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And, yeah, Stereophonics had always been an ENEMY OF POP (TM), so "Dakota" love comes form a different place than Muse loving, what with them being a BOMBAST POP ROCK act and never having sung "Mr Writer".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 July 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

Mr Writer >>>>>>>>>> Dakota

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 21 July 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

worst derail ever

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 21 July 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, there's some quality Lexbot action here.

― stop moving. (cis), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

"Dakota" is a gem from a band who usually deserve to be hurt very badly, melted down and used to coat roads.

Except that "Maybe Tomorrow" is also a genuinely good pop track.

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thebubbleburst.co.uk/pics_people/the%20littlest%20hobo_before.jpg

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

That was the 1000th answer. Go Annie!

― JoB (JoB), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

loved dakota. brilliant tune. needs a JLC remix but then doesnt everything?

MEANWHILE to bring it back to Annie -

http://www.anniemusic.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=891

― pisces (piscesx), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

i am becoming wary of the phrase "genuinely good pop track" to justify these horrifying contrarianisms. it seems to me to be but one step away from "proper songs with a decent tune that the milkman/the man in the street/your mum can whistle" or other such regressive, conservative, backwards-thinking nonsense.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

can the 'dakota' lovers please justify how any song, no matter how good the tune or even arrangement, can possibly be listenable if it still has kelly jones's emphysematic walrus voice honking over the top of it?

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

what's progressive or forward-thinking or non-conservative about paris hilton?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

postmodern, blank slate, cipher, fillintheblanks

(cis and i are currently engaged in a drawn-out study of exactly how and why these buzzwords are actually nowhere near sufficient to capture the immense importance of paris hilton to LIFE AS WE KNOW IT)

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

postmodern, blank slate, cipher, fillintheblanks

that doesn't answer my question.

at all.

i mean 'postmodern'? wake me up when we get to, well, the '80s.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

yes i know i was taking the piss out of naomi wolf! hence parenthetical stuff!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

ok, so what's progressive or forward-thinking or non-conservative about paris hilton?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

There is NO WAY IN THE WORLD Paris Hilton is REMOTELY "a blank slate" when you consider the GIGANTIC AMOUNTS OF CELEBRITY BAGGAGE that she's carrying around. Might as well give Jade Goody a multi-million pound production to sing over and make the same claim.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

but then again, one could listen to 'Stars Are Blind' without knowing who it is and never guess in a million years that it would be Hilton. i like that aspect a lot.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

I WAS TAKING THE PISS OUT OF NAOMI!

as i said nrq, cis and i are currently engaged in a study to determine what is so special about paris. we have not yet finished

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

-- The Lex

Lily Allen AMIFUCKINGRITE??

ok, I've vented...

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think the new Jessica Simpson video does what I think the Lex thinks Paris does sooo much better.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Erm, the xposts make that look a bit silly out of context.

Answer - there is nothing remotely progressive or forward-thinking or non-conservative about Paris Hilton and nor does there have to be. Lex is just being k-rockist in thinking he has to justify his taste with proof of her artistic worth. Like some other people I can think of.

xpost - Steve, but it's not intended to be listened to with no idea of who's making the record. It's meant to be consumed alongside the video and the mobile download and everything else. It's not meant to listened to like a Kompakt release or something equally faceless, so it's a bit off the mark to suggest there's much of a self-consious cipher element there.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

I find myself nearly always 50% in total agreement with Lex about most things

and the other 50% of the time utterly baffled by his capacity for perverse wrongness :O

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

It's meant to be consumed alongside the video and the mobile download and everything else. It's not meant to listened to like a Kompakt release or something equally faceless, so it's a bit off the mark to suggest there's much of a self-consious cipher element there.

I don't think this is set in stone. Lots of people will hear the song on the radio for first time and be surprised it's Hilton. And I think that sort of impact may cause them to rethink her (as a product), which gives SOME credence to the 'blank slate' idea.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

It's not meant to listened to like a Kompakt release or something equally faceless, so it's a bit off the mark to suggest there's much of a self-consious cipher element there.

you're right and you're wrong - on the one hand yes it is the whole package, the video and the image and the paris-hilton-ness of it all. but it's also exactly the kind of song you hear on the radio without realising who it is, esp if you are the kind of (weirdo) person who is automatically prejudiced against paris, and find yourself humming and so on, before discovering who's responsible.

i don't think all music needs to be progressive and fwd-thinking &c. but i do feel that one's overall approach to music should not be a conservative "oh that has a tune my mum can sing, it will do" one.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

haha xp

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

"genuinely good pop track" to justify these horrifying contrarianisms. it seems to me to be but one step away from "proper songs with a decent tune that the milkman/the man in the street/your mum can whistle or other such regressive, conservative, backwards-thinking nonsense."

That's exactly what I meant by "genuinely good pop track, and I am exactly that conservative milkman-in-the-street, or perhaps I am even yo' mama.

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

paris hilton *does* have a catchy tune, it must be said.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

you and your ilk are responsible for james blunt

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

and oasis, and the beatles. YUCK

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Lex, at what point do COOL POOR YOUNG PEOPLE ON BUSSES become UNCOOL POOR PEOPLE WITH JOBS, so we know at what point we should stop trusting their taste in music?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Lex hates the Streets, hates Lily Allen, hates indie, hates Nelly Furtado. What the fuck DOES Lex like?

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that about covers it for western pop music...

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

esp if you are the kind of (weirdo) person who is automatically prejudiced against paris

TS: Love for RacistParis vs. Hate for Racistjustice

― Headspin (Barima), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that about covers it for ~~western pop music~~ILM...

Fixed.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

lex loves indie. he calls things he doesn't like indie. which is unfortunate

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Juror8/lolindie.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

i love nelly furtado, i just think nu-furtado >>>> old-furtado

i love ciara, that is who i love

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

i like the idea that a picture of me is saved to everyone's computer :D

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

he also hates Robyn.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

BUT I LOVE CIARA

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

old-furtado >>> mid-furtado >>> nu-furtado

i see dead careers...

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 July 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

What's to hate about Robyn? I don't like her as much as Lene or Annie but still.

― Nick H (Nick H), Friday, 21 July 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

"Dakota": I don't much like the phrase "genuinely good pop song" b/c it seems like a bit of a cop-out. But I think it hints at what is likeable about "Dakota", and that is its perfect construction: the Interpolly verses with Kelly wosisname trying to sound all deep and reflective and melodromantic leading into the big guitar surge that sort of wobbles back into itself, and Kelly suddenly pulling out his Nickleback hoarse holler, except that where Nickleback always put these gruff restraint markers around their choruses (like screaming into a tin can), the chorus in "Dakota" just feels effortless, partly due to how fucking high it is. It drives itself home perfectly. One of the things that made most other Stereophonics so insufferable was that the songs sounded like they thought they'd gotten to that point, but in fact fell short sharply, like a track runner who think he's won the race b/c he accidently ran one less lap than everyoen else. The closest they ever got to actually connecting before was "Local Boy In The Photograph", and that still falls far short of "Dakota". Not that "Dakota" is brilliant or anything, it's just surprisingly good. I smile when it comes on the radio.

(Also Kelly looks vaguely hot in the video clip, which I would never have expected (esp. after that terry towelling hat disaster in one of the video clips from the second album). I think he knew it too, he wore the exact same outfit when he performed the song live on Oz TV and there I found it kind of annoying, also his voice didn't sound so good live, too much screaming I think)

In this sense it's a "genuinely good pop song" the way Jamelia's "Superstar" is - another song that many people found themselves liking enormously without necessarily being able to explain why. There's something quite inevitable and monolithic about both tunes.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 23 July 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

'superstar' is so underrated in that way though - i've seen it described as "just" a good pop song, implying that it does what it can with limited resources, but i think it's a genuine monster - the swells of bass are so inviting and she really nails the vocal. i can't think of any other song which sounds quite like it!

i don't hear any of what you hear in 'dakota' :(

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 24 July 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

Lex I wouldn't expect you to! Remember that I have a dodgy quasi-indie past circa 1996.

Yeah i agree "Superstar" is underrated, it and "Scandalous" by Mis-Teeq remind me of one another, and both have been singled out by friends of mine as being particularly cheesy. Many people are very suspicious of that poptastic Swedish R&B sound.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 24 July 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

Lex is suspicious of it too, because all Scandinavians sound the same and are all bloodless!

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

(also, Tim, your indie past is very similar to MY indie past and as such is not dodgy at all, unless you actually own "Free Peace Sweet" by Dodgy)

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

where are our dodgy indie FUTURES, I ask you.

― HPSTRKRFT (haitch), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

You are my dodgy indie future, haitch.

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh no. no-one deserves that!!

― HPSTRKRFT (haitch), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

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