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in other web scandals, i hear this kid doesn't even really like pokemon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIYmVraRsv0&search=POKEMON%20KID

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

ouch. ott brings the smackdown.

― p-rez, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Ott on some Calzaghe ish with that post!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

pwn

― Jimmy Mod: The Prettiest Flower In The Pond (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Grandsonned.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)

This thread has been locked by an administrator because that post can't really be topped

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

I guess I spoke too soon.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

"when you put forward a step-by-step condemnation of a guy's business ethics and credibility on one of the most important publications in his industry. You didn't realize how serious it played, you didn't treat it with the scrutiny required: you fucked up, you got called out"

do the publications that hire really young and green journalists teach them anything about the rules of journalism and covering their asses and on and on ...aka the basics?, b/c obviously for alot of these kids its not a common sense thing. i'm not just sticking up for the loser, it just seems like if you're gonna hire these kids and exploit their freshness, you should have an editor who's really on top of things and maybe give your writers some sort of journalism 101 class.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Susan— Even if they'd just teach them that THEY WILL GET CAUGHT.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

JC G of Stop Smiling borrowed a Mouse on Mars album from me like ten years ago and never gave it back.

― the watchtower, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

THE PLOT THICKENS

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)

it just seems like if you're gonna hire these kids and exploit their freshness, you should have an editor who's really on top of things and maybe give your writers some sort of journalism 101 class.

Or they can hire enthusiastic young folks who actually went to journalism school.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

beefaroni

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:37 (twenty years ago)

except they want smart precocious kids who are really excited b/c they've maybe never had a voice before so they can jack off, who have no concept of history so they can be obsessed with trends of the last 2 years, and give us all the details of useless social trends and bullshtit. and this does not mesh with the rest of journalism - industry with long history, VERY sober serious side, strict rules. if i were pitchfork i'd be worried and feel some responsiblity. also village voice and the other publications that exploit the freshness/young thing.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

this "won't somebody please think about the children" line of argument is nauseating. give young writers some credit for knowing right from wrong. it is common sense.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

otm.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:11 (twenty years ago)

not to mention that poor little lost nick sylvester is a harvard grad with a couple of years of clippings under his belt, not a mewling infant

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm getting tired of the j-school suggestions. I know a lot of writers who didn't go to j-school (myself included) who know what the hell they're doing. J-school doesn't make someone a writer.

― Je4nne Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

(I know that's not what you were saying per se, Whiney. I'm just spouting off.)

― Je4nne Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

there are some people on this board who are just CONSTANTLY wrong.

multiple xposts

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, clearly nobody with a j-school background writes for pitchfork

― marc h. (marc h.), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:27 (twenty years ago)

i'm not hoping they should hire only journ. school kids either. alos, i like pitchfork's writers.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:34 (twenty years ago)

are you custos's mom?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

ran across another Nick review and enjoyed it (thanks for the Daft Club reminder upthread!):
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/l/love-is-all/nine-times-that-same-song.shtml

― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Weezer: "Beverly Hills"
genre: modern rock

The only thing worse than this song's "ironic" 1-4-5, "ironic" lyrics, and "ironic" guitar solo are the people who genuinely like it all. You know the type-- he threw the party in Lowell House last week that had "Laid" and "Instant Pleasure" and "You Shook Me All Night Long" and "TNT" and "Baba O'Riley" on his Winamp playlist. He hung "Must Be 21 to Drink" signs on the walls between his Belushi poster and the inkjet printout of Carmen Electra wearing suspenders. He made a point of telling everyone he bought Smirnoff Ice "for the ladies." He wears flip-flops year-round, studies government, and at last count, has five different nicknames for his dick.

Actually I thought of one more thing worse than this song: all the L.A. kids smart enough to get Cuomo's joke, but still lame enough to quote the song's chorus in their AIM profiles when they really miss their big fucking houses and Harvard-Westlake proms and "animal-style" slabs of cowshit-- the world's most overrated sandwiches in the world's most overrated city. For Chrissake, somebody give Cuomo a star so we can forget about him again. [Nick Sylvester]

― T/S: Pinks/Oki Dog/Scoobys/Tail o' the Pup (Bent Over at the Arclight), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

thk you for the illustration.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

steely dan rules, you bastard. xxxxpost to bd

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Susan, now lash out at Stylus

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

i like you shook me all night long and tnt. a lot.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

why is it bad to like good songs???

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

This thread needs to sink like the heavy turd it is real soon now.

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

But there's the Lookner/Lucien conundrum.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:52 (twenty years ago)

i have been wondering about that from the beginning.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)

through the looking glass!

― erklie (erklie), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Wow...it just gets better and better! They're both still employed for what now?

― Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Style and a certain inelucatable panache.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

has there ever been a cologne named "Panache"?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

We need to get on that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Words you have never heared spoken...

inelucatable

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:04 (twenty years ago)

You haven't hung around me often enough. (We must correct that on a future visit of mine.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:45 (twenty years ago)

way back on the thread now but those letters really pissed me off. not a single one attacked the journalistic wrongness of the voice pulling the web article. i bet that they got some letters along those lines too.

and haha for "balance" to pick a few "who cares if he lied" letters? ffs.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:59 (twenty years ago)

the journalistic wrongness of the voice pulling the web article

please elaborate.

― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 9 March 2006 01:55 (twenty years ago)

compare to, e.g. the 'monkeyfishing' slate article i linked above.

or compare to if the ny times pulled judith miller's cooked articles on iraq from its online archive or etc.

the fact that they published wrong stuff is part of their journalistic and factual record and removing the "evidence" of it is dodging accountability.

also c.f. the gawker's point about one mr. "lucien"

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 March 2006 02:24 (twenty years ago)

yeah that lucien thing is really damning for the whole paper.

― erklie (erklie), Thursday, 9 March 2006 02:30 (twenty years ago)

I don't know about "journalistic wrongness," but I don't dig the pulling of the article. They are trying to unring a bell. It's as silly as if these media outlets tried to erase history (albeit on a much smaller scale, fortunately for Nick):

http://preemptivekarma.com/truman.jpg

http://steveterrell.blogspot.com/NYPOST.jpg

It can be kept on the website with the appropriate disclaimers and links to the appropriate responses by all parties.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 9 March 2006 02:34 (twenty years ago)

992

― blunt (blunt), Thursday, 9 March 2006 02:36 (twenty years ago)

I don't see any journalistic wrongness in pulling that. At all.

Also, media outlets all know that something like that is not disappearing. I'm not sure that legal threats regarding the veracity of the reporting would inspire the Voice to pull it off the site in order to make an honest effort to stop distribution.

― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 9 March 2006 02:51 (twenty years ago)

"the letter that presumably, like Janet Cooke’s Pulitzer and Adam Penenberg’s reporting on Jukt Micronics, set in motion Sylvester’s unmasking"

Gawker in continued eyeball-gouging agony shocka.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 9 March 2006 02:55 (twenty years ago)

6 left

― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 9 March 2006 03:12 (twenty years ago)

Re: the Voice's Letters... Respected screenwriter in not-knowing-the-difference-between-"who"-and-"whom" shocker!

― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 9 March 2006 03:57 (twenty years ago)

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