i still like power, corruption, and lies better.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 06:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Hmm, yes, this album.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link
THIS ALBUM
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 May 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
So good of you to agree.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 May 2008 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I too prefer Power, Corruption, and Lies over this but it's definitely in retrospect; at the time I pretty much loved everything New Order did without exception. As my tastes have changed I've grown to prefer PCL over everything else because it captures the sound of the band at their most uninhibited. They're clearly finding their way on PCL, not really giving a fuck about their legacy anymore, zero-ing in on some of the textures that would define them later on (but probably not realizing it themselves yet!) and as a result there isn't another album in the New Order catalog that sounds as loose and jammy as PCL.
Today 'Brotherhood' sounds to me like the most conventionally "rock" of all of their records (that is, of their first generation period) but it still has that NO sensibility and execution that make a more straightforward track like "Way of Life" sound unlike any other band.
― scottw, Saturday, 24 May 2008 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link
THAT ALBUM
― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 24 May 2008 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm with scottw...something about PCL endures. "loose and jammy" - that's it. I would never have chosen it as my fave but it sounds better year after year. "Three miles to go..."
― Bimble, Saturday, 24 May 2008 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
"We All Stand" sounds like an attempt at a looser version of 12-bar blues, updated for the New Romantic age.
I revived the thread precisely because I heard "Way of Life" and the live version of "As It Is..." found on the Retro set, the latter in particular sounding tighter and more forceful than I remembered.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 May 2008 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm surprised by what i said above about this being my second-favourite new order album; i don't think i felt that way when we did our perennial rank-the-albums thing more recently.
also: i really don't ever remember digging out those peel session tracks! that i *must* do.
― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 24 May 2008 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link
i actually prefer Brotherhood, Technique and maybe even Republic over PCL
*ducks*
― stephen, Saturday, 24 May 2008 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link
republic is a beautiful, underrated album.
― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 24 May 2008 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Republic is just AWESOME
― stephen, Saturday, 24 May 2008 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Republic is an awesome Electronic album.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 May 2008 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link
hah! if we're judging it on those terms, it's the best Electronic album
― stephen, Saturday, 24 May 2008 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link
by far
... this seems as good a time as any to advance my unpopular and discredited theory that the first electronic album is in fact a perfect companion-piece to "technique".
― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 24 May 2008 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link
I won't disagree. The first Electronic album got met into New Order in the summer of '91.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 May 2008 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link
ah, the summer of '91. bliss was it in that dawn to be alive ... actually, no, hang on, i was probably deeply mired in teenage angst.
still. great soundtrack for it.
― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 24 May 2008 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link
"Everyone Everywhere" and "Regret" notwithstanding, nothing on Republic's as good as "Get The Message," "Some Distant Memory," "Tighten Up," "The Patience of a Saint," "Getting Away With It," or "Reaction."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Electronic played a set opening for Depeche out here in LA in 1990, a year before the album came out, and I'm pretty sure they did "Patience of a Saint" since Neil and Chris joined them on stage (they very definitely did do "Getting Away With It").
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Son of a gun, they did do it -- here's the tracklist for that first ever show:
http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=537&bid=332
And yes I bought a T-shirt which I still have, with a big pink slanted star on the front and a bit on the back near the top saying it was Electronic's first show anywhere etc.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 25 May 2008 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link
nothing on Republic's as good as "Get The Message," "Some Distant Memory," "Tighten Up," "The Patience of a Saint," "Getting Away With It," or "Reaction."
"reaction"?
also: regardless of whether or not i agree (i don't) ... where's "gangster", one of barney's most gobsmacking moments? :)
― grimly fiendish, Sunday, 25 May 2008 09:37 (sixteen years ago) link
er, "Reality," not "Reaction."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 25 May 2008 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link
So the question is -- has the sound been improved by the remaster?
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Not that I can hear.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 8 December 2008 16:09 (fifteen years ago) link
hear hear
― redmond, Monday, 8 December 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Now this is an album I can get behind. Granted, I haven't heard it in 10 years. But it's one of those albums I bought the week it came out. (I can remember the local music press slagging it off as "New Order sell out" or some such nonsense.)
I can never decide between this and LowLife though.
― Sampling Potter's Nipples (Masonic Boom), Monday, 8 December 2008 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Brotherhood >>>> Lowlife
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 08:41 (fifteen years ago) link
25 years old today!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.xfm.co.uk/xfm-25-brotherhood-by-new-order
worth listening to
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Cool, thanks!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
Never understood why even so many new order fans find this record somewhat mediocre, whereas I think it's their pinnacle. Listening to it again for first time in ages, when I got to this track, I started searching for the words to describe the effect this music has on me, without much success, although for some reason the phrase 'effortless grace' popped into my mind (during the wonderful last minute). Then I recalled there was an ancient ILM thread about Brotherhood, that I'd read once a decade ago, and reading it again, in reference to the very song Way of Life, I was amazed to see the following:
"Simple moments, simple songs but it all combines and recombines, and again, it's like...why NOT rock this way, with such grace and power all at once? So apparently effortless, like watching a massive airplane take off into the sunset with no extraneous noise and no exhaust."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahhx9MiHGmA
― Campari G&T, Saturday, 28 July 2012 05:11 (eleven years ago) link
You told me about yourself,How you once lived with someone elseThe way of life that you had triedThe way they hurt you deep insideThat's the only thing about itI can't find anyone to doubt itThat's the only thing about itI can't find anyone to doubt itWho do you think you're talking to?When I look at you I know you're lyingAll you say and doSeems to fall apart and leave you crying
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 February 2019 03:56 (five years ago) link
Their last great album IMO
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 February 2019 04:04 (five years ago) link
Nonsense
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 2 February 2019 08:17 (five years ago) link
Brotherhood is pretty underrated but Technique is mostly just an even better version of it
― ufo, Saturday, 2 February 2019 09:01 (five years ago) link
As i posted waaay upthread aeons ago - "Technique" is fine but too in thrall to house music and Ecstasy. Not a bad album but also not entirely the New Order I knew and loved up til then.
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 February 2019 12:55 (five years ago) link
I wasn't really into rolling snare fills with my melodicas.
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 2 February 2019 12:56 (five years ago) link
"Fine Time" is the only track that's really like that and it's an endearing mess but not my favourite
it has a similar guitar-based and synth-based split to Brotherhood, they're just all mixed together instead of being one side guitars and one side synths
i'll take "Round & Round", "Mr. Disco", "Vanishing Point" and "Dream Attack" over Brotherhood side two (even though that has "Bizarre Love Triangle") and "All The Way", "Love Less" and "Run" are far better than Brotherhood side one
― ufo, Saturday, 2 February 2019 13:10 (five years ago) link
Brotherhood would have a better reputation if its production values were as pristine as Technique's.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link
"Technique" is fine but too in thrall to house music and Ecstasy. Not a bad album but also not entirely the New Order I knew and loved up til then.
thanks Geirbot
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link
how can the album be in thrall to house music and Ecstasy when five tracks are rock songs? Unless you meant house and Ecstasy brought them to their songwriting peak.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link
All Day Long is probably the best NO track in my dumb opinion. I haven't heard anything that sounds quite like that one.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 21:11 (five years ago) link
"Your Silent Face" does something similar imo
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:39 (five years ago) link
very true
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:40 (five years ago) link
"All the Way" too.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link
― The Very Fugly Caterpillar (sic), Tuesday, February 5, 2019 2:00 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Nice try but ... nah.
Alfred - I feel those influences blanded out their sound somehow. All the interviews I remember from that time talked of endless partying in Ibiza and the influence of the cool new stuff they'd been hearing when they went out to the island's clubs. I just heard - and hear - a glossy record missing the roughness and fire of the releases that led up to it. Sorry folks, I don't really like my New Order slick.
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link
so you don't like slick and glossy?
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 February 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
Not with New Order, no.
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:20 (five years ago) link
the New Order albums i'm not down w/as much are Get Ready and WFTSC. Music Complete brought me back, moreso after seeing the songs performed live.
― omar little, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 00:37 (five years ago) link