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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 May 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

that is not a skinny puppy shirt.

― nosyd (dyson), Thursday, 6 May 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

WHY DO YOU HATE MR. BARRETT SO?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 May 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't hate the playa, hate the game etc.

― NadAgnev Yrrep (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Still no Canadian dates? What, will they tour Canada after returning from Europe? Does anybody know the reason for this?

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 May 2004 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i think, actaully i may've heard something about ogre catching shit at the boarder in the past.

― nosyd (dyson), Thursday, 6 May 2004 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Well this was supposed to be a mini-tour. A warm-up, with a much bigger tour to follow in the fall, after Europe. I can't see them leaving out Canada entirely and I'm sure they'll get there eventually, but I am surprised they didn't hit Vancouver during this leg of the tour. Maybe they wanted to keep it relatively small at first while they work out the kinks? It has been awhile since they've toured as SP. I heard something about them not wanting to give too much advance notice for this "mini-tour". ::shrug::

― kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Thursday, 6 May 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Got my tickets!!! Both nights in NYC. Totally psyched!

Just had to share.

― kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Saturday, 15 May 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Nicely done. Make sure they play "Deep Down Trauma Hounds".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i promised to a friend to go see the wildhearts on june 19th and now i am going to miss the skinny puppy boston show. but they play nyc on sunday so i could sleep in the park and go see it by i am not 18 anymore.

so is this a mini-tour or what?

― kephm, Friday, 21 May 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Mini tour before Europe, which basically kicks off a huge, and I mean huge, tour. According to a radio interview with Ogre just last night, they expect to wrap this one up around December or January and also plan on hitting places they never went to before. They will be back in NA in the fall.

Oh, and Alex? I don't think I have that kind of power but if they happen to play it... um I guess you can give me credit if you really want to. ;)

― kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Friday, 21 May 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

gracias, that is great news!

― kephm, Friday, 21 May 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

aye carumba! 20 years on and it's the same old story - i'm going to miss 'em live. someone shout out 'assimilate' for me. ta.

― stirmonster, Friday, 21 May 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw SP in about 1990. My wife (then my girlfriend) wanted to, and I went because I was her boyfriend and Godflesh were supposed to open up. They didn't. Justin had entry-visa problems (as he was wont to in those days) and we got some horrible band instead - Thought Industry, I think. Big disappointment for me. SP were okay; this was the tour when they had some kind of giant prop tree on the stage with stuff hanging off it. I heard the voice of Count Floyd in my head the whole night..."Ooooh, wasn't that scary, kids?"

The only album of theirs I really liked was Rabies. Feel free to write my opinion off completely.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 21 May 2004 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG WTF I didn't realize there was actually a NEW ALBUM out. Maybe I didn't read the thread carefully enough earlier on, but I now have the new one in my hands...getting it into my ears will happen later today.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

If it's all unplugged power ballads, don't tell us.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Well....

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

hows the new album? danny from tool plays drums on a track!

― chaki_burger (chaki), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

ive only heard half of it but it sounds a lot like the process, a little more programmed.

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

SP don't get enough credit for the scavenger hunt their samples lay out. 1,000,000 clues about kick-ass cult film, television, apocrypha etc; a big educational ave. for me, anyway

(like the process, eh? hrm ...)

― rejoinder, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Holy crap, this new album is like the soundtrack to Doom III, Quake IV or something. Rabies ahoyyyyy

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

My tickets turned up this morning for the London show.

Once more, ilX makes me spend all my money.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm.. hey Dan, where did you get the CD of that Dresden gig you mention right at the start? A good friend of mine flew all the way from Aus to Germany to see them in Dresden in 2000 (I think it was) for some show with other noise bands ( sort of Ant-Zen Glasto, or something I recall), and I know he mini-disced the show. If its a bootleg of something like his recording, that would tickle me greatly.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 06:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The Doomsday CD is pretty easily obtained from a number of sources. I think I ordered mine from Amazon of all places.

As for the new album.... it's kicking my ass. Hmm, maybe I should have mentioned there was a new album to go with the tour earlier, eh? :)

I wouldn't say it's like The Process (which has grown on me) all that much. Yeah, some of the elements are there, but it's more of a progression from that and other avenues they have explored before and since. I don't absolutely love everything on the album, but I could safely say there isn't anything I outright hate, which puts it ahead of Rabies (Fascist Jock Itch anyone?) and The Process (Cult... ugh) as far as I'm concerned. And there are at least five tracks that I really, really like (I'mmortal, Ghostman, Use Less, Goneja and DaddyuWarbash.) More are really growing on me each time I listen to it.

One might be tempted to say it's more accessible, and in many ways it is. Those that might have been turned off by Ogre's vocals before (never an issue for me... far from it) might find this one much easier to listen to. Some of the songs are downright catchy. Their sense of humor is also much more evident this time. Yeah, they're in a better mood than they were with... well, everything else, but I'm certainly not going to fault them that. People expecting to hear a rehash of older stuff will be disappointed, I'm sure. As for me, I've had it on repeat since yesterday. I'm really looking to seeing some of this stuff done live.

― kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I sense Dan's happiness before he even posts here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the CD I was talking about in my original post:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005NT2V/qid=1085579085/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-9644138-0400640?v=glance&s=music

I'm completely psyched for this new album, shocker. Also, "Fascist Jock Itch" was probably the one time that the Ministry pastiche craze of the time actually worked.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

more accessable¿ crap¡
i may be in for a let down when i buy this today.
i want noise dammit - i want dystortion and screaming i want vivisect again¡

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

'Tis the season for industro-revivaxxx! Ministry, Front242, now SP?! H

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

dyson, you are in for stinging disappointment.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

should i even buy it¿
(although, we all know i will)

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, to each his own and all that, Dan, but after all these years, I still can't listen to Fascist Jock Itch without cringing and reaching for the skip. And I liked Ministry at that time! :)

Dyson, yeah, you'll probably be disappointed if you're expecting Vivisect Vi... or any other SP album for that matter. And when I say "accessible," I mean accessible for Skinny Puppy, not in general. I don't think we'll see their videos in heavy rotation on MTV any time soon. Screaming is there, but it's at a minimum. Same goes for samples.

― kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i always thought vivisect vi was a pretty accessible album. the second half gets pretty intense, but it's no too dark park. maybe it's just my warped perception of what accessible is, but it does have testure on it...

― tricky disco, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(also, i'd like to use this thread to publicly acknowledge my hate for the way the older skinny puppy albums have been re-released on cd. am i the only one who abhors this? the mind:tpi release is particularly lame as it has tracks from a later album on it. actually the one i really hate is the bites and remission combination.)

― tricky disco, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

actually the one i really hate is the bites and
remission combination

Wasn't that one around since the late eighties?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

My perception of such things is also pretty warped, even more so when it comes to Skinny Puppy. :) Basically, if it doesn't sound like Knowhere? or Antagonism or well, pick one, I think it's more accessible for them. Vivisect Vi was the most accessible. Time will tell with TGWOTR but I do know that at least one person who ran screaming from earlier Puppy actually likes what she's heard so far.

― kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The only thing worse than what Nettwerk did with the CD re-releases is what they did to the DVD releases of the video collection and Ain't It Dead Yet?

I don't mind the extra tracks on the CDs so much, but why the hell did they put the 12" version of Dig It in place of the album version on M:TPI? And if I want the album version, I have to buy the 12" comp?! WTF?

― kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

something like that, ned. actually iirc, the original cd release combined the two. i think the best versions of both bites and remission are the cassettes.

what's even more annoying is that different versions of the cds have come out over the years (bites and remission being guilty on this count i believe).

― tricky disco, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the best versions of both bites and remission are the cassettes.

OTM OTM OTM OTM OTM OTM OTM

Although if you made me choose between the cassette versions of "Assimilate" and "The Choke" and the CD versions (which IIRC are the remixes) I would be PISSED.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Cripes, are we still discussing this? I thought we all agreed "Classic"!

Haven't heard the new one. Dare I?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i just went and check out greater wrong.

why did cevin have to patch things up with ogre- why couldn't he just have stayed in the studio and made another download album. or even just a sandwich or something.
that would've been much better.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 28 May 2004 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

That bad, eh?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 28 May 2004 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

well,
cevin can make a pretty mean sandwich

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 28 May 2004 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Opinions on this one have been split pretty cleanly right down the middle. Of course, that can be said about every other SP release too. I think a lot has to do with expectations. Those who disliked ohGr will probably be disappointed that Ogre didn't leave that all behind for TGWOTR and revert back to his old "style" of delivery. This seems to be one of the most common complaints at the moment, based on reviews I've seen so far.

I've heard about cEvin's skills with a sandwich (peanut butter I believe) before, so I don't think that was a total slam of the new album. :) And he even gets to sing on this one. The pitched-up vocals in Daddyu Warbash starting at :50 are his.

But hey, if you hate the album, at least the CD artwork is pretty darn nifty. Not that it should be a reason to buy it or anything, of course.

There is also a strong possibility, now that they have their own label (Hell-O dEathday, which might sound familiar to some,) that they will be re-releasing the back catalogue in a far more acceptable form.

― kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

after lots of years listening to the great SP i agree i wanted to hear some screams. i listened to it and thought this is nothing like the puppy from the old days. i've been waiting 10+ years for something new and have to say im very disapointed. i was hoping ohgr got the pop out of his system with the solo album and would bring back those hard ass beats and screams. music has got so much harder over the years since the last SP release that i was expecting something much harder.

― INSOMNIAC, Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i actually really liked the solo ohgr stuff.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

im still waiting for a tear garden tour. well, not really.

― kephm, Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

that would make me pee my pants

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 3 June 2004 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I loved the ohGr stuff as well. I don't think that affects why I like the new album either. I can just see why others might make a connection is all. There was always that "pop" thing going on just beneath the surface with many of the older songs, even as far back as Remission. Hell, especially Remission. At least I thought so when I first heard them. So now it's just a bit more obvious.

― kaliflwr (kaliflwr), Thursday, 3 June 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Completely OTM; my favorite SP albums are _Remission_ and _Bites_ largely because of the skewed pop sensibilities of those albums.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 June 2004 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

the new album is fuckin ace! i'm going to see them tomorrow night, can't wait!

― tricky disco, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

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