three years ago) Permalink

aaaand... http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19849-vince-staples-hell-can-wait-ep/

is this EP srsly better than Shyne Coldchain? cause that would be something.

alpine static, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:10 (three years ago) Permalink

Very different vibe than Shyne Coldchain; much more militant and inflamed; a little less ruminative. It's awesome but in a different way.

I still think it's three songs short of being a complete artistic statement tho. The brevity works, but I want more.

Evan R, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:23 (three years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Senorita video is pretty great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OAYMMod9Wo&feature=youtu.be

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 15:35 (two years ago) Permalink

good song but sampling Future on the hook of a single in 2015 is a weird worst of both worlds move

some dude, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:12 (two years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

initial impression: album is a masterpiece

Evan R, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:30 (two years ago) Permalink

did it leak???

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:42 (two years ago) Permalink

(i plan fully on buying this one but am v excited for this)

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:43 (two years ago) Permalink

how d'you hear it ?

i like this itw :
http://www.thefader.com/2015/06/09/vince-staples-interview-summertime-06

ANU (sisilafami), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:46 (two years ago) Permalink

I've got a review copy. Kind of threw me at first, since it's not as singles minded as Hell Can Wait, but damn, he's got some jaw-droppers here, one after another for long stretches. It's absolutely incredible.

Evan R, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:52 (two years ago) Permalink

oh mannnnnn

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:11 (two years ago) Permalink

Can't wait for this album

pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:15 (two years ago) Permalink

I don't know as much as I'd like to about the NBA, but I watched all of this just to hear Vince talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkgJxxSH2Yg

pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:19 (two years ago) Permalink

is there stuff that goes even deeper than Hands Up?

the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:20 (two years ago) Permalink

nothing is quite as hard as Hands Up, but there are songs that come close and he sustains that intensity for tracks at a time. Impressive that he pulls of a double album, given how brevity-minded his other projects have been

Evan R, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:37 (two years ago) Permalink

he was good on the nightly show. clever guy.

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:41 (two years ago) Permalink

new one, "get paid" http://vevo.ly/7Nscms

i dig how haunted this sounds

slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:50 (two years ago) Permalink

legitimately havent had as much anticipation for an album in a long-ass time

slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:52 (two years ago) Permalink

Senorita is dope. what's the concern about sampling Future?

alpine static, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:30 (two years ago) Permalink

can't stay up late to listen to the whole thing but went through the first three tracks and wow, norf norf is incredible in particular

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 04:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Yeah, this album is really something.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 22 June 2015 06:02 (two years ago) Permalink

this is awesome

the late great, Monday, 22 June 2015 06:19 (two years ago) Permalink

someone be sure to bump this thread when Vince makes a misstep ... ain't happened yet

alpine static, Monday, 22 June 2015 06:44 (two years ago) Permalink

About halfway through the album, pretty great so far. Señorita sounds even better in context.

thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Monday, 22 June 2015 16:31 (two years ago) Permalink

This is my fav AOTY so far

Evan R, Monday, 22 June 2015 18:47 (two years ago) Permalink

absolutely

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:07 (two years ago) Permalink

the sound is practically skeletal and almost entirely minor key and that works perfectly the whole time w/o ever growing monotonous

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:10 (two years ago) Permalink

you mean I have to stop listening to Miguel

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:13 (two years ago) Permalink

yes alfred, just for an hour.

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:14 (two years ago) Permalink

wildheart is def also gunning for the #1 spot tbf

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:15 (two years ago) Permalink

it's been an incredible year

Evan R, Monday, 22 June 2015 19:20 (two years ago) Permalink

Wow. Miguel and Vince Staples arrive in one day. But yeah, this is great - almost too deep to take in. I like it that he's defined his musical aesthetic so clearly that this isn't a double album grab bag of stuff. It's just one dope track after another where I'm mesmerized by his voice. A little like when I first heard Nas.

paulhw, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 01:58 (two years ago) Permalink

so this is a good album

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 02:06 (two years ago) Permalink

"norf norf" is so fucking great

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:44 (two years ago) Permalink

i'll have to stop listening to this to hear Miguel, not the other way around #priorities

alpine static, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 22:55 (two years ago) Permalink

if this season of true detective was in compton, "dopeman" would be a perfect theme song, so quietly menacing. it's sort of an interstitial more than a full fledged song but I love it

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 23:29 (two years ago) Permalink

i actually dont mind the production so much because its at least original (relative to rap) but i think his rapping is just ok

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 23 June 2017 19:58 (four months ago) Permalink

"Party People"! Whole album's good but that one bangs.

I love that it feels like such a summer album, kind of simmering and hazy.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 24 June 2017 18:16 (four months ago) Permalink

this isn't really taking, still quite impressive but the previous album had higher highs I think

imago, Sunday, 25 June 2017 12:49 (four months ago) Permalink

his opinions about art are some elitist trash fyi

imago, Sunday, 25 June 2017 12:50 (four months ago) Permalink

the rest of the interview is good tho

imago, Sunday, 25 June 2017 13:00 (four months ago) Permalink

I know it's lazy/convenient to lump Vince and Kendrick together, and I love them both, but I'm finding myself favoring Vince in the same way I'm a Grant Hart partisan in Husker Du. I recognize Kendrick is more important, but I like listening to Vince more. (That said, nothing on this album touches "DNA" or "ELEMENT.")

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:26 (four months ago) Permalink

I'd put him below Jay Rock, Ab Soul and Schoolboy Q

even like Warm Brew tbh

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:28 (four months ago) Permalink

his opinions about art are some elitist trash fyi

― imago, Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:50 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao cmon dogg

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:32 (four months ago) Permalink

I know he's fighting against other elitisms but that paragraph about preferring the idea of an elevated refuge for art is a turn-off I have to say

imago, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:35 (four months ago) Permalink

i actually dont mind the production so much because its at least original (relative to rap) but i think his rapping is just ok

only two listens into this so I don't have a judgement yet, but I'm kinda shocked by how little focus he puts on rapping here. He sort of disappears into a lot of these songs. On that run from Shyne Coldchain II -> Hell Can Wait -> Summertime '06 I think he was on par with just about anybody else out there, but I don't hear any of that fire here.

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:43 (four months ago) Permalink

I'd put him below Ab Soul

ok this is heretical

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:43 (four months ago) Permalink

I'd put him below Jay Rock, Ab Soul and Schoolboy Q

To each his own. Part of what I like about Vince is his triphop/dubstep shading, which imo sets him apart from the Black Hippy pack. But that's not necessarily a plus for everyone.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 15:59 (four months ago) Permalink

I do think Jay Rock has been unfairly slept on

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:00 (four months ago) Permalink

I also love Vince's delivery, but I get how it could be too staccato for some tastes. I like his crispness -- even when he's mumbly, he's precise.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:01 (four months ago) Permalink

He's sharper than Jay Rock, more entertaining than Ab Soul and not miserable like Schoolboy Q

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:11 (four months ago) Permalink

He sort of disappears into a lot of these songs.

I agree with this, like it's cool that the tracks are unpredictable and have a lot happening, but they could use more rapping.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:19 (four months ago) Permalink

m@tt you gotta take ab soul off that list its true.

down that brown path (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:40 (four months ago) Permalink

7/10 UK house album, looking forward to the 'Little Fish Theory' remix album.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 16:58 (four months ago) Permalink

okay ab soul might have been trolling but I'm 100% on Jay Rock and Schoolboy Q that's real talk

Jay Rock 90059 is such a great album, for whatever reason his thing is too normal street to have a media "narrative" but he's a fucking great rapper, I don't think him and Schoolboy Q are really far off Kendrick, they just all have their own things

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:10 (four months ago) Permalink

I think Isaiah Rashad suffers from the same problem to an extent

Number None, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:53 (four months ago) Permalink

this does make me appreciate the azealia banks album more in retrospect

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:06 (four months ago) Permalink

agree w. matt, btw, and isaiah rashad is better than vince too imo

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:07 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah parts of this remind me of Azealia but that isn't a bad thing imo. Her actual music is not the problem with AB.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:28 (four months ago) Permalink

I agree with this, like it's cool that the tracks are unpredictable and have a lot happening, but they could use more rapping.

― change display name (Jordan),

otm. A pleasure to listen to, though, especially at night when I don't have to concentrate on the rapping

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:30 (four months ago) Permalink

this does make me appreciate the azealia banks album more in retrospect

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:06 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol true.

down that brown path (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:11 (four months ago) Permalink

hate everything about this record

r|t|c, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:28 (four months ago) Permalink

yeh im not a fan. might hate it more than the ep.

down that brown path (Spottie), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:40 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm kinda shocked by how little focus he puts on rapping here. He sort of disappears into a lot of these songs.

It's not exactly that he lacks presence, it's just the wrong kind of presence for these beats. Also SOPHIE can gtf.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:44 (four months ago) Permalink

i liked many songs off summertime, i like a few here, but man he needs how to write a fuckin song

nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:58 (four months ago) Permalink

*needs to learn how

nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:58 (four months ago) Permalink

The grey-scale minimalism worked perfectly for him on Summertime, but no need to do it again I guess. I'd love to hear Ka produce a whole record for him though.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:21 (four months ago) Permalink

I love Ka but I can't imagine Vince on those near-ambient type beats

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:24 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah if anything his best tracks are the loud busy ones, "Hands Up" "Blue Suede" "Norf Norf"

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:36 (four months ago) Permalink

Norf Norf and Blue Suede are really minimal too though (but in a normal drums + 808 + synth line way)

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 21:55 (four months ago) Permalink

The "I ain't run from nuthin' but The police" and those Joy Division synths are what I remember about "Norf Norf."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:02 (four months ago) Permalink

http://pigeonsandplanes.com/in-depth/2017/06/vince-staples-big-fish-theory-producer-interview

When you're a producer and someone asks you for beats, you think, "Okay, let me think about their last record.” So I sent some beats that reminded me of Summertime '06 that were kind of "Vince Staples type beats" (laughs). But then I realized that wasn’t what he was looking for from me. He really didn't want me to project any sort of idea about what he might want.

So, then I started going over and hanging out with him at Ty's house and played beats for him—going to the weirdest ones that I thought he wouldn’t like. And he kept saying, "Yeah, go in that direction." One of those was the beat that became "Crabs In a Bucket," which was kind of my take on UK garage with swing drums. Around September of last year, I realized that was the sound he was listening to. He was listening to Detroit music and house music and just electronic music of all kinds.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:51 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah that's the thing, this is obviously the album he wanted to make. It's not like it's Vince Staples rapping plus some other music, it's all Vince Staples music.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:16 (four months ago) Permalink

production sounds hella metallic on my headphones, kinda harsh

j., Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:42 (four months ago) Permalink

i like Vince but my friend said he sounded like Siri and that made me lol

Unchanging Window (Ross), Thursday, 29 June 2017 05:26 (four months ago) Permalink

I really like the back third, like from Homage on.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Vince on Hot 97 w/Ebro

Probably the best interview with a rapper I've seen in forever, starts with Rosenberg trying to goad him into shitting on Tyga, then Vince completely in a very real and human way cuts through all that shit, calling him out without causing a beef, and then really gets into his life and the industry and analyzing the media in a very brilliant way. highly recommended

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMS9J26kctI

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:06 (four months ago) Permalink

Vince seems to usually be the smartest guy in any room he's in. for that reason alone i'ma trust his re-direction on Big Fish Theory

alpine static, Thursday, 29 June 2017 17:58 (four months ago) Permalink

i enjoy this album for the most part, but i wish vince would attack the beat a little bit more, instead of the weirdly passive approach he takes on this album. he seems much less confident than usual, maybe because of the unfamiliar musical surroundings.

when kendrick pops up for his verse on yeah right, it's such a burst of energy and a major contrast to vince's approach throughout the album

black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:20 (four months ago) Permalink

Finally circling back to this to see if my initial "oh my god" reaction was a fluke

It wasn't; I am not sure what everyone who hates/dislikes this is reacting against.

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:02 (four months ago) Permalink

I think I get it (the ratio of rapping:not-rapping is unusual for what is ostensibly a rap record, especially a relatively short one; the beats are unorthodox in a possibly "dated" way; etc.) but I also think those are p dumb and unimaginative criticisms

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:15 (four months ago) Permalink

I think I also hear what people are saying about him not being in MC "attack mode" or whatever but again I'm not sure it's really a problem against these beats (apologies if I am strawmanning anyone's complaints)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:20 (four months ago) Permalink

It's funny that people think the beats are dated because, (I'm guessing?) the whole 2-step rhythms/Disclosure thing was like 2013? But I think texturally they're really forward-thinking in like a Flume/PC Music/FlyLo kind of way? Like trying to anticipate where beats are headed in the same way that, like, Charli XCX's recent stuff is. Remove a little of the rhythm and the Sophie stuff is not too far from what, like, Chino Amobi or Oneohtrix Point Never or w/e is doing

Sutcliffe Juugin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:27 (four months ago) Permalink

There's really only one part that sounds 2-steppy. And knowing that Seckoff is an L.A. beat scene kid who went to London and got interested in UK club music, the sound makes a lot of sense.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:30 (four months ago) Permalink

i liked many songs off summertime, i like a few here, but man he needs how to write a fuckin song

― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:58 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*needs to learn how

― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:58 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this has stuck in my head, I don't think its true, & even if it may be it doesn't really matter

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:15 (four months ago) Permalink

the beats sound super-modern to me.

billstevejim, Saturday, 15 July 2017 05:46 (four months ago) Permalink


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