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Dr. C! You never responded in full to my post from last summer. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not on this thread, but it often seems to be the one that people seem to say "I love all of Technique except x" about. The only other value of x I've ever seen is 'Fine Time', which is just as bewildering. More so, I would have said until yesterday, but I've got Technique on a loop at the mo and I'm loving 'Mr Disco' so much.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mr.Disco" is a great song, but it's just kind've a dumb title.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Kind of? DUMB.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The only one I'm not spinning out over at the moment is 'Run', maybe because it lacks the trackiness I'm after.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"Run" always let me down on that album but recently I went back and played all of the tracks on that album in isolation and they're all great, it's just that some aren't as great as others ("Run" and "Mr Disco" are definitely on the lower tier of greatness when compared to "Fine Time", "Guilty Partner", "Vanishing Point" and "Dream Attack").

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Ranking "Technique"

Fine Time
Run
All the Way
Round and Round
Love Less
Dream Attack
Vanishing Point
Mr. Disco
Guilty Partner

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I love how this thread never dies. It warms the cockles of my ickle, black soul. Also, Mr. Disco is prolly my fave track on the album, so I haven't the foggiest why there would be such hate. I love all of it, dumbtitle and all, but I am ever a sucker for the cheese. If I had to pick weak track on Technique, it would be Run.

― jae young kim (jazzler), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Fave track on Technique for me remains "Dream Attack".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

The "Run"-hating baffles me. I blame John Denver.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't hate 'Run'. It's all good.

I love how I'm in love with this album again. It's always been in 'my top 10 albums' for as long as I've thought about such things, but I haven't been so immersed in how wonderful it is for ages.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

less it with the "run" slagging! it's my second favourite on the album, after "vanishing point".

there isn't a single weak moment on technique. it is sonically perfect, and very probably my favourite album ever made.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I started listening as soon as I noticed this thread popped up and am amazed how much more lighthearted this album is than anything else I've listened to lately. Breezy, even.

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

but it has a heart of darkness. it knows the horror of the post-E comedown awaits, even though it hasn't yet experienced it.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

there isn't a single weak moment on technique. it is sonically perfect, and very probably my favourite album ever made.

You may be right about that. It's one of those albums I've never gotten tired of.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Listened to this the other day for the first time in ages.

I love it as much today as I did as a 14 yr old in 89.

But the hiss behind Fine Time's intro pisses me off !

― Shooz (shooz), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

**Dr. C! You never responded in full to my post from last summer. ;-**
Which one, Ned?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

hello, this thread

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello Alang.

― thread (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

(ha, that's what i always think when i see this thread) xpost

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Which one, Ned?

This one. To which you said "Splendid stuff Ned. I will say more later." And I've been waiting! Not impatiently, though, that would be wrong.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how popular "Fine Time" is on this thread, I spent a long time feeling stupid it was my fav track (it isn't anymore, some sad song I can't work out the title to will be, "Dream Attack" or "Guilty Partner" prob, I just got this rec out and maybe I'll post my fav later)

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Looking back at the thread I can't really say any more than you've said already - a fine piece of crit and totally OTM about the album as a whole. I desperately need to listen to Technique now! By the way, there's talk of the new one being similarly concise and full of hits. I will get a promo soon I hope, so will be able to report back then.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Rah! I look forward to hearing yer take on it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, me too. i should really be working harder to get a promo copy, i know, but ... part of me doesn't want to hear it at all, you know?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I don't know.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I completely and utterly am ignorant on this point as well.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

With New Order, I'm way past the point of being excited about the new album but also being fearful that it might disappoint. After 20+ years of nothing but awesomeness (plus, their last album was one of their best), they've earned my complete trust.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

dan, ned ... i can honestly say, hand on heart, that i'd rather NO weren't making this record. and they are almost certainly my favourite band of all time. it's just ... something died inside me when i heard get ready, and i really don't want to suffer yet another crushing disappointment like that. i'd rather preserve them in the amber of my mind.

am i really the only one who feels like this?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope, get ready left me a bit cold as well. It's alright, but I felt as if NO were phoning it in.

― jae young kim (jazzler), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I have never had a band reach the status of "favorite act" disappoint me to the point of jaded disillusionment. Never.

Oh wait, I forgot about KMFDM. So there was one, but they weren't even really ever my favorite band.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(One reason I would hesitate to call New Order one of my favorite bands is because many of their album contain moments of sheer excrement, to the point where I refuse to purchase otherwise excellent and amazing albums because of one or two horrible songs.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, lots of my favorite bands recorded execrable moments - and thank God! It makes them more human. Perfection is dull. I made peace with Bernard's lyrics, "Rock the Shack," most of "Movement" and "State of the Nation" many years ago.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I can never and will never get behind the idea that perfection is dull. Perfection is perfect; what's wrong with liking things that are perfect?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Yet again, a New Order discussion on ILM has split into "loved 'Get Ready'" vs "hated 'Get Ready'" factions.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Does that surprise anyone at this point?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

So few bands are perfect. I suppose miniaturists like the Go-Betweens made a couple of perfect records, but at the same time they lack the audacity of bands like the Smiths, New Order, and the Beatles, to name just three; they were afraid to risk looking foolish. It's a band's choice, of course – or orientation if you're feeling sinister.

Why not accept a band's flaws as more reasons to hug them harder?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Get Ready was great and I am right. There.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Why not accept a band's flaws as more reasons to hug them harder?

This is the point were a less-jaded me would incredulously type "You're kidding, right?"

Suffice to say that I'm not ever going to agree with you, ever.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

'Technique' = NO's 'Cosmic Thing'. I like "Dream Attack" and "Roam"

― dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but wouldn't you say that NO missed the Don Was factor by NOT getting produced by Eno?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to hear a Billy Sherrill "Love Vigilantes"

― dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Suffice to say that I'm not ever going to agree with you, ever.

That's cool, man. However, you're wrong: we both love New Order. After a few beers and a couple of listens to "Brotherhood" and "Technique," we can discuss my theory.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

currently playing a Technique tour show on www.retroforwardradio.com

Detroit 89, soundboard, in it's entirety

enjoy

― biznotic, Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Apart from Crystal, Get Ready is really poor and, personally, I blame 'Robbie' Gillespie. He should stick to orgainsing fancy dress parties for his sad mates and stop trying to bum some credibility off genuinely creative people. Rock The Shack was pathetic.

Listen to the Felix Da Housecat mix of Here To Stay for what Get Ready could have been.

New Order are so much more than ageing rockers and I hope the new album (which I'll buy the day it comes out) proves it.

Technique is fantastic.

― wtin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"Rock The Shack" is great, largely because of that guitar riff on the chorus.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing that stands about New Order's sound circa 'Technique' as they sound even less like a band playing together and more of songs put together via studio production. This record is more like their remixes than the other studio albums. It isn't a bad thing mind you, it is unique in their discography, as their next studio album 'Republic' seemed more of a return to their earlier albums.

― earlnash, Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Get Ready is really poor and, personally, I blame 'Robbie' Gillespie

shoot speed kill light (from exterminator) vs rock the shack:

the former is a razor-edged sprawl of scuzzy rock goodness, the latter is a dumb joke. the fact that primal scream made an ace song with barney and new order made a pish one with bobby suggests to me that NO are at fault here, not mr G.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

First time I heard Rock The Shack I hated it. A few more plays and it became one of my faves on Get Ready. I like the sound of the guitar and what Hooky is doing on it, too. I don't see why every New Order song has to be a big glossy techno showoff. Sometimes I like it if they just turn everything else off and let the guitar, bass & drums interact. Okay, so the lyrics aren't that great, but people who constantly complain about New Order lyrics just need to find another band to like because it often just comes with the package.

That said, I feel for you, Fiendish, even if I don't agree with you. If it turns out the new one disappoints me, I still hope you like it.

― Bimble... (Bimble...), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

bump.

just because :)

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

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