Rolling Stones' Goats Head Soup - is it underrated because it came after Exile?

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or are there other reasons?

cause it's a great record you know.

nostormo, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:12 (six years ago) link

It's underrated because most of the songs are retreads or suck.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2014 14:15 (six years ago) link

It's one of only two TPL entries that I've done so far where I've very nearly fallen asleep while listening to it. The other was 40 Greatest by Perry Como.

I just heard "Angie" in a Parisian supermarket, seemed about right.

Euler, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:21 (six years ago) link

at least you agree it's underrated...

yeah most songs are retreads but so what?

it's not as good as the Beggars->Exile records but how many records are?

Winter, Star Star, Heartbreaker, 100 Years, Silver Train are all very good.

BTW, isn't Some Girls (which i agree is better) a retread too?

nostormo, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:24 (six years ago) link

Angie suck

nostormo, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:25 (six years ago) link

I can't stand "Heartbreaker" or "Silver Train" or "Angie," in which Jagger makes Bowie sound like a model of emotional transparency. I have no problem calling GHS their worst album of the period.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2014 14:27 (six years ago) link

Better than It's Only Rock and Roll, that's for sure

Iago Galdston, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:29 (six years ago) link

Better than everything until Some Girls.
(and after for that matter)

nostormo, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:30 (six years ago) link

it's the start of the decline, but the landslide is still to come imo

nostormo, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:31 (six years ago) link

Black and Blue, Emotional Rescue, Dirty World – all better than GHS>

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2014 14:33 (six years ago) link

*Dirty Work

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2014 14:33 (six years ago) link

post-'exile' rolling stones POLL (studio albums)

i'm with the ilx consensus...

nostormo, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:33 (six years ago) link

Love "Heartbreaker" -- or rather, "Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)" -- and "Angie." The rest makes me shout at them to wake the fuck up.

The tour was apparently ok, though; that Brussels show the released is nuts, and Taylor's completely raging.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 27 June 2014 14:37 (six years ago) link

*they released

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 27 June 2014 14:38 (six years ago) link

Worth it for "Star Star" alone. As great a throwaway smutty Stones punk joke as "Summer Romance" or "Claudine" with a great ridiculous Jagger vocal in an "southern" accent so eccentric and invented it's practically its own dialect. You-ah-stah-fuckah-stah-fuckah-stah.

Brio2, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:46 (six years ago) link

i'm on the record with my unabashed love for winter. star star's a hoot too. i'd put it on par with emotional rescue and a step up from black and blue and dirty work.

def would be A Return To Form if it came after "only rock'n'roll" and "black and blue" [ignoring for a moment the obvious personnel changes]

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 27 June 2014 14:48 (six years ago) link

relistening to Star Star now: if they picked up the tempo gave it some Some Girls sharpness (like Respectable maybe) and shaved a minute off it, it would be blistering. As is, it's a fun deep cut to sing along to in the car.

Brio2, Friday, 27 June 2014 14:51 (six years ago) link

I enjoy this album a lot: 'Dancing With Mr. D', '100 Years Ago' (love the way it switches through multiple sections), 'Heartbreaker' (those horns!), 'Angie' (of course), and 'Star Star' all being my personal highlights. Love the general vibe of 'Can You Hear The Music Too'. Some of the slower-paced ballads on this could do with a bit of editing, but otherwise no complaints.

this was one of the last stones records i got around to and, having heard so many "underrated" claims over the years, was expecting something decent. but aside from a couple of songs i find most of the album tuneless and boring. it sounds like a collection of half-assed and underwritten b-sides.

sleepingsignal, Friday, 27 June 2014 15:18 (six years ago) link

'Coming Down Again' sounds like it would fit snugly on George Harrison's Extra Texture. It kinda has the same "so laid back it sounds like the artist couldn't give a fuck" vibe to it. Thing is, though, I think it's better than anything off that Harrison LP, apart from 1 or 2 tracks.

It does need at least about a minute and a half to two minutes shaved off it, though.

Love it. Maybe it was the junkie excess at the time it was made but sonically it hits some - I dunno - nice sleazy, funky marks along the way.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 27 June 2014 15:23 (six years ago) link

That's one of the reasons I like the record so much: the vibe. Stones albums have always been an honest reflection of the general mood of the band at the time, and it's something that can't help but show through in the playing.

'Hide Your Love' is definitely my least favourite thing here, though.

I love 100 Years Ago.

voodoo chili, Friday, 27 June 2014 15:46 (six years ago) link

yeah "100 years ago" is my favorite track.

sleepingsignal, Friday, 27 June 2014 23:02 (six years ago) link

i always figured people didn't like this because it feels like it set the template for subsequent shitty stones records, even though it itself is not shitty

schlump, Friday, 27 June 2014 23:05 (six years ago) link

angie rules btw

schlump, Friday, 27 June 2014 23:05 (six years ago) link

horrible album cover, only to be surpassed in short order by it's only rock n roll.

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 28 June 2014 00:44 (six years ago) link

awww i like guy peellaert. i think bowie heard they were using peellaert and got him to do diamond dogs and get it out first(?)

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 28 June 2014 00:47 (six years ago) link

diamond dogs is a good cover.

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 28 June 2014 00:54 (six years ago) link

true, much better than IOR&R

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 28 June 2014 00:59 (six years ago) link

Great album

brimstead, Saturday, 28 June 2014 01:54 (six years ago) link

if they picked up the tempo gave it some Some Girls sharpness (like Respectable maybe) and shaved a minute off it, it would be blistering.

How about shaving off 30 seconds and having Joan Jett sing it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ll6oCWiH7g

Every lyric website has this for the 2nd verse:

Honey, honey, call me on the telephone
I know you're movin' out to Hollywood
With your can of tasty foam

"With your can of tasty foam"?! That can't possibly be right, is it? I always thought it was "Where you can taste the bone."

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 28 June 2014 04:18 (six years ago) link

Side 2 is essentially perfect, and how often can you say that about a record?
I'll go with underrated-shocking to see Xgau prefer It's Only Rock N Roll.

Nostormo, if you haven't heard the Brussels Affair yet, it's tremendous.

campreverb, Saturday, 28 June 2014 18:25 (six years ago) link

Bought it as a kid around the time it came out, lost or destroyed that copy, bought it again a few years ago at a record show. "Coming Down Again" is the only song I have on my hard drive.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 June 2014 18:31 (six years ago) link

there's a lack of arresting instrumental interplay on a bunch of songs on this record. a lot of it just seems flat-footed, which is weird since sticky fingers and exile are such great groove records.

it's still probably better than it's only rock and roll.

I dunno. (amateurist), Sunday, 29 June 2014 04:30 (six years ago) link

That's about right. Although the other one does have "Time Waits For No One," "Fingerprint File" and the cod but catchy reggae of "Luxury."

Riot In #9 Dream (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 June 2014 04:35 (six years ago) link

they kind of sound like (again) flat-footed rolling stones imitators on parts of both LPs. like, oh yeah that def sounds like mick & keith but some essential part of the genetic code is missing.

I dunno. (amateurist), Sunday, 29 June 2014 04:45 (six years ago) link

of course, it's been mostly missing for nearly 30 years by now, too, but in the context of the 1970s...

I dunno. (amateurist), Sunday, 29 June 2014 04:46 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

relistening to Star Star now: if they picked up the tempo gave it some Some Girls sharpness (like Respectable maybe) and shaved a minute off it,

Every single song on this album needs (at least) a minute shaved of it, the thing is 47 minutes minutes long ferchrissakes. Could do with losing the strings too. Nice gtr solo on 'Winter'. There isn't really anything (musically) surprising on this apart from 'Can You Hear the Music' and I'm no great fan of that track.

holger sharkey (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 July 2015 16:48 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

I'm giving this a spin again tonight, and yes, I do truly believe that this record is underrated as a consequence of coming off the back of three of their most astounding records. While it's not a flawless record ('Hide Your Love' is the weak link here, for me) it's not an out-and-out stinker either, and the band would go on to make far, far, far worse records than this IMO. It's easily one of my favourite records they made post-Exile, some beautiful songs on this.

The Dave Grohl of ILX (Turrican), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 19:30 (four years ago) link

It's underrated because it's called Goat's Head Soup.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 19:57 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

oh man, Angie always brings the chills. i don't think it's even one of the Stones' best 50 songs. but still. maybe the tension it generates is due to Jagger's diction being sort of uncomfortable to listen to.

charlie h, Wednesday, 29 November 2017 08:35 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

GHS is the next box set. 4 discs, 3 'unheard songs', out in September, further deets to come

Single: "Criss Cross" Funky!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSpGnZmGWBk

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 9 July 2020 15:51 (two months ago) link

:D

budo jeru, Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:17 (two months ago) link

there’s an old ilm post about black and blue that’s like “its a 70s stones album, we’re good here”, like.. a given 70s stones album may not be on the level of Sticky Fingers, but it’s the 70s stones and just hearing those guys play, recorded in that good ole 70s style, is a fuckin treat.

brimstead, Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:15 (two months ago) link

unlike, say, this album.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:18 (two months ago) link

Brussels Affair fucking rules

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:58 (two months ago) link

Track was named after Page's daughter.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:51 (two months ago) link

who was named in turn after Crowley's many Scarlets

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:55 (two months ago) link

if "Time Waits For No One" is zombie rock then I'm dancing with Mr D

Joey Corona (Euler), Thursday, 23 July 2020 16:05 (two months ago) link

For everybody who wants an extended 'Let It Loose', here's the next best thing - 7 minute long instrumental ballad from Nellcote, courtesy of a Nicky Hopkins worktape:

https://we.tl/t-UBEgmsKtkI

whitehallunity, Thursday, 23 July 2020 16:21 (two months ago) link

let it loose is great at any length

can’t you hear me knocking suffers in that the opening riff is so insanely tasty it’s kinda all downhill from there no matter what

feel like I need a “POX: Keef kicks it off”

tumbling dice duh, but “love is strong” and it’s twin “wicked as it seems” might make that list

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 25 July 2020 15:58 (one month ago) link

what is 'love is strong?'

calstars, Saturday, 25 July 2020 16:25 (one month ago) link

My bad, I don’t know 90s stones

calstars, Saturday, 25 July 2020 17:19 (one month ago) link

idk what it is as a song but it’s a legit great open G riff and some smokin’ harp

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 25 July 2020 17:44 (one month ago) link

It’s got that ‘94 technology aping ‘74 sound

calstars, Saturday, 25 July 2020 18:10 (one month ago) link

Stripped was actually what got me into the Stones, go figure

brimstead, Saturday, 25 July 2020 18:19 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Anyone listen to the bonus material on the new deluxe edition? I'm not exactly a fan of the album - there's only a few tracks that I like - and so far I'm underwhelmed by the outtakes. I'll keep trying with "Criss Cross," "Scarlet" and "All the Rage," they're being hyped as the lost classics. They're okay for outtakes, but I don't feel they're on par with the better cuts from this era.

birdistheword, Friday, 4 September 2020 22:19 (two weeks ago) link

I would love to have that Brussels Affair live disc, but no way am I paying $150 for the super deluxe edition. I'll probably end up grabbing the 2CD version at some point.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 September 2020 22:22 (two weeks ago) link

The War on Drugs mix of Scarlett is horrible and the Jacques le Conte one is kinda good?

29 facepalms, Saturday, 5 September 2020 00:11 (two weeks ago) link

unless I'm reading it wrong, the alternate mix above drops 'Hide Your Love', so I can't get behind it.

campreverb, Saturday, 5 September 2020 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

"Criss Cross" is good.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 September 2020 15:44 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah. Solid video too.

pomenitul, Saturday, 5 September 2020 15:45 (two weeks ago) link

I just listened to this whole thing. I like the new songs just fine but won't return to them much. The first part of the Brussels show was good but older material like "Midnight Rambler" and "You Can't Always Get What You Want" didn't have the punch of the newer material, from Exile & GHS. "Happy" through "Angie" was very good, I can leave the rest.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 5 September 2020 15:54 (two weeks ago) link

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Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 September 2020 15:54 (two weeks ago) link

Goat head CGI looks like it's straight out of original Jumanji

Neanderthal, Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:38 (two weeks ago) link

lmao

brimstead, Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

xxp

brimstead, Sunday, 6 September 2020 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

For everybody who wants an extended 'Let It Loose', here's the next best thing - 7 minute long instrumental ballad from Nellcote, courtesy of a Nicky Hopkins worktape:

https://we.tl/t-UBEgmsKtkI

― whitehallunity, Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:21 PM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

dang this is really lovely, is it worth seeking out the rest of this worktape?

Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 7 September 2020 16:14 (two weeks ago) link

I’ll forever r go back n forth on this one but today I’m feeling like Star Star is honestly the best thing on here

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 7 September 2020 18:06 (two weeks ago) link

Keith's arm in that RS photo looks necrotic.

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/stones-goats-head-soup-aubrey-powell.jpg?resize=1800,1200&w=1200

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 September 2020 19:40 (two weeks ago) link

Man, "Winter" would be such a great track without those dumb "Levon" strings.

Can Butch Vig not do "dynamimcs"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:41 (one week ago) link

This reissue is the bee’s knees. Other than the corny “remixes”. Page on “Scarlet” is just *wow*.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:46 (one week ago) link

The live set on the reissue is awesomely noisy and the most house-disrupting thing I've played during COVID since the Hendrix poll.

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:48 (one week ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/9GROGxM.png

Can Butch Vig not do "dynamimcs"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:55 (one week ago) link

"Star Star" must be the dullest "controversial" song ever... the band sounds embarrassed to be recording it.

Can Butch Vig not do "dynamimcs"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:53 (one week ago) link

Without prejudice to the thread title/topic - the dropoff from Exile to this album is pretty extraordinary, IMO

Can Butch Vig not do "dynamimcs"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:57 (one week ago) link

Dropoff from this one to "Black And Blue" moreso. That one's just a plain lazy album, IMO.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 21:33 (one week ago) link

b&b has some choice cuts, "hey negrita," "memory motel," and "fool to cry" are as good as anything they've done, but it does feel tossed-off compared to the previous two.

i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:10 (one week ago) link

Though It’s Only Rock’n’Roll actually comes after GHS doesn’t it? And that’s even worse to my ears.

29 facepalms, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:24 (one week ago) link

Tying to imagine “scarlet” played by Zep and it’s damn near impossible

calstars, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:26 (one week ago) link

Bonham just wouldn’t be able to handle that Charlie beat lol

calstars, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:28 (one week ago) link

It takes more than having Jimmy Page on your sing for it to sound like Zep. Ask David Coverdale.

29 facepalms, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:30 (one week ago) link

Song. Obviously.

29 facepalms, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:31 (one week ago) link

I'm not a big Stones fan, especially their later era, but I once had a memorable night at a party (w33d) where I really vibed on Black and Blue. Now I feel like maybe I should try to reevaluate Goat's Head and Only R&R.

Orson Well Yeah (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:32 (one week ago) link

B and B has Memory Motel on it right? Untouchable

calstars, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:38 (one week ago) link

Yep. B&B is my favorite b/w Exile and Some Girls, but, egads, "Hot Stuff" and "Hey Negrita."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:41 (one week ago) link

Though It’s Only Rock’n’Roll actually comes after GHS doesn’t it? And that’s even worse to my ears.

― 29 facepalms, Wednesday, September 16, 2020 5:24 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

you're right, i always forget about that one, which is a true step down.

i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:44 (one week ago) link

Yeah, Memory Motel was the track that really hit me at that party. Had somehow never heard it until 1990-something. (many xp)

Orson Well Yeah (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:45 (one week ago) link

honestly, i prefer the loose emotionalism of b&b to the sludgy hedonism of goat's head.

i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:46 (one week ago) link

egads, "Hot Stuff" and "Hey Negrita."

I love both of these, gtfo.

Orson Well Yeah (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:47 (one week ago) link

B&B is so well engineered. It sounds great, especially the Virgin remaster.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:48 (one week ago) link

There's almost a whole good album divided between It's Only Rock 'n' Roll and Black & Blue. I'd probably sequence it like this:

Side A
"It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (But I Like It)"
"Ain't Too Proud to Beg"
"Time Waits for No One"
"Fingerprint File"

Side B
"Dance Little Sister"
"Hand of Fate"
"Fool to Cry"
"Crazy Mama"

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:58 (one week ago) link

“hot stuff” is sweet, great opener

I do love those Rolling Stones and their music

brimstead, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 23:01 (one week ago) link

For the life of me, I'll never understand what people like about the drippy "Fool to Cry" ("Crazy Mama" and "Memory Motel" are decent, though).

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 23:05 (one week ago) link

"Crazy Mama" is an example of why I love Jagger on electric rhythm guitar.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 23:27 (one week ago) link


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