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"believe or not, i haven't heard it. i imagine i might!"

You should Vahid, it's fantastically cheesy for a thirteen minute minimal track.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

the sinner in me remix is fantastic, especially when it's pitched up slightly like in the mp3 someone posted before the official mix leaked

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

i was wondering about that! a lot of times i have been totally into a track until i realized it was pitched up for a mix, then when i hear it in full form it seems to be missing some energy.

is the version in the villalobos fabric birthday mix at the correct speed??

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

official version, judge for yourself: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5i97sd

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

5iCK

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

that was uberboring atleast on first listen.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

(obvious zing skipped)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of Schwarz/DM remix... there's a great moment in an afterparty mp3 i have where Ricardo mixes a track from that live CD under the first half of The Sinner In Me. fits perfectly.

which show is this? i think all the afterparty mp3s i have are way old...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

listen more, susan!

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

sonic pusher! aaaaaah okay.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 06:00 (nineteen years ago)

toby: 2006-03-25 Sunrise Bucharest Afterparty - Ricardo Villalobos & Raresh.mp3

― a (rslvd), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

ha, i just looked and i already have that on my ipod! don't know that i've ever listened to it though (and who's raresh?).

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

you don't know who raresh is?!?!?!

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.raresh.net/birthday/

http://www.raresh.net/birthday/images/DSC05752.jpg

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

"Fizheuer" = emperor's new underpants

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

i mean i "get it." but c'mon.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Finally someone's with me on this.

― Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't have the balls to say it here but i agree

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

i guess it's all a matter of context -- i.e. it's just a dj tool that's been, for whatever reason, epically extended -- but i don't remember other music flogging purpose makers as a standalone listening experience.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

it also kinda feels like..."bulgarian marching band! what?? wow!" of course, no one would blink if basement jaxx incorporated bulgarian marching band horns into their music. however, since it's part of the "minimal" world... (see also timbaland vs. some dude producing album tracks on the young dro album or whatever.)

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

i heard it was the chilean natl anthem

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

It's not.

― Dan Barramouss (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

hmm, guess not

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Although the horns at the start of the Chilean national anthem could probably be cut up and used in a funk carioca tune. Get on it Diplo you carpet-bagger you!

― Dan Barramouss (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but if basement jaxx incorporated bulgarian marching band horns, who'd know? because they'd be slathered in layer after layer of irrelevant detail, then hyper-compressed until it all sounded like an FM radio jingle. i see jaxx's eclecticism as a pretty typically postmodernist leveling, so that one thing = all other things, whereas villalobos' is far more modernist in its attention to the object's singularity. (villalobos' approach to the "exotic" is here more like picasso or brancusi.)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

The whole "dj tool" think I don't subscribe to -- I guess it's a "tool", but not really in a different way than any lengthy, minimal track is -- it doesn't have a lot of peaks and valleys, which I guess makes it easy to insert randomly into any set of tunes, but that doesn't make it just a tool to me. Fizheuer is a very pleasing tune for me; the big brass band parts are okay, but I actually really love the more subtle brass band figure that plays throughout most of the track, the sample that gives some tonic center to whole thing. Just hearing that, even divorced of a beat, I would like. But I also like the things villalobos does with the beat, how things drift in and out of the song, maybe similar to what you'd hear in a steve reich piece, where the phasing creates these islands of rhythmic counterpoint. These little islands seem pretty significant to me when I'm listening to this, because they form the only real structure for the thing.

Also helpful: this tune isn't something I'm honing in on with my full attention the entire time it plays. I don't feel bad for allowing myself to drift in and out -- kind of like I wouldn't feel bad for allowing my attention to detail to drift in and out were I dancing (or exercising) to this music. Nevertheless, the second I hear it come on, it's like a little injection of seratonin, everything just picks up.

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

my routine these days: come home from work around 4 or 5 pm, it's already gloomy if not dark, i'm wound up from being w/ teenagers all day, need to relax to get some writing done. drink herbal tea and turn on the disc changer.

disc 1: chill out or die vol IV disc 1
disc 2: chill out or die vol IV disc 2
disc 3: chill out or die vol III
disc 4: alcachofa
disc 5: recent slow'n'epic villalobos tracks (remixes, fizheuer, etc)

it all works very well together!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

haha i feel like ronan

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

can i also just say that i agree w/ everything dominique said upthread, and i think his comments express my attitude towards "sinner in me" and "cell phone's dead" perfectly.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

"Oh, a 44 minute track! Aren't you just a genius Mr. Villalobos! WELL THE JOKES ON YOU."

xpost

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

yes but can you jog around the block to it?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

hmm.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

maybe i will listen to it on my long-ass bus ride tonite

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

i feel like i've crossed this weird threshold where i don't need villalobos albums to be "dance" anymore, i listen to him when i'm in the same mood that makes me put on irresistible force CDs or sun ra CDs or ash ra or stuff from the CLEAR label. when i want "dance" i'll put on his livesets but i just don't have the will to be judgemental about him not being "dance" right now when he's so damn good at what he's doing.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

driving from bay area to sunny d tonight ... ~500 miles, most of it through pitch-black unlit desert. i've got a good 8 hours of villalobos sets standing by ...

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

i'm wondering if my dissatisfaction with "fizheuer" comes with the fact that i've really been craving discrete, song-length tracks (and, uh, songs) with singing and verse-chorus-verse and whatnot these days. much like vahid the only time i'm listening to much longform instrumental music is when i'm trying to relax or going to sleep.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the next time i'm REALLY stressed out it will seem like a tonic.

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

(and for me "longform instrumental music" pretty much includes all minimal techno/house mixes.)

― my teeth are horrible, I'm gaining weight, I don't understand twelve-tone (dubpl, Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

~500 miles, most of it through pitch-black unlit desert. i've got a good 8 hours of villalobos sets standing by ...

I'm sort of jealous, Vahid. :)

And what Dominique said (I don't see any difference in use with say E2-E4. But then again I've heard my fair share of "you've gotta be kidding me" comments re. that record.)

Also getting into part 1 of the Fabric mix, he's razorsharp at the start, the he loses it for a bit and then...whoah...'Capataz'. What the fuck is that?

― Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

have you ever driven the desert before? this plan is highly HIGHLY unadvisable.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

*bat country*

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

Well, *of course* the horns have more impact on 'Fizheuer' than they would on a Basement Jaxx track. Often (but of course not always) the fewer elements there are on a track, the more those elements stand out. And Villalobos is capable of picking just the right few elements to make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck when you listen to it.

It's like, I was thinking '"Fizbeast"? That'll just be "Fizheuer" without the interesting bits, right?' And then last week I walked into a record shop that was playing it - and you know what? Those drums sound amazing on their own, really hypnotic and intense. I didn't want to leave the shop.

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

most "dj tools" i know are like 3 minutes long. the length of it seems more to me like a way to give three or four different angles into the song without doing explicit remixes of it. (or alternately a "bed" in which the DJ can lay three, four, five or even six other tracks! yay!)

fizheuer reminds me a lot of stuff i used to do with my roommate. he had a tape echo machine and a rogue moog and we didn't have an effects loop or anything but we did have two extra cheap radio shack mixers. one turntable would go into a mixer and out through the tape echo, and the other turntable would go into another mixer and out through the moog, then both would go into the DJ mixer and out to the speakers. often just the slightest tweak of the echo would be enough to cascade this huge rippling wave in the beat that would take minutes to resolve.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 November 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

I've been purposefully avoiding Fizheuer...for whatever reason. I really like the Depeche Mode remix...but I can't be bothered listening to Fizheuer, I don't even want an opinion on it, I know that probably sounds silly...

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

I actually do like Basement Jaxx's "Hey You" more than "Fizheuer Zizheuer".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 23 November 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think I like Bitches Brew more than 'Fizheuer Zieheuer', it also has some horns on it.

― Omar (Omar), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

(or alternately a "bed" in which the DJ can lay three, four, five or even six other tracks! yay!)

I think if this is done well it could sound incredible.

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha Omar, but I was referring to the comparison above.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

I know, I know...I was bit snarky (sometimes happens when Holy Cows of ILM are called in for no good reason...esp. in the case of something like F/Z, which I adore. ;)

― Omar (Omar), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

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