― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago) link
94 yeah there woz pills around (some of them in my tum) but E had ceased to be the paradigmatic vibe-setter. there weren't any tunes hymning E by 94 but there were lots of tunes about herbalist and ganja lover
i wouldn't actually say a drug element was integral to the Nuum, at least not any specific drug. the only thing maybe that's consistent all the way through every kind of pirate music is weed. but that's not unique to that scene
i think what really defines the h-core Nuum is the transposition of a Jamaican way of doing things onto UK club culture -- the dubplates, the riddims, the bass presha, the MC... pirates i think of as equivalent to the big sounds in JA, instead of a lawn they have a broadcast area. Same cut throat rivalry, same repping their local manor, same ties with shady folk
H-core Continuum = the mishmashed up only-in-Britain/mostly-in-London meeting of house music and Jamaica.
― simonr, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 03:05 (twenty years ago) link
― ''''''', Wednesday, 28 January 2004 09:09 (twenty years ago) link
ok so if you say drugs is not a core element of the "Nuum" then we'll ignore that, but the influence of house music is now almost completely erased from the Nuum's latest thread...
― martin (martin), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 09:32 (twenty years ago) link
Main Auditorium : Old Skool Special
RATPACKDJ EZ (Kiss 100FM)NICKY BLACKMARKETSLIMZEEDJ YANKEEGEORGE D (Country Club)
MCs : Everson Allen, Ranking, Special MC
Arena 2 : UK Garage / RnB Classics
PIED PIPERSTEVE COURTNEYENTERTAINMENT CREWJOHN RUSSELLDJ KV
Arena 3 : hosted by TEKNOLOGY. Jungle, Drum and Bass
PHAZE-ONEDJ FADEREM-TEKDOUGHBOY & CARNAGEMC FLEXA
― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 10:20 (twenty years ago) link
― martin (martin), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 10:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 10:51 (twenty years ago) link
Upthread you get a lot of stuff abt 2step soundtracking the 'late nineties boom'. Obviously it was the late nineties: but has anyone here thought about how that was a boom exactly, and who benefits from a boom?
I mean the big effects of the 'bust' (which doesn't compare with 1931, 1981) haven't been particularly street-level: far as I know there's been no increase in unemployment, so in fact some things are better now than in 1988-92, economically.
The big economic 'downturn' has affected the financial markets -- but this means pension schemes, banks, insurance companies.
Apart from the international scene, what makes 2004 'grimier,' economically, politically, socially, than 1999?
― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link
― ''''''', Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:04 (twenty years ago) link
― jon b, Saturday, 31 January 2004 10:29 (twenty years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link
72 results found:
― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link
anyway isnt the main diff, the real pivotal switch from pre-grime dance to grime that the MCs are the real draws now, not the DJs nor the producers?
also, the new skepta tune duppy is interesting cos its a 4-4 tune, and honestly, its all the better for it. its dancey, when roll deep Mc over it, its got bounce, some movement, its not all stupidly stiff
the other thing about grime that might tie it to some previous other dance musics is that a lot of it is so amateurish
― fucker, Monday, 31 October 2005 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link
LOL. this hasnt exactly changed has it?
"sometimes i think the more the uk mcs try to imitate and assimilate to american standards of mcing they'll lose what they had before, the english quirkiness and parochial charm. while not gaining an iota in terms of a chance of breaking into america"
totally OTMbasically grime is an outlet for everyone who wanted to make rap music in the UK but felt uk hip hop was too derivative and unoriginal, so gravitated towards grime with optimism. but most of the MCs havent really been up to standard, and me personally, i miss not so much the patter, but just the difference between pay as u go and the type of stuff wiley tries to make these days, all the energy on record is mostly gone from his voice, the speed is AWOL, all that early more fire and PAUG and so solid stuff was so good cos their voices werent like hip hop ones, the flows werent, the beats def werent, and it was fresh, and individual....theyre trying to concentrate on ther content when most of the time, they dont really have any. they should stick with the flowing side of things, cos really, not many mcs are good outside of the pirates, i dont know why, maybe its a lasting element of the old rave/jungle MC pitfalls
― fucker, Monday, 31 October 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link
i'd like to have heard 'duppy', but cameo's irrelevant lately, lioness blog is slacking and the rinse fm stream never ever works. and the forum's locked so you can't get old sets. frankly unacceptable. and when are aftershock getting their supposed radio 1 slot?
(if 'duppy' totally sounds like broken beat then i might have heard it! with an uptown top ranking 'no pop no style' sample intro? coulda sworn it was a jammer beat mind)
also i don't think worry (meh) over american influence covers only mcing - ruff sqwad are (still!) so far up dipset's arse sometimes it's getting silly now.
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 31 October 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 31 October 2005 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― hi, Monday, 31 October 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link
but then when ruff sqwad spit over an untouched mop/heatmakerz instrumental and release it as a b-side... really what is the point.
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 31 October 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― hi, Monday, 31 October 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― hi, Monday, 31 October 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
*cue all of the internet pointing and laughing at hold tight the hypocrite*
fucker's points have been done to death everywhere you look.
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 31 October 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― hi, Monday, 31 October 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link
im up for some reactionary nostalgia a la 2001
― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 31 October 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Monday, 31 October 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link
more gun crime in london? its hard to tell sometimes with grime how pronounced the influx of urban decay in london really is or if its just part and parcel of the actual genre, i.e. its de facto POV
― DTI, Monday, 31 October 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link
errm so:
still tippin, dipset, 'running' by the game, jamrock, summer bounce riddim, the throw-riko-a-bone dancehall mix of 'shake a leg' is on scoobay riddim, what else
i dunno
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 31 October 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― DTI, Monday, 31 October 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― sistermidnight, Monday, 31 October 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link
reactionary nostalgia it is then
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 31 October 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― sistermidnight, Monday, 31 October 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 31 October 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― DTI, Monday, 31 October 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link
New Kornel Kovacs LP has some poptimist-tinged broadcasts from the continuum. https://kornelkovacs.bandcamp.com/album/hotel-kokoUsch is some Nordic garage, works for me but maybe too polished for some. Get Goofy comes a little harder — I’m not sure the vocal totally works tho.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Friday, 21 October 2022 14:37 (one year ago) link
A lot of chatter about the new Burial release but I it’s hard for me to get worked up about, he tends to be same-y imo. I do think we should have the intention of reviving every different ardkore continuum-adjacent thread if possible.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Friday, 21 October 2022 14:40 (one year ago) link
honestly i think RS might be one of the most overrated crews in grimesure they have some moments of brilliance/greatness, but they usually pad it out with real sub-dipset crapthey had underground which was amazing, then on the b side they put that rubbish heatmakers-gone-grime tracki want to like them cos grime bloggers love em so much but they seem really inconsistent. i think they just want to make hip-hop really, but somehow ended up in grime (thinking about that now, that might a common dilemma)i wonder when the next wiley agenda adjustment will come, its been quite a while.― hi, Monday, 31 October 2005 14:28 (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
That's just an absolute crock. Ruff Sqwad >>>
― paolo, Saturday, 22 October 2022 09:55 (one year ago) link
why is it the hardcore continuum and not the reggae continuum or the disco continuum or something else? what motivates critical attention on this lineage over others? is it something about establishing a narrative throughline for specifically british-based electronic/dance musics? and is it supposed to be prescriptive in some way (which would make sense of bizarre things like jazz influences in jungle being talked about as somehow extraneous or intrusive)?
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Saturday, 22 October 2022 13:02 (one year ago) link