ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS

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xp boy bands?

― bakers (thoia), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

What else would it be?
(xpost OK Computer is no match for Loveless, except on PFM, but their points tabulation system was fucked anyway)

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Loveless won the ILM poll of best record of all time, but that was a while ago.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Even beat out Britney. And I didn't vote in that one either!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, after this poll people would probably not vote for it in a "Oh I don't want to be predictable in THAT way" reaction.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Which means that Violator goes number one and the world is made right once again!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

b..b..b..b..but to this day, writing a bad word about Loveless on ILM will get you banned for life. It's the equivalent of a hate crime in our little musical society!

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I fear it would be even worse. Achtung Baby!

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost)
Doesn't Ned employ a gang of thugs to hunt people down in such instances?

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed, what constituttes an "ILM person," when many are just 'lurkers' which could be any number of people that we never see posting. So, if someone has only lurked once or twice, what are they? I say let's give those 'swing voters' a chance. If Justin Timberlake shows up too much, though, we may regret it...

-- Richard K (billycorga...), July 30th, 2004. (Richard K)

― artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

It'd still have pretty good odds, though. Definitely top five, probably top two, possibly #1.

At least there's no totally obvious #1 single...right?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Dr. Bill, load up on guns, and bring your friends.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Because when the light's out...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

No way.

Here?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

if ned recorded a cover of smells like teen spirit i might vote for that

― artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned Raggett Reads ILM Poll Songs

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to point out the obvious point that picking the obvious critical consensus song/album as #1 is not only not a bad thing but is actually not all that surprising.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd guess "common people" would be the no. 1 single - or is this me thinking with my heart rather than my head?

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

STEVEM DO NOT DO THE 90S IT WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE AND EVERYONE WILL ONLY EXPLODE WITH RAGE WHEN OK COMPUTER INEVITABLY WINS AND THERE ARE FIFTEEN WILL OLDHAM ALBUMS IN THE TOP 100. OK THX BYE.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh, someone shoot my my crimes against the English language.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Attack of The The Dan Perrys

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

(hee)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

'Discovery' was my #2, 'Kid A' was my number nothing.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Spencer, I'm hearing you say that in a French accent.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"Back when the biggest threat to the world seemed to be boy bands"

oh good grief . . .

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

WHO IS RICHARD KILLIAM?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

RICHARD KILLIAM FOR PRESIDENT (of Kickedinthecrotchia)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

He's the new Keyser Soze.

(He's posted a few times and is a Smashing Pumpkins fan like myself. Ergo, a good egg!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

A good egg slightly scrambled.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think he's been reading ILX for a few weeks now, but he'll be :)ed to see this thread I reckon

― comme personne (common_person), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Not after we get through raking him over the coals for 'oh brother' lines like that...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I can only imagine how stupid his children will think he is when they google his name 15 years from now and find his moronic comments on Kid A. Actually the thought of that is making me feel better.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I think his children might be too busy laughing at us for overreacting to his writing to laugh at him (also they will be saying "_Kid A_? What album is that?" because no one will remember it five years from now let alone 15 and I say that as someone who loves it).

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

TEH 'HEAD is influntial anmd GREBT and IMAGENE if you can a BAND that wuold be BETTER because I CANOT Geer!

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I think his children might be too busy laughing at us for overreacting to his writing to laugh at him

There is much wisdom here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG, I just read that whole paragraph - it really is awful.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I think his and Jess's comments on OPM are the only ones I actually finished reading (no offense)

― comme personne (common_person), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

What else could (almost) everyone agree on from the past 4 years? Radiohead practically gets the crown by default, simply because nothing else remotely iconic was released.

You've gotta be kidding me.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(Mark my words: 15 years from now more people will remember Coldplay than Radiohead.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Spot on, Mr. Perry. I think that's already the case NOW.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I wasn't aware anyone really remembered either band at this point.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

in a decade that saw 3 Kylie albums better than Kid A I'm not sure about the man's argument up there (and I sort oflike Radiohead!)

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

People still remember Gwyneth Paltrow = people still remember Coldplay (also Coldplay has had more top 40 succes and more MTV backing = more Coldplay on the oldies station circa 2024)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree w/ Dan minus the 15 year part (meaning the people who watch WB shows featuring coldplay soundtracks way outnumber the spin reading indie/alt crowd. (ps I like radiohead quite a bit, but kid A didn't make my list.) (pps i like some coldplay songs too)

xpost ned beat me to it

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

my hope is that in ten years someone's faulty memory mistakes Stereolab for Radiohead and are pleasantly surprised by their error.

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(Dan plays the test of time card! [but in a parenthetical?])
more people != "it's better", of course, and it's not like plenty of people won't remember Radiohead, so why even point it out?

― comme personne (common_person), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, I hate Coldplay with a burning passion! My argument is not at all "Coldplay is better than Radiohead"; it's "People, let's not grossly overestimate the importance of these types of exercises."

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

carry on

― comme personne (common_person), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

A quick sketch of what Radiohead's rep might yet be another decade or so from now -- a bit like, say, Iron Maiden now, or the Cure or Depeche if you like. Their new songs aren't getting the airplay they used to or else are getting the same airplay they always had (ie, none), they might not sell out the venues they used to but they still pull a crowd, they record, they perform, they tour, it's what they do every so often even though in many ways they don't have to any more. The back catalogue still sells (or is shared or something), everyone's got their own spot now, outside interests are taking hold, Ed's opened the restaurant, Johnny scores more films on the side, etc.

But like those other bands I cited just now, what's also going to happen is that that new people will keep discovering them and their shows are always going to have a big chunk of the crowd be folks for whom it's their first or second ever show. They grew up on it thanks to their older siblings, they found it on their own and now that they're not really talked about much anymore they love it as a private obsession, they're always part of a 'new' generation that keeps a certain obsessive flame alive. Sure, there are other bands that they might like more, more recent, but those bands are also the ones open about how they formed because they played the hell out of The Number of the Beast or Violator or Kid A when they were younger.

And people might ask themselves why it is that 'the kids' or a subsection of them would enjoy something so cultish and so limited and so not-pop, say, and figure it was just brainwashing or peer pressure or an innate conservatism among most listeners. Or they might not ask themselves that, because maybe there was no need to ask the question in the first place.

Maybe.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it too obvious to say their rep will be akin to Pink Floyd's?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

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