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This guy is having an incredible year. Shyne Coldchain Vol. 2 is my favorite mixtape of the year so far, and his debut EP for Def Jam, Hell Can Wait, is tentatively scheduled for a Sept. 23 release.

First single goes for the 1988 jugular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJLfCBBcZAo

And "Hands Up," the follow-up track that leaked today, is really powerful (Def Jam pulled this morning's stream, but an official one should be coming soon):

http://www.djbooth.net/index/tracks/review/vince-staples-hands-up

Also I love the story telling on this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZIdVsHpCvw&index=7&list=PLhak8UpIKsqU6yJaSdaSZwclm5aLYliQM

Evan R, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:45 (six years ago) link

I listened to "Blue Suede" like five times in a row one day last week.

Immediate Follower (NA), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:58 (six years ago) link

yea i like this guy. he came across p smart in that p4k interview piece last week

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:58 (six years ago) link

"Hands Up" is streaming on Spotify; what a track:

http://open.spotify.com/track/1Ajp50IXWne7XVlH1zAktL

Evan R, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:26 (six years ago) link

"Hands Up" is so fucking righteous

Simon H., Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:38 (six years ago) link

I've liked this guy for a while, but he really leveled up with Shyne Coldchain Vol. 2. He's always been a gifted storyteller about his upbringing and background, but on Shyne he broadened his perspective.

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:44 (six years ago) link

His earlier OF verses are fun though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWOLOrlqFD0

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:44 (six years ago) link

I liked some of his OF verses but always wrote him off as a lesser copy of Earl, a Jesse Eisenberg of sorts to Earl's Michael Cera. Shyne Coldchain Vol. 2, to overextend the analogy, felt like his Social Network moment

Evan R, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 18:50 (six years ago) link

does that mean Tyler is Jonah Hill and "Wolf" is his "The Sitter"?

alpine static, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 19:04 (six years ago) link

oh thank god, thought i was gonna have to start a Vince Staples thread up in here.

Most interesting rapper, with the greatest potential, since I've heard since Danny Brown hit.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 September 2014 02:39 (six years ago) link

I wish I liked the new singles more than I do - the Shyne Coldchain tapes overshadow them.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 September 2014 02:41 (six years ago) link

loooove that shyne coldchain 2 tape

just sayin, Saturday, 20 September 2014 03:21 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Hell Can Wait is good but it feels like a half-measure. Feel like it could have been a great album; instead it's a "digital EP."

Love the singles, though. Along with most of Shyne Coldchain 2 this is some of my fav rap of the year

Evan R, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:15 (six years ago) link

This guy is doing message songs better than just about anybody right now.

Evan R, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 20:21 (six years ago) link

aaaand... http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19849-vince-staples-hell-can-wait-ep/

is this EP srsly better than Shyne Coldchain? cause that would be something.

alpine static, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:10 (six years ago) link

Very different vibe than Shyne Coldchain; much more militant and inflamed; a little less ruminative. It's awesome but in a different way.

I still think it's three songs short of being a complete artistic statement tho. The brevity works, but I want more.

Evan R, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:23 (six years ago) link

six months pass...

Senorita video is pretty great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OAYMMod9Wo&feature=youtu.be

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 15:35 (six years ago) link

good song but sampling Future on the hook of a single in 2015 is a weird worst of both worlds move

some dude, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:12 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...

initial impression: album is a masterpiece

Evan R, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:30 (six years ago) link

did it leak???

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:42 (six years ago) link

(i plan fully on buying this one but am v excited for this)

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:43 (six years ago) link

how d'you hear it ?

i like this itw :
http://www.thefader.com/2015/06/09/vince-staples-interview-summertime-06

ANU (sisilafami), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:46 (six years ago) link

I've got a review copy. Kind of threw me at first, since it's not as singles minded as Hell Can Wait, but damn, he's got some jaw-droppers here, one after another for long stretches. It's absolutely incredible.

Evan R, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:52 (six years ago) link

oh mannnnnn

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:11 (six years ago) link

Can't wait for this album

pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:15 (six years ago) link

I don't know as much as I'd like to about the NBA, but I watched all of this just to hear Vince talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkgJxxSH2Yg

pophatte (admrl), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:19 (six years ago) link

is there stuff that goes even deeper than Hands Up?

the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 21:20 (six years ago) link

nothing is quite as hard as Hands Up, but there are songs that come close and he sustains that intensity for tracks at a time. Impressive that he pulls of a double album, given how brevity-minded his other projects have been

Evan R, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:37 (six years ago) link

he was good on the nightly show. clever guy.

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 June 2015 19:41 (six years ago) link

new one, "get paid" http://vevo.ly/7Nscms

i dig how haunted this sounds

slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:50 (six years ago) link

legitimately havent had as much anticipation for an album in a long-ass time

slothroprhymes, Monday, 15 June 2015 19:52 (six years ago) link

Senorita is dope. what's the concern about sampling Future?

alpine static, Monday, 15 June 2015 20:30 (six years ago) link

can't stay up late to listen to the whole thing but went through the first three tracks and wow, norf norf is incredible in particular

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 04:02 (six years ago) link

Yeah, this album is really something.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 22 June 2015 06:02 (six years ago) link

this is awesome

the late great, Monday, 22 June 2015 06:19 (six years ago) link

someone be sure to bump this thread when Vince makes a misstep ... ain't happened yet

alpine static, Monday, 22 June 2015 06:44 (six years ago) link

About halfway through the album, pretty great so far. Señorita sounds even better in context.

thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Monday, 22 June 2015 16:31 (six years ago) link

This is my fav AOTY so far

Evan R, Monday, 22 June 2015 18:47 (six years ago) link

absolutely

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:07 (six years ago) link

the sound is practically skeletal and almost entirely minor key and that works perfectly the whole time w/o ever growing monotonous

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:10 (six years ago) link

you mean I have to stop listening to Miguel

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:13 (six years ago) link

yes alfred, just for an hour.

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:14 (six years ago) link

wildheart is def also gunning for the #1 spot tbf

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 19:15 (six years ago) link

it's been an incredible year

Evan R, Monday, 22 June 2015 19:20 (six years ago) link

Wow. Miguel and Vince Staples arrive in one day. But yeah, this is great - almost too deep to take in. I like it that he's defined his musical aesthetic so clearly that this isn't a double album grab bag of stuff. It's just one dope track after another where I'm mesmerized by his voice. A little like when I first heard Nas.

paulhw, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 01:58 (six years ago) link

so this is a good album

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 02:06 (six years ago) link

"norf norf" is so fucking great

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:44 (six years ago) link

i'll have to stop listening to this to hear Miguel, not the other way around #priorities

alpine static, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 22:55 (six years ago) link

if this season of true detective was in compton, "dopeman" would be a perfect theme song, so quietly menacing. it's sort of an interstitial more than a full fledged song but I love it

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 23:29 (six years ago) link

yeah if anything his best tracks are the loud busy ones, "Hands Up" "Blue Suede" "Norf Norf"

Evan R, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:36 (four years ago) link

Norf Norf and Blue Suede are really minimal too though (but in a normal drums + 808 + synth line way)

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 21:55 (four years ago) link

The "I ain't run from nuthin' but The police" and those Joy Division synths are what I remember about "Norf Norf."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:02 (four years ago) link

http://pigeonsandplanes.com/in-depth/2017/06/vince-staples-big-fish-theory-producer-interview

When you're a producer and someone asks you for beats, you think, "Okay, let me think about their last record.” So I sent some beats that reminded me of Summertime '06 that were kind of "Vince Staples type beats" (laughs). But then I realized that wasn’t what he was looking for from me. He really didn't want me to project any sort of idea about what he might want.

So, then I started going over and hanging out with him at Ty's house and played beats for him—going to the weirdest ones that I thought he wouldn’t like. And he kept saying, "Yeah, go in that direction." One of those was the beat that became "Crabs In a Bucket," which was kind of my take on UK garage with swing drums. Around September of last year, I realized that was the sound he was listening to. He was listening to Detroit music and house music and just electronic music of all kinds.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:51 (four years ago) link

Yeah that's the thing, this is obviously the album he wanted to make. It's not like it's Vince Staples rapping plus some other music, it's all Vince Staples music.

production sounds hella metallic on my headphones, kinda harsh

j., Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:42 (four years ago) link

i like Vince but my friend said he sounded like Siri and that made me lol

Unchanging Window (Ross), Thursday, 29 June 2017 05:26 (four years ago) link

I really like the back third, like from Homage on.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:27 (four years ago) link

Vince on Hot 97 w/Ebro

Probably the best interview with a rapper I've seen in forever, starts with Rosenberg trying to goad him into shitting on Tyga, then Vince completely in a very real and human way cuts through all that shit, calling him out without causing a beef, and then really gets into his life and the industry and analyzing the media in a very brilliant way. highly recommended

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMS9J26kctI

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:06 (four years ago) link

Vince seems to usually be the smartest guy in any room he's in. for that reason alone i'ma trust his re-direction on Big Fish Theory

alpine static, Thursday, 29 June 2017 17:58 (four years ago) link

i enjoy this album for the most part, but i wish vince would attack the beat a little bit more, instead of the weirdly passive approach he takes on this album. he seems much less confident than usual, maybe because of the unfamiliar musical surroundings.

when kendrick pops up for his verse on yeah right, it's such a burst of energy and a major contrast to vince's approach throughout the album

black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Thursday, 29 June 2017 18:20 (four years ago) link

Finally circling back to this to see if my initial "oh my god" reaction was a fluke

It wasn't; I am not sure what everyone who hates/dislikes this is reacting against.

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:02 (four years ago) link

I think I get it (the ratio of rapping:not-rapping is unusual for what is ostensibly a rap record, especially a relatively short one; the beats are unorthodox in a possibly "dated" way; etc.) but I also think those are p dumb and unimaginative criticisms

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:15 (four years ago) link

I think I also hear what people are saying about him not being in MC "attack mode" or whatever but again I'm not sure it's really a problem against these beats (apologies if I am strawmanning anyone's complaints)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:20 (four years ago) link

It's funny that people think the beats are dated because, (I'm guessing?) the whole 2-step rhythms/Disclosure thing was like 2013? But I think texturally they're really forward-thinking in like a Flume/PC Music/FlyLo kind of way? Like trying to anticipate where beats are headed in the same way that, like, Charli XCX's recent stuff is. Remove a little of the rhythm and the Sophie stuff is not too far from what, like, Chino Amobi or Oneohtrix Point Never or w/e is doing

Sutcliffe Juugin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:27 (four years ago) link

There's really only one part that sounds 2-steppy. And knowing that Seckoff is an L.A. beat scene kid who went to London and got interested in UK club music, the sound makes a lot of sense.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 29 June 2017 19:30 (four years ago) link

i liked many songs off summertime, i like a few here, but man he needs how to write a fuckin song

― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:58 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*needs to learn how

― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, June 28, 2017 3:58 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this has stuck in my head, I don't think its true, & even if it may be it doesn't really matter

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 12:15 (four years ago) link

the beats sound super-modern to me.

billstevejim, Saturday, 15 July 2017 05:46 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...

watched vince's first weekend coachella set and it was great

as a bonus, he gave us this interview
http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/vince-staples-calls-out-r-kelly-during-coachella-interview.html

mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:46 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

new album out tonight apparently

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 15:14 (two years ago) link

prediction: worse than the last one

imago, Thursday, 1 November 2018 15:21 (two years ago) link

nah i have high hopes, kenny beats production is a good sign

devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 15:59 (two years ago) link

I like the album cover

josh az (2011nostalgia), Thursday, 1 November 2018 16:23 (two years ago) link

last one felt like a misstep rather than a falling off, at least i hope i'm right.

devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:37 (two years ago) link

I like the last one a lot.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:42 (two years ago) link

didn't hate it but none of it was as indelible as most of Summertime '06

devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:58 (two years ago) link

apparently this new one is more of a stopgap / EP type deal.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 19:43 (two years ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM!

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 19:44 (two years ago) link

no static at alllll

fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:55 (two years ago) link

"Fun!" features additional vocals by E-40

fuck yeah

devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:58 (two years ago) link

they already collabed on a (kinda irritating, tbh) song earlier this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iWJT9iUZKA

fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:59 (two years ago) link

I don't really know Kenny Beats but I love that VS is sticking with a single producer (or very few) per record, I trust his aesthetic sense.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:07 (two years ago) link

xp yeah the new one was a bit staid, 40 on a staples song a much more exciting prospect to me atm

devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:09 (two years ago) link

im interested in hearing what Kenny has cooked up for Vince, he's a versatile guy who can work in many modes. He's all over the Rico Nasty album, he's done things for TDE, he's capable of doing dirty south things for guys like Key! and YoungBoy. Hard to pin down.

fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:13 (two years ago) link

the same guy who made this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D4happ4TQU

made this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWQFpLuOzkY

fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:16 (two years ago) link

and this (gonna stop spamming a single artist thread with unrelated embeds now): https://youtu.be/VvsYa9hcFH0

fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:17 (two years ago) link

listening now, very good so far. a lot more dynamic, less imposing than big fish theory

devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 22:52 (two years ago) link

beats are great

devvvine, Thursday, 1 November 2018 22:52 (two years ago) link

as far as sub 25 minute 2018 rap albums go: Vince >>> Pusha

devvvine, Friday, 9 November 2018 16:04 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

New album????

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 19:57 (three weeks ago) link

it's just ok, imo

bart harley-jarvis cocker (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 20:00 (three weeks ago) link

same but i need to give it another listen

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 20:58 (three weeks ago) link

seemed a little dispiriting in a way
i was excited because i generally love kenny beats

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 21:34 (three weeks ago) link

"dispiriting" has been my general feeling re his last few releases. I don't detect a lot of enjoyment.

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 21:52 (three weeks ago) link

ever since he started spouting landlord shit about art his music went bad tbh

imago, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 22:06 (three weeks ago) link

landlord shit?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 22:52 (three weeks ago) link

I like this album a lot

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 02:10 (two weeks ago) link

Gave this a cursory listen. Beats sound like trap by numbers and he sounds like he's rapping while looking at his phone. But I didn't hate it, will give it more of a chance.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 05:10 (two weeks ago) link

Kenny Beats seems like a very nice guy who mostly makes very boring beats. (Except for The Cave episode w/ Freddie Gibbs but that's down to the Lil Sko sample.)

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 06:15 (two weeks ago) link

Really want him to do another album with out there production (for modern rap standards) like on BFT. Really wasn't impressed with the new album besides maybe the first track

ClimbingThieves, Thursday, 15 July 2021 21:15 (two weeks ago) link


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