What's up with Daft Punk?

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'Supersonic' for one.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

pedant alert - i don't associate Todd Edwards with 'speed garage' - 'Face To Face' is a typical Edwards style track really. His remix of Phoenix 'If I Ever Feel better' is my favourite thing he's done tho, bar 'Steal My Heart'

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: Yeah, "Face to Face" is more generally sonically palatable and seems to have cleaner bass and less harsh hi-hats for example - but it's his own production style that serves to accentuate the helium nature of his vocal cut ups and leads to that frenzy of the voice which is a complete endorphin rush for me.

The Jaxx' "Hot & Cold" may sound a bit like "Face to Face" (the soft clang sounds, maybe?) but I don't see it as directly comparable to Edwards' own tracks.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I initially underrated Discovery, even though I knew almost instantly it would be my favourite album of the year. There were moments that I thought just didn't work as well as they could (mainly the slower stuff like "Quo Veridis"), but at some point - and perhaps Interstellar had something to do with this - I just hooked into the way those moments complement the more memorable tracks so well.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: Steve, I really disagree that "Face to Face" is typical of him. I only say that because virtually all his other tracks follow an extremely strict template which "Face to Face" contradicts on many levels - I mean it has an actual vocal related to the song, it's slower, it has isolated instruments, the snare doesn't sound like a whip etc. The effect of the breathy vocal cut ups is the same, but the construction is very different.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i see "hot&cold" as edwards-esque because of the micro-sampled and super-chopped orchestra hits that start the track off, the skippiness of the beat (though yeah, it's closer to a neptunes beat or something than a garage track, and not really similar to either) and there's a bit after the chorus where the singers' voice is like run backwards and masked and filtered into these breathy "oh-oh-oh"s that seems deeply indebted to edwards' (and probably early hardcore and other things too, i guess) if not directly from his playbook.

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't want to derail this lovely JAXX conversation but getting back to daft punk...

i for one was less concerned about bangalter's ears than i was about crydamoure's sudden and inexplicable dropping off (first in quality, and then in just dropping off the face of the earth).

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: Interesting take, I'm going to listen to it again when I get home(It's definitely THE "dance" track on 'Kish Kash,' if you will).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i've spent 10 minutes trying to decide whether or not dastoor meant his slip or not up there

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess they needed a break.

My fave Todd rip is 'Face In A Cloud' by Audio Bullys, back to Punk now.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Keep on deciding, bucko.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Can I, can I say something to you just this once?!
-- Gear?

Spit it out, dude.

MAN, this thread blew up.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

~~Nick:~~ "Harder! Better! Faster! STRONGO!!"

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

*sits on hands, wishes somebody would give me a clue why these guys are so popular aside from being 'really good'*

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

It's about hearts, not heads, Miccio.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i have to ~~get to someone to call me strongo while~~ hav~~ing~~ sex before i die

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Stevem summed things up nicely here: "these two acts have merged the art of electronic dance music with pop fun better and more imaginatively than anyone else ever did or probably will."

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I am going to see if I can work "Harder! Better! Faster! STRONGO!!" into my sex talk next time I get the opportunity.

N.B. It will not be with you.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"art of electronic dance music" sounds pretty damn heads not hearts to me.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah WTF that michaelangelo was practically an anatomist, wasn't he?

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

if their references were def leppard and late 80s billy joel instead of the doobie brothers and 10cc, i bet you'd like them

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant the "reason they are so popular" is +hearts -heads.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm listening to Discovery again and 'Superheroes' and 'High Life' are suddenly my favourites. It's the album that keeps on giving.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

The album mix of "One More Time" sounds so anemic and undanceable.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

where da BASS?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"SOMETHING ABOUT US" 4EVA

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the best mix of 'One More Time'?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I never use my head to appreciate music. I use my ass.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

argh. ILX just ate a paragraph response, but Jess is kind of on the right track with Def Leppard (though late '80s Billy Joel? If you mean I'd prefer it if they rapped about history then yeah, ok). My biggest problem with Daft Punk is how soft the beat feels. It's like the whole album is caked in vaseline. And don't give me the "Anthony doesn't like dance music" jive, ok? Say I don't like IDM, say I don't like Euro-trance whatever, but saying I don't like dance music is waaaay off target. I still have "Digital Love," "Face To Face" and "One More Time" on CD-R though, and I'm glad Scott Woods put "Bigger, Faster, Yadda, Strongo" on his Rough Guide To Vocoderism CD-R cuz it sounded better in that context.

but isn't the art of dance music PART of pop fun? In what way are they separate beasts?

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

One question: why do you hate dance music?

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

One question: why do you hate fun?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

ARGH! If anything this stuff doesn't strike me as dance enough! But I'm aggro (the six best tracks on Kish Kash blow this out of the water in Stevem's definition).

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Does a beat have to be loud for it be danceable? Does loudness/hardness of the beat = danceability? Is that a modern idea? Surely Daft Punk's "vaseline" beats are a Disco throwback?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't you ever felt the rhythm of dance grip you, CeCe?

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's dress up as robots and go to his house.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

So why did they have to pump up the drumz for da clubz, then?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

disco had some hard ass fucking beats

p.s. discovery is not a dance album

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

it's more folktronica probably

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

at least this thread isn't as bad as the one where I asked if Discovery is supposed to be ironic

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

p.p.s. "da funk" and "muzique" and some others have drums/basslines that could shear your scalp off

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Disco sounds HARD compared to Daft Punk. Also more hooks, less fuck'with'dabeat'n'trace ballyhoo. But argh, this is why I was sitting on my hands. I'm just hungry to hear something about Daft Punk that isn't "I like x more than y." "I prefer z. But all are great!"

Admittedly, no one here is responsible for providing that. I'll sit on my hands again.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"Da Funk" is the JAM!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

disco had some hard ass fucking beats

Enter The Village People.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

haha x-post with Jess! And I really should hear Homework. I do like "Around The World!"

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

p.s. discovery is not a dance album

exactly.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

and I'm dancing ALL THE TIME in my apt, Gear and Roxy. So come on down.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

'The Strongo Song' is easily one of my top 10 dancer tracks.

Everyone likes 'Around The World', even some of my hip hop mates.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Disco did have some hard ass beats, but it seems like things have gone in a kind of "hardness of the beat > everything" direction. A lot of 70s disco stuff, while delivering the beats, seems less beat you over the head to me than modern club music. More subtle and detached? I don't know.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, so what IS Discovery aside from a Euro-brainy DETACHED look at pop fun that lacks the basic force that a lil' American headbanger like myself associates with dancing?

and everywhere where I bitched about Daft Punk I'm really bitching about Discovery. The three-four tracks I've kept were the ones that at least had pop hooks and a little less beat-fuckage monotony.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

do you hate nostalgia? (i ask this seriously.)

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

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