Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

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Lily vs. M.I.A. is a troubling decision.
reasonably familiar, safe, bourgoise, appealing, genuine knack for vocals
or

"new" sounding, abrasive/exciting/radical popette, charmless, vocally annoying, little ability to own her tunes

And which is who again?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:05 (twenty years ago)

This thread is doomed.

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:10 (twenty years ago)

and to reiterate, she put credence on her mixtape

― jergins (jergins), Friday, 5 May 2006 06:18 (twenty years ago)

lol look what I have started, I am of no relation to Lily Allen nor do I work for her! jus like the music and thought I should spread the word... which I think i have done succesfully.
I don't like the video, jus looks cheap, cant fault the songs though.

E-clex
www.eclex.bravehost.com

― E-Clex (E-Clex), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:35 (twenty years ago)

It's spelt Creedence. And Creedence rule.

(x-post)

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:40 (twenty years ago)

is this the beginning of a Creedence revival?

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:42 (twenty years ago)

(and yes, I'm sorry)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:44 (twenty years ago)

You'd better put some clear water between you and this thread....

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 May 2006 07:54 (twenty years ago)

Like Lady Sov or the miserable MIA if they had any talent At. All.

― David Orton (scarlet), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:02 (twenty years ago)

The best thing I can imagine this being is the new Betty Boo but I have a horrible feeling I'm going to be disappointed. What exactly are the words Belle and Sebastian doing on this thread?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:18 (twenty years ago)

keith allen’s daughter or not, she can write some sweet lyrics

That's the first thing I always look for in any form of music - good lyrics

― Vitbe... *pause*... Is Good Bread (Dada), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:20 (twenty years ago)

Wow this thread has gone from hype to backlash within the space of a week: that's a new ILM record!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:23 (twenty years ago)

This is feeling more "like" cheese vs. chalk every post, and I'm regretting the Lady Sov comment quite a bit.

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:25 (twenty years ago)

actually i think the first strokes thread STARTED as backlash.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:29 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't count then. I haven't looked but I assume the Dave Matthews band one did too.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 May 2006 08:56 (twenty years ago)

right, ok, i went to her myspace finally and she describes herself as "pop/indie/ska".

i never want to hear any of you so-called 'pop' 'kids' mention her name to me again.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 5 May 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Lily Allen.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 5 May 2006 09:32 (twenty years ago)

If it ain't grindie, Lex ain't fucking with it these days.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:00 (twenty years ago)

in grindie mode

― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:09 (twenty years ago)

Too bad Lex! I have now been made aware of exactly which "team" is working on this. I like LDN and will be blaring it out before I go out.

― suzy (suzy), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:18 (twenty years ago)

the 'mixtape' sounds good.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 5 May 2006 10:47 (twenty years ago)

dude the mix is GREAT! the only thing that lets it down is jammer's "go dj" (#15)

so's we don't get confused - "Go DJ" is by JAMMIN' (aka DJ Zinc) (NOT the later grime dude Jammer, whose early productions were routinely FABO!)
agreed re Zinc, most of that whole run of breakstep is dud
one tune at a time ain't bad though, whole night of em's excruciating

love Lily's mix!

― Paul (scifisoul), Friday, 5 May 2006 11:52 (twenty years ago)

'Go DJ' was good but obv. in '138 Trek' shadow. The version I had featured this great stringy bit.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 5 May 2006 12:08 (twenty years ago)

this music sounds like what would happen if someone locked nellie mckay in a room with only forced exposure's servicing as nourishment

― maura (maura), Friday, 5 May 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Listen to the mixtape now. Great so far.

"LDN" sounded pretty good on first listen, but I think that "Smile" song on the mixtape is even better, a lovely summer jam. Old bluebeat tune plus cheeky cockernee singing works for me.

― Jeff W, Friday, 5 May 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

this music sounds like what would happen if someone locked nellie mckay in a room with only forced exposure's servicing as nourishment

ROFFLE

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 May 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

9 is 'She taught me to yodel' by Peter Barry... and that '31 seconds' tune is called Valley of the Shadows by Origin Unknown from about 1993

Agree that 9 isn't Montana Slim as I'd originally thought, but, um, which one is that '31 seconds' tune? I'm still not getting a name for 7 some dancehall guy, 8 another dancehall guy, and 17 some funky dubby thing (one of which may be 31 seconds for all I know).

Only heard two or three Nellie McKay songs but once upon a time read scads of Forced Exposures, and I'm not perceiving Lily having much connection to either Nellie or FE. I suppose she's closer to them than to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, but still not particularly close. I mean, I doubt she's fucked a pig in her life.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 6 May 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, as far as I know, Lily got her first ILX mention on the teenpop thread, so classic.

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 6 May 2006 02:55 (twenty years ago)

#8 is selectah "wede man" on hoody records (1993)
-- DEEDS NOT WORDS (vfoz...) (webmail), May 4th, 2006 8:27 PM. (vahid) (later)

the jungle track at the end is origin unknown's "valley of the shadows (31 seconds)", omni trio VIP remix, right?
-- DEEDS NOT WORDS (vfoz...) (webmail), May 4th, 2006 8:29 PM. (vahid) (later)

uh, hello?

― Captain TeenTalk (vahid), Saturday, 6 May 2006 04:54 (twenty years ago)

Lily's stuff is pretty good! Not so much M.I.A. or Lady Sov for me - more like The Streets' "Let's Push Things Forward" meets Ms Dynamite's "Dynamitee" and lots of Lina. Lex you will really like it!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:12 (twenty years ago)

But her voice reminds me a lot of Martina Topley-Bird, plus the Morcheeba singer.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Who wants to bet Lily will voice a song on the next Basement Jaxx album?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:24 (twenty years ago)

(i meant forced exposure the publicity company, not the zine)

(also, i actually *like* this stuff! i listened to 'ldn' about six times yesterday.)

― maura (maura), Saturday, 6 May 2006 12:43 (twenty years ago)

http://www.lilyallenmusic.com/music/demos/5geuj0iedc/MyFirstMixtape.mp3

does this mean there's mnore than one mix? her site seems to be down...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 6 May 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

i meant forced exposure the publicity company, not the zine

I knew exactly what you meant!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 6 May 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Mark Ronson is pimpin' her stuff on his weekly radio show (stream available) :

Playlist for 05.05.06
(...)
Lily Allen Smile
Mark Ronson Oh My God feat. Lily Allen
(...)

oooh, and he's into our buddy Mickey Avalon too, apparently.

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 6 May 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

lets start talking major labels - do you think shes gonna get signed by jay-z to def jam or lil jon to BME? i think if lumidee can have a hit lily allen can have TEN hits! i cant wait til she performs on the grammies with ghostface, kelly clarkson, three 6 mafia, big'n'rich, clipse and dipset!!!

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Saturday, 6 May 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

I like the Lily song that's fourth on the mixtape quite a bit more than LDN. Less bouncy and twee-sounding, she does more singing.

― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 6 May 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

omg this is awesome! lex you are crazy if you don't listen to this!

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 6 May 2006 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Reminds me of McKay (not Nellie).

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Ian?

― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 6 May 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

"some sweet French Europop thing"

I had a cynical wish that this was going to be Desireless "Voyage Voyage"....

― al dada (JTS), Saturday, 6 May 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Actually just listened to "Shame On You," which does sound like something that Nellie McKay might do. Apologies. (And I'm still confused about which track on the mixtape is supposed to be General Levy and which Origin Unknown. That's what threw me. Sorry for being so dense.) (And still not knowing #7, either. Is #17 the General Levy? I've not heard General Levy before, obv., or Origin Unknown.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 11:49 (twenty years ago)

Lex won't like it, people who like pop in 'the wrong way' like it and she actually admits to being quite indie despite being a girl which as we all know makes her a GENDER TRAITOR. ;)

I want to like LDN - I really like her voice, that kind of crackly-forties-radio winsome tone, but I can't stand the lyrics and the tune's pretty flimsy. I got bored of the mixtape pretty quick as well, her songs didn't stand up that well with what surrounded them, sadness.

― permanent revolution (cis), Sunday, 7 May 2006 12:08 (twenty years ago)

"LDN" is the weakest tune of the ones I've heard though, i reckon. I much prefer "Shame For You" and "Not Big" and "Smile".

And many people who like M.I.A. are people who like pop "in the wrong way".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 7 May 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Frank, you should hear General Levy's "Diamonds & Pearls", a great ragga-pop take on SWV's "I'm So Into You" rhythm.

― Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 7 May 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I probably would want to hear General Levy's "Diamonds & Pearls," but I still don't know which song on the mixtape is General Levy's "Incredible." Is it 17 (which I dubbed "some funky dubby thing") or is it 21 ("some junglish dance hall thing")? If the latter, then which track is Origin Unknown "Valley of the Shadows (31 Seconds)"? And who does song 7? (Sorry to be obtuse, if I'm missing something or not hearing where the lyrics give it away; I only got four hours of sleep last night.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

My favorite pop group ever is the Rolling Stones c. 1965, unless it's the Stooges in the early '70s. So I probably listen to pop in the wrong way too. But I can see how fans of "Sunshine Superman" and "Cruel Summer" and "Steal My Sunshine" and "Summertime" (the Fresh Prince number) - e.g., me - would like "LDN" too, even if they somehow manage to listen to pop in the right way. It has "summer song" written all over it. (Not guaranteed to break big on U.S. radio, however, since "CHR Rhythmic" and "rock" stations will probably steer clear, and calypso ska hasn't been breaking on CHR Pop since No Doubt changed its sound.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Frank, I don't have Lily's mix open, but you can quickly hear what Origin Unknown "Valley Of The Shadows (31 Seconds)" sounds like (scintillating plinkyness), here:
http://www.htfr.com/vinyl/artist/?artist=ORIGIN_UNKNOWN
click on the second mp3 from the top, i.e. the one for the infamous shop's cat#: MR11235

― Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Paul.

had a cynical wish that this was going to be Desireless "Voyage Voyage"...

Which I've never heard, believe it or not, though I've got two different versions in Spanish ("Vuela Vuela"). What's cynical about wanting to hear it?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

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