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― System, Monday, 7 September 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
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― System, Tuesday, 8 September 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Creed and Robbie Krieger robbed.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 9 September 2009 02:41 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/articles/part-10-1999-by-the-time-we-got-to-woodstock-99,52164/
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
it's funny how Woodstock '99 has almost completely made people forget that the Woodstock '94 lineup was pretty terrible too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock_'94
― some dude, Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
Were there any decent artist playing woodstock 99? Looking at this list makes me think of a giant frat party that feels like the opposite of the 1969's spirit.
― Moka, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
Aphex Twin's performance was cut short when promoters "disconnected" him mid-show for signing a fake name on a contract, which would forfeit PolyGram's rights to his performance
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
I left out most of the decent bands to thwart challopers
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:58 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
James Brown, George Clinton, Elvis Costello, The Roots, etc. to answer Moka's question
― some dude, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
this could be a hilarious poll thread in and of itself:
Emerging Artists Stage
Big Sugar[6] Cyclefly[25] Indigenous[25] John Entwistle[6] John Oszajca[25] Moe Loughran[31] Muse[37] Pound[25] Pushmonkey[25]
Beyond the cheapskate charges, the people behind Woodstock 99 were accused of negligence when it came to addressing instances of sexual assault. Among the festival’s most shameful statistics—which included 44 arrests and a staggering 10,000 people receiving medical treatment—were reports that eight women had been raped, often by multiple people in the middle of mosh pits that raged as bands performed.
Two weeks after Woodstock 99, the National Organization For Women staged a protest outside of Scher’s New York office, asserting that he and fellow promoter Michael Lang intended to “deny the rapes occurred, to dismiss their importance, and to blame the victims.” Spin reported that a Woodstock employee had told NOW that “security, production staff, and promoters knew about the rapes” as they occurred during the festival and “refused to alert law enforcement because of the ubiquity of drugs on site.” Scher denied the claims, insisting instead that the ugliness of Woodstock 99 reflected a larger moral chasm in the souls of the attendees. “I think, in some respects, the generation was irresponsible and they gave me and themselves the finger,” Scher told Spin. He wasn’t the only one who felt that Woodstock 99 amounted to a big “fuck you!” from legions of incorrigible kids. More than one writer likened Woodstock 99 to The Day Of The Locust, the 1939 Nathanael West novel about wanton sin and alienation in Los Angeles that ends with mob violence. Others rushed to blame the bands for pushing the audience to commit random acts of depravity. “What caused this powder-keg to blow, unlike its sister festival 30 years ago?” asked the San Francisco Examiner’s Jane Ganahl, nudging heavily in the direction of “the worst perpetrator,” Limp Bizkit, who was widely pilloried in the press for playing songs like “Break Stuff” as fans were dismantling the 12-foot security fence circling the grounds and crowd-surfing on the plywood pieces. “Irresponsible: There’s no other word for Limp Bizkit frontman Fred Durst” Salon.com’s Jeff Stark wrote. “He’s goading the crowd, pumping them up, higher and higher. It’s beyond working them into enjoying the show. He’s encouraging the pit, working them into a frenzy.”
Scher denied the claims, insisting instead that the ugliness of Woodstock 99 reflected a larger moral chasm in the souls of the attendees. “I think, in some respects, the generation was irresponsible and they gave me and themselves the finger,” Scher told Spin. He wasn’t the only one who felt that Woodstock 99 amounted to a big “fuck you!” from legions of incorrigible kids. More than one writer likened Woodstock 99 to The Day Of The Locust, the 1939 Nathanael West novel about wanton sin and alienation in Los Angeles that ends with mob violence.
Others rushed to blame the bands for pushing the audience to commit random acts of depravity. “What caused this powder-keg to blow, unlike its sister festival 30 years ago?” asked the San Francisco Examiner’s Jane Ganahl, nudging heavily in the direction of “the worst perpetrator,” Limp Bizkit, who was widely pilloried in the press for playing songs like “Break Stuff” as fans were dismantling the 12-foot security fence circling the grounds and crowd-surfing on the plywood pieces. “Irresponsible: There’s no other word for Limp Bizkit frontman Fred Durst” Salon.com’s Jeff Stark wrote. “He’s goading the crowd, pumping them up, higher and higher. It’s beyond working them into enjoying the show. He’s encouraging the pit, working them into a frenzy.”
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ywuYC0n5cNg#t=207s
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
i thought that kind of thing would be considered 'a lively day with the soccer hooligans' to you
― some dude, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
Why is Algerian Goalkeeper posting Onion A/V Club articles all over
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
it's funny how Woodstock '99 has almost completely made people forget that the Woodstock '94 lineup was pretty terrible too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodstock_'94― some dude, Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:58 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― some dude, Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:58 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Woodstock 94 lineup was awesome!
Peter Gabriel, Nine Inch Nails, Salt-N-Pepa, Primus, Green Day, Gil-Scott Heron, WOMAD stage, Arrested Development, pre-One Hot Minute Chili Peps, Cypress Hill, Rollins Band, Metallica, APHEX TWIN IN MY VAGINA, Violent Femmes, you are tripping
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
he was reading a pamphlet about how to interact with other humans and it said that sharing links from satirical newspaper 'the onion' was a good way to establish a humorous rapport with people (xpost)
― some dude, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
soccer
lol yank
― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
i didnt read the onion piece but i scrolled down to see the last two lines and LOL'd
― what's a goon to garbus (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't scroll down the onion piece but i saw the Hold Steady lyric somberly quoted at the top and LOL'd
― some dude, Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
~what is past is prologue~
― omar little, Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
They got Wavy Gravy to introduce some of the bands, apparently, as a link to the original WS. Poor old geezer thought the crowd were yelling for Chuck Berry. Buck Cherry? They probably named themselves that just to confuse him.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 1 March 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
kinda bogglin at john entwistle on the "emerging artists" stage
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 1 March 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
algerian goalkeeper's really making his way through that steve hyden series
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 March 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
oh i see you guys made that joke too
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 March 2012 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
Watched the Woodstock '99 Documentary on Hulu last night. Funny to see the promoters backstage patting themselves on the back for another successful weekend full of peace, love and music just hours before it went completely off the rails. And to see them still to this day, trying to place the blame on Kurt Loader, Fred Durst, Anthony Keidis, or whoever for the rioting and sexual assaults when by all counts, the volunteer "peace patrol" that they hired for security just vanished into the crowd once the festival started and the horrible location, lack of amenities and testosterone fueled lineup had doomed it from the start.
― BrianB, Monday, 23 August 2021 14:23 (two years ago) link
That’s the same one that’s on HBO Max? “Music Box” or whatever?
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Monday, 23 August 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
Oh yeah HBO Max, sorry. I have too many streaming services and always get them confused.
― BrianB, Monday, 23 August 2021 14:41 (two years ago) link
And to see them still to this day, trying to place the blame on Kurt Loader, Fred Durst, Anthony Keidis, or whoever for the rioting and sexual assaults
That fucking piece of shit John Scher put the blame for the rapes and sexual assaults on the victims, with that "they dressed provocatively" bullshit.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 23 August 2021 15:23 (two years ago) link
We watched it too; was really something to see all the footage. Didn't think the doc itself was that great – it leaned into heavy-handed "context setting" and psychoanalyzing the '90s that felt like a stretch or was flat-out contradictory (a few of the talking heads were particularly bad in this regard). You had to kind of read btw. the lines to get at the reasons why the fest was such a disaster (tho Sheryl Crow seemed to sum most of it up in a single-sentence postmortem interview clip).
Was kinda "funny" for the doc to end with holding up Coachella as a glorious enlightened counterexample, considering the sexual assaults there too.
― Shallot Shortage 2021 (morrisp), Monday, 23 August 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
I wonder if he would say "yes, absolutely" there was a 1:1 relationship between those two things ("provocative" dress/sexual assault) when pressed, because how can you be on the defensive for this many years and not at any point along the way realize that's a disgusting oversimplification? "I'm going to go say this on camera for this documentary and everyone watching will nod their heads in agreement just like my golfing buddies do when I bring this up in conversation, and they say 'alright, John, sure but you don't have to yell' and 'why don't you sit down for a minute?' and 'take it easy ok? We were just trying to figure out where to get lunch later' because they all agree with me, see."
xp
― Evan, Monday, 23 August 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
morrisp otm
Unfortunately the doc never passes up an opportunity to show footage of women exposing themselves, so viewers already inclined to agree with Scher will probably fail to read between the lines despite the other footage of women being groped while crowdsurfing etc being v disturbing
― rob, Monday, 23 August 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link
will never watch this bc steve hyden sucks so much, assuming he’s one of the talking heads morrisp is talking about
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 23 August 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link
The Chapo episode where they did backboard-breaking dunks on this with Street Fight Bryan for 90 minutes was great
― my Least Favorite Writer (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 23 August 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link
idk, I've been catching a lot of feelings lately because I feel that history has ultimately proven me correct with opinions I had 20 years ago like "the Strokes are not interesting or important" and "nu metal had some jams" and the only real $$$ in music journalism right now is parroting 20 year old received wisdom about these things in HBO docs and oral histories. Like the narrative changed but the narrators didn't...
― my Least Favorite Writer (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 23 August 2021 16:43 (two years ago) link
I watched this today and have until now, luckily, never heard Limp Bizkit's music *too* closely.
Now I'm completely fascinated at how Fred's voice was/is so squeaky and feeble when he's rapping, I thought I was hearing things at first.
― Maresn3st, Monday, 23 August 2021 18:09 (two years ago) link
If Woodstock had happened in ‘67, would we have gotten Woodstock ‘97 with the Cherry Poppin Daddies and Less Than Jake?
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 23 August 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
Barbara Kopple made a doc called "My Generation" about the similarities between the '69, '94 and '99 Woodstocks. (Iirc Woodstock organizer/corporate overlord Michael Lang was directly involved, as co-producer or something.) I saw its premiere, and I guess what turned out to be a rare screening, due to the cost of music rights, at the Toronto International Film Fest in 2000, and I remember being really put off by how much it glossed over the uglier side of '99 (maybe because it focused more on consumerism?). There was stuff about the rioting and fires and whatnot, but I actually asked Kopple at a Q&A why there was not even a mention of the numerous reported sexual assaults, and at least as I remember it she bristled and gave a pretty boilerplate, toothless answer.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 August 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link
xpost Reel Big Fish, with signature song "Sell Out", which would have been a little 'on the nose'
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 August 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
There was a a Woodstock '97, and it happened in Fort Worth TX
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXMcYpSMy1ngPAlBBDw42Fl_fNLwqpE7jDRQ&usqp=CAU
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https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/rewind-rock-of-ages-1997-rockfest-concert-fort-worth-tms-texas-motor-speedway/287-e5530aa2-235e-46fe-a593-9a618fb7fbe6
― “Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 23 August 2021 19:20 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsb6UEj6wxk
― “Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 23 August 2021 19:27 (two years ago) link
Ha, I was at Rockfest (alongside half of my 10th grade class). It was hell.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 23 August 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link
imho a much more defensible lineup despite their lack of street cred
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 01:03 (two years ago) link
― Citole Country (bendy), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 01:17 (two years ago) link
it also gets incrementally squeakier over the course of the first three records
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 01:20 (two years ago) link
XPS It's pretty wild that before HUGE festivals became a thing in the US, Blockbuster-then at their VHS height-decides to throw a show with 15 or so of the least-offensive major touring Alt-Rock bands of the day*, then giving away all the tickets as point of purchase bonuses at their stores nationwide, and then drawing almost four times the projected attendees to a racetrack in Texas in the Summer.
*No Doubt, Bush, Collective Soul, Wallflowers etc. all then capable of selling out summer sheds on their own.
― “Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 01:28 (two years ago) link
Rockfest '97 Archived Line-Up:
Counting Crowsthe nixonsJewelNo DoubtSoak (US)Sugar RayThird Eye BlindBushCollective SoulSoulsMatchbox TwentyPaula ColeThe Wallflowers
Some of these bands also appeared at the '90s Woodstocks.
― “Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 01:37 (two years ago) link
don't make me list the merge 10th anniversary artists
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 01:39 (two years ago) link
only the third worst time I've had at that racetrack
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 01:47 (two years ago) link
Strictly speaking, Rockfest wouldn't be Woodstock '97 it would be the Texas International Pop Festival '97 right
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 01:48 (two years ago) link
Except no act really 'broke' because they were there ala Hendrix/Joplin/Otis.
BTW, was trying to figure out who Soak were, found this article on them, a real interesting look at the Alt-Rock business circa '96-7.
― “Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 01:52 (two years ago) link