CRAZY RAPPERS

The Rabin article is most offensive because it bitches about DMX failing to live up to expectations during this arrest. This case is different from Parliament/ODB/Doom etc. because people here expect DMX to be crazy not on an album or in the public spotlight, but in real life. DMX's persona didn't get arrested this time, DMX the guy did. The fact that every time someone like DMX gets arrested, it has to be for some looney reason does smack of racism, but I don't know if an indictment of the whole rapper-persona fascination follows from that.

1. yes
1a. there's also the fact that a lot of people (me included) just prefer weird stuff - E you should kinda lay yr cards on the table here, for you "weird" is a negative criticism isn't it? if these people were, like, manilow freaks in their pop tastes but then strictly odb in their rap tastes, you might have a case, but there are a whole host of other things to consider - especially that the "weird" rappers you name (except maybe cam'ron, about whom I don't know shit) tend to be working a more obviously literary schtick

or to put it more briefly, "eng lit grads who became critics in liking offbeat poetry non-shockah"

the reason you can see this probably has something to do with your not having spent any time behind bars: it fucking sucks

Wesley's not putting on a rubber elvis wig. He was really schizo!

And I reiterate: The "Crazy" that CTORL listen to is informed by sci-fi and horror and all the other things used as alienation support beams for whitebread weirdos. Even ODB rapped about CHUDs.

hey, he's just talking about a "certain kind of rap fan"! I'm sure he had no ulterior motive to brand "those" fans and their opinions as racist, nosiree...

Also, DMX - or anyone - is unlikely to go to prison over an airplane hissy fit. (jail and prison being two very different environments, generally.) He'll pay a fine, have a press conference, or maybe just a perp walk, and get a bunch of google hits.

haha e yeah the only reason critics woulda all gone nuts at once about houston was the music was so great! that's gotta be it! that, and all these cough-syrup-drinking critics really relate intensely to the general subject matter of post-screw houston rap

More info plz, thx

glad to hear it man! I was worried about you

I have spent some time behind bars. (A weekend at city jail, yeah I'm a real hardass) I know it fucking sucks. All kinds of things that fucking suck are done in the name of earning publicity and money.

would you seriously spend even a few more hours in there on the -possibility- that it'd lead to increased sales/attendance? I work in the entertainment biz & can really use more sales, but I wouldn't spend five more fucking minutes in jail for ANYTHING except direct, cold, hard cash up front

I was stopped for speeding and had an outstanding warrant for driving without insurance. I was arrested and my car was searched. They found my tiny weed stash. I was booked for possession of paraphenalia on a Saturday night and couldn't get a release hearing until Monday afternoon. The worst of it was it happened the weekend of Mother's day so I had to call my Mom and explain I had to cancel taking her to dinner cause I got busted by the pigs.

As I said, I am a real hardass.

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AS for the question of would I do it again for the chance at publicity. I think for someone like DMX it's more than just a chance, it's virtually certain. And it wasn't so bad that I couldn't take it, so why shouldn't a geniunely prison scarred dude like him be more hesitant than me? At least if we're talking about another cream-puff city jail situation, which is what seems most likely from a yelling at stewardesses incident.

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xpost hugaboo said it best, curtis i think critics/fans mostly gave em that elusive benefit-of-the-doubt - look how seriously white dudes take him!!! camron wishes he got 1% of em's sincere unironic praise

Maybe, but his flow is on par with, say, The Streets.

Pete Burns.

Axl Rose?

Daniel Johnston?

Roky Erikson?

Iggy Pop (back in the day)?

also odb might be received by some--even many--as tortured genius but there's far less discussion of his elaborate multi-syllable/slant rhymes than there has been about em's...

basically i think odb is smart too but a lot of people don't care about that aspect of his persona, whereas it is impossible to ignore em's "genius" factor

yes odb & kool keith are a genuine symbols of sex & admiration on the same level as jim morrison, axl rose & iggy pop

the average age of people who consider any of those three a sex symbol today is 56 - you can't pit history against the present day, it's too umm weird

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that's true.

es odb & kool keith are a genuine symbols of sex & admiration on the same level as jim morrison, axl rose & iggy pop
-- and what (an...), May 17th, 2006. (ooo)

i see what yr saying, but a lot of iggy's appeal was based on his onstage antics (peanut butter, cutting himself, etc)...and there was definitely an element of how they marketed the stooges that was "man look at these crazy drug troglodytes from michigan that can't play their instruments"...I want to say that Bowie even said they reminded him of cavemen or something.....