The Lighthouse Family, Craig David, Moloko, Ocean Colour Scene, Coldplay, Toploader and the motherfucking STEREOPHONICS for one.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I really don't know what it is about you in particular that makes me want to tear out my eyeballs and spent all day desperately trying to drag you screaming out of your own idiocy but I really must make myself stop it. Especially since you're consistently too dim to have even the most rudimentary comprehension of what I'm actually arguing with you about anyway.
Sorry, everyone for acting embarrassingly like Julio and even bothering to engage over this one.
― nabisco%%, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Keiko, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
You are American.
I'm not trying to be outwardly nasty, but I lived with three of you while doing my masters last year (I'm finishing it right now which should indicate to you I'm not dim) and it shocked me that in the States you can get a degree simply by playing football or wrestling another half naked guy. And the Americans I lived with about shat themselves when they found out they actually had to 'like, write essays and stuff'.
My fave comment by an American ever is when one of me beloved flatmates (I moved out when my brain couldn't take any more) came back from a visit to Scotland and said (quite seriously): 'You know what I hated about Scotland? That you guys have so much history up there'.
I'm glad you feel like ripping out your eyeballs when you speak to me, that means I make you think and that is what all Americans need more of, don't you think? I'm also gald that you can call me dim, when - with all seriousness, you DID try and make a link between Guns n Roses and The Smiths.
Try that at my uni bar pal. See where it gets you.
― Calum Robert, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Just curious.
― electric sound of jim, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
more of us shd wear union jack tea-cosies on our heads in my opinion
― mark s, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Listen - funny story, I lived with this total ugly Texas henk and she was sooo thick. She sat down to the news one day and said:
"These guys in Afghanastan are so dumb. I mean, if someone was going to bomb England I'd just get ona train and go elsewhere."
She said this with a straight face. How the hell does that get a degree let alone become accepted for a masters??? OK, so I know the answer ($$$$) but it's a sham.
I used to invite my friends from Scotland and London to my house at this point just to meet them because words would just not do the Americans justice. You HAD to meet them. They had the social skills of a retarded hyeena.
― Calum Robert, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Melissa W, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Now,a s to GNR = Smiths, Morrisey articulated the inner angst whilst Axl projected the outer angsts of many a suburban queer confused white boy in the big city, disguised in lyrics on impersonality - listen to Estranged, or (if you can) ignoring the homophobic racist shtick of One in A Million, listen to the imploring, the attempts at reaching out slashed down by rejection (bad verbage I know). As to the band itself, not being familiar with the Smiths chronology of death, I can only say that I imagine the relationship between AXl-Slash and Morrisey-Marr to be similar - Axl appears with Elton, Morrisey with Siouxe (yes?), whilst Slash appears with wacko Jacko and Marr with Oasis or Primal Scream or whoever those tossers are.
― Queen I am neither Buffy nor the Messiah G, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― the pinefox, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos III, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Guns n Roses sound nothing like The Smiths, they look nothing like The Smiths, the lyrics are not even comparable (Morrissey being great, Axl being slightly less than great or even passable) and they appealed to different types of people. Plus one was a stadium rock outfit who were in it for the money the drugs and the groupies. One was an indie group that changed people's lives and changed the course of British music.
Now do you understand? The two have nothing in common. And I repeat: they didn't even sound alike. AND whether you like it or not, The Smiths are still seen as great, brilliant etc, Gunsn Roses are seen as crap, a joke band etc.
So the two have even left different legacies.
If you still like Guns n Roses in the year 2002 you must be American in which case aren't you better off attending Counting Crows concerts and nuking third world countries or building McDonald's in developing nations than debating this thread?
Q.: How the hell does that get a degree let alone become accepted for a masters?
A.: Evidently she goes to the UK, and applies for the same masters program as you.
― nabisco%%, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
"I will say this as well - The Manics are not best suited to be compared to Guns n Roses either. A far better band that changed lives and kicked ass on stage."
But That Bloke Out Of Manic Street Preachers admitted himself that he wanted his band to be a mix of Guns 'N' Roses and Public Enemy!!
No.
P.S. Yes you're right - the Manics did actually want to be a UK Guns n Roses/ Public Enemy. They were far too good to be the former in my humble opinion.
P.P.S Funny yank story no.987 - I switched on Brass Eye one night and was killing myself laughing when one of the Americans got up and left, having neither laughed nor been offended. 'You know I don't think I get this type of humour' she said in her vacant Texan growl.
― doom monger, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Josh, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s woods, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― DG, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel --, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Queen I am neither Buffy nor the Messiah G, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think that having read the thread there seems to be far more of a connection than I would've thought abt before but I have never given much thought to Guns and roses (its just time and place, I guess).
Both bands are something you grow out of but you'll always remember the happy memories they gave you. In terms of sound it's different and the same. I definetely get the stones' comparison to both and lyrically they did appeal to adolescents, just like every other band who had some degree of success. Guns n'Roses are surely more in the minds of other bands because they were huge. The smiths had a few chart hits in the UK but were a cult following.
Nirvana's seuccess of course, is due to the use of the power chord. they were a heavy metal band with diff. lyrical themes (though maybe not so far from the Roses). grunge is what you get when you splice punk w/heavy metal.
Its amazing to think Calum has a degree. He is acting like some bad comedian out of the 1970s (Bernard Manning comes to mind). No wonder Mark E Smith hates students. Like nabisco, i thought he must have been 13 or so. It boggles the mind.
''Sorry, everyone for acting embarrassingly like Julio and even bothering to engage over this one.''
Oh, come off it Nabisco...the way ILM is constructed, you can get into arguments that just snowball. You have argued at quite a lenght too and so have quite a few on the Sleeper thread. But yes, it is time to stop and get back into more constructive, thought-provoking discussions.
― Julio Desouza, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel --, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos III, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel --, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
On the website Smith & Wesson, I could find only superficial similarites. 1. Controversial lyrics: not uncommon (great for publicity as well) Now if they had controversial lyrics for the *same* reason,then I would've been more impressed. But as it is, Moz's controversial lyrics are not nearly as controversial as "faggots, niggers, hating immigrants" of GNR's. 2. Bands featuring "one-named" members. Common as well. 3. Neither singers used their real name. Typically it's the singer who is "one-named" in which case obviously he would not be using his real name. Name-changing is quite common.4. Both lead guitarists are from the UK, and neither used their real name. Here we go with the name thing again. Is it that big of a deal to mention it 3 times? It is interesting that both were from the UK however..5. Members of both bands declare their supremacy. Quite common as well.
In the end, these parallels don't really stand out much.
The only major parallels I see between the two are the following:1. Both GNR and The Smiths served to creating a huge buzz in their respective music worlds with continued fascination to this day.2. Both bands seemed to have arrived at a musically dreary period and helped rejuvenate the music scene. 3. Both bands thrived on controversy. 4. Axel on quest for
― anonymoususer, Saturday, 12 October 2002 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link
the strokes' first impressions of earth = what "guns 'n' roses as the american version of the smiths" really sounds like? use your illusion I + strangeways?
― dancing chicken (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 30 January 2006 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link
(I still stand by my Weezer comparison as being apt for late nineties/early this decade time. Now, not so much.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 January 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 30 January 2006 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link