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have you ever driven the desert before? this plan is highly HIGHLY unadvisable.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

*bat country*

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

Well, *of course* the horns have more impact on 'Fizheuer' than they would on a Basement Jaxx track. Often (but of course not always) the fewer elements there are on a track, the more those elements stand out. And Villalobos is capable of picking just the right few elements to make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck when you listen to it.

It's like, I was thinking '"Fizbeast"? That'll just be "Fizheuer" without the interesting bits, right?' And then last week I walked into a record shop that was playing it - and you know what? Those drums sound amazing on their own, really hypnotic and intense. I didn't want to leave the shop.

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

most "dj tools" i know are like 3 minutes long. the length of it seems more to me like a way to give three or four different angles into the song without doing explicit remixes of it. (or alternately a "bed" in which the DJ can lay three, four, five or even six other tracks! yay!)

fizheuer reminds me a lot of stuff i used to do with my roommate. he had a tape echo machine and a rogue moog and we didn't have an effects loop or anything but we did have two extra cheap radio shack mixers. one turntable would go into a mixer and out through the tape echo, and the other turntable would go into another mixer and out through the moog, then both would go into the DJ mixer and out to the speakers. often just the slightest tweak of the echo would be enough to cascade this huge rippling wave in the beat that would take minutes to resolve.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

I've been purposefully avoiding Fizheuer...for whatever reason. I really like the Depeche Mode remix...but I can't be bothered listening to Fizheuer, I don't even want an opinion on it, I know that probably sounds silly...

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

I actually do like Basement Jaxx's "Hey You" more than "Fizheuer Zizheuer".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think I like Bitches Brew more than 'Fizheuer Zieheuer', it also has some horns on it.

― Omar (Omar), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

(or alternately a "bed" in which the DJ can lay three, four, five or even six other tracks! yay!)

I think if this is done well it could sound incredible.

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha Omar, but I was referring to the comparison above.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

I know, I know...I was bit snarky (sometimes happens when Holy Cows of ILM are called in for no good reason...esp. in the case of something like F/Z, which I adore. ;)

― Omar (Omar), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Fizheuer Zizheur" is great in the right context, but I wanted to point out that the hypothetical Basement Jaxx single being proposed in opposition to it actually exists and will be one of the year's best singles once it's released. The two do work differently but I think Philip is a bit off in his comparative distinction.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

I must confess I haven't bothered with Basement Jaxx in years (they're your hyperactive nephew, cute at first, but mindnumbing after years of visiting, shouting all the time & wearing silly hats. Villalobos of course is your eccentric uncle Ricardo with the red eyes, weird smile and cool presents. ;)

― Omar (Omar), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Often (but of course not always) the fewer elements there are on a track, the more those elements stand out.

the hell you say!! ilm's next gen masters of the obvious continue to deliver.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

anyway i chose to listen to old emo records on the bus last night rather than fizheur but its time is coming.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Almost as facile as comparing Basement Jaxx to Villalobos innit

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

"comparing"

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

" "

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

christ why do i even bother: listen geniuses it wasn't a COMPARISON, it was a statement about the CONTEXT in which basement jaxx and villalobos are RECIEVED. the point i was making was exactly the same as the one phil made three posts later, i.e. OF COURSE NO ONE WOULD BLINK IF BASEMENT JAXX DID IT BECAUSE ITS THEIR STEEZ. JUST LIKE NO ONE WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT LCD SOUNDSYSTEM RELEASED A 45 MINUTE "TRACK," BECAUSE THEY'RE AN ART-ROCK BAND. HOWEVER, BECAUSE VILLALOBOS IS PART OF THE "MINIMAL" COMMUNITY, WHERE 8 MINUTE DRUM TRACKS ARE THE RULE, SIMPLY EXTENDING A "SINGLE" TO A RIDICULOUS LENGTH AND ADDING AN UNFAMILIAR ELEMENT = INSTANT BUZZ.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

if anyone can find where i talk about the "impact" of the horns or their deployment in my initial post, feel free.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

i.e. ricardo's been reading his own press

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

i blame myself as much as anyone

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Thursday, 23 November 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

the 37 minute length thing is a bit of a red herring. the usable/listenable part is a mere 15 minutes, which is pretty much average Villalobos track length at this point. i've never heard ANYONE play the side B part out, EVER. its only function seems to be so Boomkat/OM etc can bongle on about how long it is...

― a (rslvd), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

although hell, I see someone's saying they enjoy listening to Fizbeast now, so maybe I'm missing something too.

― a (rslvd), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

surely the idea is for people to buy two copies so they can play the b-side against the a-side ALL NIGHT LONG

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

well, golly, it's a triplet delay, i'm gonna go wash the shit out of my pants

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

i've never heard ANYONE play the side B part out, EVER.

A side >>> B side, but that might be because I'm bored by the time the B side gets going. I should try listening to them in reverse order one day.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

i actually kind of like the b-side more.

― trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

see also 'Achso'

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

i feel like i've crossed this weird threshold where i don't need villalobos albums to be "dance" anymore

OTM

though i must admit quite a danceable liking for 808 the bassqueen, the contempt, etc. and his live sets.

― trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
anyone heard l'essentiel? i just picked it up from forced exposure. 1995 co-production with roland leesker (my reaction was "who?"). pretty similar sound design to the MDMA 12". it's got a beautiful piano line in the final third. a really insistent bassline and an offbeat snare throughout. if you're into mdma or the contempt you'll probably like it a lot.

i wonder if we're gonna see a flood of old unreleased villalobos tracks coming out. that would be nice.

― friday on the porch (lfam), Friday, 12 January 2007 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

7 hour long NYE set

part 1 http://www.filefactory.com/file/e192e0/
part 2 http://www.filefactory.com/file/2b2b04/
part 3 http://www.filefactory.com/file/275b54/
part 4 http://www.filefactory.com/file/fb3022/
part 5 http://www.filefactory.com/file/0e8ae0/
part 6 http://www.filefactory.com/file/d5339c/

― a (rslvd), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

i just picked up the Logohitz/Lugom-IX 12" (for very cheap) from back in the day. God his old shit is just soooo good.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Y'know, I've tried hard with this guy but I'm still not really feeling it. Even Fizzy Zizzy - it's quite nice but from the descriptions above I was expecting a bit more than 15 minutes of basically the same 1-second trumpet sample looped over and over again over some semi-interesting beatwork. Even when the trumpets actually come in (and this only lasts about 5 secs) they sound dissonant and out of place. I was just expecting something a bit more clever/evocative maybe?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

have you heard alcachofa yet?

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Even Fizzy Zizzy

Yes, even Fizheuer Zieheuer, probably his most inaccessible piece of end point minimalism.

― jimn (jimnaseum), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

have you heard alcachofa yet?

I have it but admittedly haven't given it a proper go. I will do that now wjile I tidy my room and ponder my future existence.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think FZ was really intended to be clever, and I'm sure it's evocative enough in the right context of one of his DJ sets, but mostly I'm with you. Don't hate it, but it's definitely been talked up a bit too much as something with a great deal of home listening depth.

(round and round we go on this record!)

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

the question is: do i care enough to DL a 7hour set? the chances of my listening to the whole thing are almost nil. which 'parts' is the best? i'm presuming the end, but...

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha. I like Easy Lee quite a lot.

I can kinda see how FZ would work well in a DJ set. Still, he had a good idea but I am frustrated that he didn't take it further.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

i already have so many live rv sets.

i am so so sick of FZ, in any form: the track itself, the track even when its well mixed, people talking about the track, etc. garsh, i am just sick of fizzy zizzy.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

i am frustrated that he destroyed that awesome eastern european oompa jazz track to make FZ.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

i suspect you're kidding, but if not: how'd he destroy it? it still exists, intact -- and in fact i'm guessing you wouldn't have ever heard the original otherwise. i certainly wouldn't have.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

I've not listened to it yet. yeah it's overwhelming, but just throwing it out there. certainly didn't mean to reignite FZ debate. (the bottom line with FZ is, I think, it shouldn't have been released)

the last few parts are him and Raresh, who he combines with well so yeah I'd go for them.

― a (rslvd), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

actually, phil, i'm not kidding. the fact that i wouldn;t have heard the original otherwise is irrelevant-- the 'original' is about a million times better and more hearty dance music than FZ could ever hope to be.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

...

― a (rslvd), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

what is the original? I mean really he didn't even need to sample anything. It could easily have been well recorded midi samples of just a trumpet for all it sounds like.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

FUCK the original was upped on the sandbox. hold on a minute.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

for the record, i love FZ, but i also think it would have been better had it not been released, if only because of the overkill effect. but ultimately i don't think the remix detracts from the source.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

actually, wogan, i think it'd be pretty difficult to get that sort of timbre and phrasing out of a sampler (if it's the lead you're talking about).

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 22 January 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

I love it too, but there's a time and a place for it, and that's not the Other Music new stock update.

― a (rslvd), Monday, 22 January 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

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