Greatest Rap Album of all Time?

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That's funny, I don't remember Slint's EP being the one that received absurd critical praise while it affirmed that they had nothing worthwhile to say or anything worth listening to to contribute to the history of music.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

By which I mean put it on in the dark and listen intently and it captivates and scares the shit out of you like some sort of emotional equiv. of scrubbing yrself with pumice.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, right on. Sorry.

That album just really really bugs the crap out of me, makes my skin CRAWL...but I'm quite a weirdo; I put the Latyrx album on my greatest-of-all-time, what's that say about me?

;D

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

no mention of Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded ? probably still my fave after all these years

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm surprised Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... has only gotten like one mention so far. It's a record I can listen to in its entirety every time I put it on, never gets old... it sums up everything good about Wu-Tang Clan in one album. I love it.

Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

A second (or is that fourth?) vote for Midnight Marauders, which only gets better with age. It doesn't hit you like the best rap album of all time, but I'm starting to believe it might be (or at least tie with It Takes a Nation in my heart of hearts...).

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 24 January 2003 05:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Majesticon album is that good, too. It's so annoying that ethan's right all the time!

Dan I., Friday, 24 January 2003 07:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

greatest as in most exciting to listen to today:
ODB - N***a Please
Dre - Chronic 2001 (miles above the original chronic altho I guess it won't go down in history as such..)

Fabfunk (Fabfunk), Friday, 24 January 2003 09:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

greatest as in best ever:

illmatic
the infamous
ENTER THE WUTANG : 36 CHAMBERS (hello?)
ready to die
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (hello?!?)
ironman
blueprint

gi66y, Monday, 27 January 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full
EPMD - Strictly Business

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I do agree with the _Midnight Marauders_ talk, but it makes me sad that people don't agree that _The Low End Theory_ is just as good.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I personally hold all Tribe albums (except that last one...blargh!) in the highest of esteem amongst all albums evah.

BTW, I think Run DMC's Raising Hell has been mentioned far too few times in this thread.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Low End Theory is grebt. Audio Two had a great debut.

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

i really can't understand all this tribe luv

gi66y, Monday, 27 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Fear of a Black Planet'. From the meagre number of rap albums I've heard, at least.

But 'Low End Theory' would make my top 5.

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's tons of Tribe luv because Q-Tip, Phife and Ali Shaheed Mohammed are geniuses.

_Fear Of A Black Planet_ is the best PE album, although _Nation of Millions..._ is very, very, very, very, very good (if only for "Night Of The Living Baseheads").

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yo! Bum Rush the Show! was fucking brilliant too. My Uzi Weighs A Ton!

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Low End is GRATE but CLASSIQUE? Like no way. Go for sth Kool Keith (Ultra Mag MCs) or Public Enemy

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

_Low End.._ is a stone classic. That album and _De La Soul Is Dead_ changed my life.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dre - Chronic 2001 (miles above the original chronic altho I guess it won't go down in history as such..)

Why do you think so? I like 'em both about the same. Only thing is the first Chronic is easier to listen to since it has all its great tracks loaded up for the first half of the album, while 2001 has them scattered about. (more skipping around, see?) But it doesn't really matter since I just listen to a mix-cd of both of them anyway.

Capital Punishment is good, yes.

original bgm, Monday, 27 January 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Eminem The Marshall Mathers LP
L'Trimm Drop That Bottom
The Beastie Boys License to Ill
Cypress Hill
The Real Roxanne

But rap/hip-hop is not an album genre, so this list is not representative of my taste in Roxannes.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 1 February 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Back when this thread started, I remember thinking I'd have to bring up Breaking Atoms if no one else got around to it.

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 2 February 2003 02:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
Yo, G, don't call this a comeback, 'cuz this thread ain't never left!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Fantastic" by Wham!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nation of Millions -- Public Enemy (it's true)
Illmatic -- Nas
The Score -- Fugees
3 Feet High and Rising -- De La Soul
The Slim Shady LP -- Eminem

chris herrington, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

So I'm all like "ew" looking at my old post...

...oh, and LIQUID SWORDS!!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

esp.:
b.i.g. - life after death
2pac - all eyez on me

but also:
master p - ghetto d
gangstarr - daily operations
ugk - riding dirty
black moon enta da stage
big l - lifestyles ov da poor and dangerous
8ball and mjg - in our lifetime
might be on the list, aside from stuff already mentioned.


d k (d k), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

damn, how come Ice-T's The Iceberg isn't getting any love here?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

because O.G. Original Gangster kicks its ass

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like Liquid Swords, The Low End Theory, 3ft High & Rising and Nation Of Millions.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, I like quite a bit more hip hop than just those; but they're the four I'd posit as 'the best evah' if you put a gun to my head. The best evah that I've heard, obv. Cos I ain't really a hip hop head.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Revive!

Death Certificate is mentioned in this thread, but how come no one's said AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted? I hadn't been listening to that record in years (I only had it on tape), but then I spotted and bought the reissue which also adds the Kill at Will ("Dead Homiez"!) EP to the package, and damn what a package! Even though it's produced by the Bomb Squad it's better than anything made PE (this is a highly personal opinion, I know, I just happen to like Ice Cube's flow and delivery a lot more than Chuck D's). I'd completely forgotten how good Cube was before he became a Hollywood star; I guess I should by the the Death Certificate reissue next.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

it's a source of constant amusement to me how CORNY I was under my "old" ILM name (where I was kind of a great example of "nu-ILM" thinking on this subject)! but I still think that hip-hop can incorporate a lot of different styles and that all of them are valid.

and now that I've said that, let's all salute the genius that is L.L. Cool J's Walking With a Panther, which decimates Frank Kogan's non-argument about hip-hop not being an album genre.

Neudonym, Monday, 14 July 2003 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

Wow. Can't believe not one person mentioned the only hip-hop album I can think of that works, 100 percent, as an album:

Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Mecca And The Soul Brother. Not one bad track. No instrumental interludes. NO FUCKING SKITS. Just flow, flow, flow for 75 minutes.

Other nominations from me:

New Kingdom, Paradise Don't Come Cheap (Funkadelic circa 1970 meets Godflesh)

Schoolly D, Smoke Some Kill

Genius/GZA, Liquid Swords

Sensational, Loaded With Power

Ol' Dirty Bastard, Return To The 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

New Kingdom, Paradise Don't Come Cheap

Wonderful album. Did they only have the two releases?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but they re-constituted as Truckstop and put out an EP on WordSound. Vinyl-only, though, so I've never heard it.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

I'll second Tuomas on AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted being better than any other PE albums. Hearing the Bomb Squad trying to do West Coast gangsta funk is like if El-P started drinking cough syrup and discovered the Houston/Memphis stoned beat-crawl. And the dichotomy of agitpunk skree and backyard chill plays itself out perfectly in Cube's articulately inarticulate misanthropy. It's a total flawed masterpiece, and it totally makes my top five as of right now, which goes like this:

1. Outkast - Aquemini (so much better than Stankonia, total definition of an aesthetic)
2. Brand Nubian - One for All (why hasn't anyone mentioned this one? It's so goddam good!)
3. Eminem - Slim Shady LP
4. Ol Dirty Bastard - N****a Please
5. Ghostface - Supreme Clientele

Oh. I guess Cube doesn't make the list after all. Fuck. Never mind. He's like #7 maybe behind the Blueprint.

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:20 (twenty years ago) link

No instrumental interludes

Um, yes there are.

oops (Oops), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah -- this year's reissue of AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted has made me rethink my favoring of Fear as the Bomb Squad's best. (And I always thought it was superior to Death Certificate.)

I know I mentioned Breaking Atoms upthread, but I don't know what I'd place as the first now. AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted? Fear of a Black Planet? Liquid Swords? Live and Let Die? The Blueprint? Supreme Clientele?

Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:11 (twenty years ago) link

yeah what the fuck, mecca and the soul brother is ALL ABOUT the fucking instrumental interludes!!! theyre aight though i like that tight lil loop before t.r.o.y.

trife (simon_tr), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

is that the 'Jagger the Dagger' one? you can't beat that, um, beat.

oops (Oops), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

andy, main source doesn't stand a chance (future-historically speaking) without a cd reissue. but I heard some of the tracks recently and they're really good. I wish I could find the rest so I could hear the whole thing.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:43 (twenty years ago) link

in the ilx best albums poll a couple years ago me and andy were the only ones who voted for it!!!

trife (simon_tr), Monday, 14 July 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

Endtroducing and Paul's Boutique

Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

i would like to do some experiments on you

trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

there ain't no rapping on Endtroducing, pardnah.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:15 (twenty years ago) link

endtroducing is why hiphop sucked in 96 (why it didnt: all eyez on me, drop a gem on em, tha crossroads, woo hah got you all in check, lil kim debut, hell on earth, reasonable doubt, tried by twelve, foxy brown f blackstreet)

trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

Resurrection and Illmatic are my two favorites. The two best examples of emceeing throughout a whole album both of which happen to be accompanied by great beats. De La Soul Is Dead, Low End Theory and ...Nation of Millions... probably round out the top 5 for me.

Does anyone actually think Common now is anywhere near as interesting an MC as he was at Resurrection?

Matt Kasper..., Tuesday, 15 July 2003 03:16 (twenty years ago) link

I just looked at the little list I posted.

I've never even heard two of the things I listed. (Gangstarr, Black Moon.) And I don't like All Eyez on Me. I don't understand why I would lie about that. I wanted to seem worldly or something, I guess.

d k (d k), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 03:33 (twenty years ago) link

So I'm all like "ew" looking at my old post......oh, and LIQUID SWORDS!!!
-- nickalicious (nza2342...), May 14th, 2003.

Nick, I know that feeling so well.

The thing about picking "greatest" things and just making canons in general is that there's always these albums that, while you'd never want to put them in that Greatest position, they'd always win if you listened to them end-to-end with any of the albums one would want to canonize. Like Dead Prez's "Let's Get Free".

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 04:03 (twenty years ago) link


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