Sublime: Classic or Dud

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i was born in 1970 in long beach california and actually was very tight friends growing up with the drummer of sublime, a guy by the name of bud gaugh. i knew of sublime from its inception in 1986 and i watched them rehearse, play shitty punker parties and clubs, and eventually sell out theatres and shit all over california. they were all really nice, down to earth guys and fun to be around. i read something up there about the lead singer having a monster ego, which is untrue, bradley was one of the humblest dudes i ever met. as for musical influence or whatever i'm just a punk from southern california, i can't help you there, but they kicked some mean shit back in the day and they were really, truly a great band and great guys (and rad as hell when it came to surfing)..

just wanted to say something since i actually knew all these guys way back in the mist.

besides man what does being fat have anything to do with making good records?

it has *everything* to do with making good records

Today I will bow my head in remembrance of him. Today I will bow my head in remembrance of him stumbling down Long Beach Blvd smacked out on heroin. Today I will remember Sublime for what they were: A 3rd rate Bad Brains. Today I will bow my head in remembrance...while taking a dump.

Personally I think that a lot of Bradley's lyrics are meaningful and powerful, and if you dont, then whatevers that's totally fine, you don't have to listen to them at ALL. I feel privelidged to be able to listen to sublime and take in all of the emotion and soul that Bradley put into every song. If all the nay-sayers on this thread dont get that, then I guess I kinda feel sorry that they dont get out of it what I do, but i dont think that is any reason to bash them back. I cant believe such hardcore Sublime fans say shit like "ned Raggett is a Fagget" and "You fuckin' fags only listen to whats on MTV and you shop at Hollister and have gay looking hair cuts". I mean I dont understand where all of this anger and offensiveness comes from, but I dont get any of that feeling from Sublime or Bradley.

In the words of Bradley himself "Good music is good music, and that should be enough for anybody." So why doesnt everyone just listen and let listen, so to speak, and just at LEAST stop all this stupid name calling, POINTLESS arguments, and short cheap shots like calling them a 3rd rate Bad Brains?

P.S. Although it may be HARD for some of you guys to believe, but I haven't smoked weed for 2 years now, and BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!! I still like sublime, so lets just stop that generalization shall we?

To say the best song they ever did was "doin' time" and then take credit away from them for making it by acrediting ALL of the greatness of the song to gershwin is a slightly inconsequential argument. Where is the fact printed the "doin' time" is their best song? Is this your opinion? If it is your opinion, based on no real data, made simply from observing what you think might be true, then it is quite irrelevant. Furthermore to discount all of what Sublime did to create the song is underappreciating all that they actually did. Although Doin' Time is based off of Summertime by Gershwin from Porgy and Bess, the two songs are far from identical. The line "summertime and the living's easy" is the only line in common from the two songs. The genre for both songs are very different, and the tempos are both very different. So, to say that "doin' time" was made because of Gershwin is really pointless, I mean it's a cover for christ sake. However, it is really one of the more dissimilar covers of any that I have heard. By your standards, Save Ferris and Jimi Hendrix should both get no credit for their songs "Come on Eileen" and "All Along the Watchtower" respectively. A cover is a cover, and the song "Doin' Time" is a fantastic one, and its popularity and quality should not discount the musical prowess and quality of Sublime as a band. (sERIOUSLY)...

actually i really like sublime, NIRB, though i should have phrased my post in a manner that suggested i didn't

I see no fault with this man singing in Sublime.

Nowell was cremated and his ashes were distributed over the water of his favorite surf spot, Surfside.

that's nice

All these thread revives, Jon, and you don't link to this story instead:

Rivas and a group of friends from Northern Los Angeles traveled to Orange County that day to visit the grave of Bradley Nowell, a guitarist for the popular band Sublime, who died of a heroin overdose at a San Francisco hotel in 1996.

Sublime was a popular 1990s era band that performed reggae, punk, ska, funk and hip hop music. Nowell fronted the band, which originated in Long Beach.

Later that evening, during the birthday gathering at the hotel, Rivas said “I think I saw God at the beach.”

Rothwell responded, according to witnessed, “I am the Devil… Don’t tell me about God.”

She then grabbed a small knife from her purse and stabbed Rivas in the neck while he stood on a balcony, severing the jugular.

oh my :X

oh good Ned you're here. I wanted to let you know that your critical perspective had a bad blindspot right there in 90s radio rock...conflating Bradley Nowell with Fred Durst or Mark McGrath is a pretty grave error in judgement...Sublime certainly made a mistake that many bands before them made (confusing the power of 'black' musical genres with the machismo of some of their practitioners) but ther misogyny was prolley no worse than anything Led Zeppelin did (and far better than anything RHCP did).

Thanks, I think.

besides "breaking the girl" and "soul to squeeze," of course. will it save RHCP from the middling shame of being known as the most average band ever? Stay tuned!

D A. M

sorry that was a bit more priggish then I actually intended to be when i first conceived it.

point is: Mark McGrath and Fred Durst would both have to stand on a tall ladder to kiss Bradley Nowell's ass...Nowell not only could play an instument pretty well, but he actually had a bit of loose jazzy improvisational songwriting style (see STP), at least some of what he has to say about the opposite sex is more thoughtful and considered than "I did it all for the nookie."

Plus Sublime has done the best Grateful Dead cover in the last fifteen or twenty years.

was that still priggish?

Hey, if Alice in Chains can do it.

that is so fuckt bro i cant belive their doin it w/o brad

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New Sublime Video - Extras Needed (Hollywood)

Date: 2011-05-11, 10:40AM PDT
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The Rock band Sublime is back with new front man Rome. We are shooting their first music video in 15 years in Hollywood on Sat, 5/14/11. $50.00, meals, credit. Please read the casting call below.

Sublime Extras:
Male and female roles. Must be sexy/attractive. Must be over 18 but look like they could be younger. Must have a gritty LA skate/punk vibe to them. Must come camera ready. Wardrobe is skate/punk attire. Think "Lords of Dogtown" or "Wussup Rockers".

Fuck, I'm not "sexy/attractive". Also don't look 18 or younger. Also don't have a "gritty LA skate/punk vibe". Also don't live near Hollywood. Also don't want to be in a Sublime video.

u should audition

i could totally do it, but i think i'd rather just smoke a j and listen to "What I Got" on repeat

wussup rockers

santoria was just on the radio O_O

(as it is every day, multiple time a day)

i ain't got no crystal ball, y'all!

god sublime is probably the worst band ever, among my top 3-5 most hated

really? they still have a few songs I like, though I was def a dumbshit upthread w/ Ned...

They had a few decent songs, but they are a classic example of a band ruined by their boneheaded audience.

boneheaded music too iirc

like obviously there's super dumb shit like "date rape" but looking at a list of their songs just brings home the lols

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_63032/sublime/songs

This band is supposed to suck, but I'm enjoying their self-titled album quite a bit! Fun and catchy! Haven't been able to get into 40 Ounces of Freedom yet though.

(Fuck you, mang!)
(I got a bone to pick)

(Don't sit, don't trip)
I'm cutting hits like Bert Susanka's got the shrimp dip
I get it, get it, get it, get it all the time
People wants to know the meaning of the word Sublime
It's anarchist, man, it's the shit you missed
We get the Minuteman loops and add a Peni twist
Cause we know you love the pit, but this is the shit
That you put in the box and say "Damn, it's a hit, boy!"
And at all the radios and the T.V. shows
Cause we don't kiss no ass or kick down free shows
What you get is the kind, no gang, no cess
When Yellow Lover's on the D-R-U-M-S

This is one of the bands that I go back and forth between loving or hating.

It’s the nostalgia goggles talking... they appealed to most people in college/late high school in the late 90’s and in the right context they were a perfect soundtrack, also the mid to late 90’s had some of the worst popular rock music so I’d still take the party playing Sublime over the party playing shit like Live, Our Lady Peace, Silverchair, Candlebox, et al.

If I take that goggles off they are frat white dude funk music that fails most of the time.

If I’m in one of those rare “every music I hear sounds great” phases, then I appreciate the quirkiness in his guitar playing and his voice, how good the bass usually sounds and the wasted potential. Usually I think they’re a very bland, mediocre band that just became this sort of flagpole music for a certain type of people because the singer offed himself right in the middle of their most succesful album.

I got to know all of Sublime's hits through MIDI files first

By your standards, Save Ferris and Jimi Hendrix should both get no credit for their songs "Come on Eileen" and "All Along the Watchtower" respectively.

For some reason I felt the need to put on "What I Got" for my 8-year-old tonight. Now, at a distance, I don't care anymore who used to be into this band. This song is perfect, so light and yet so rich in thrilling detail. Did people think this was supposed to be ska? It doesn't sound anything like ska. It sounds like itself. It sounds like what you wanted to sound like when you fucked around with your shitty acoustic guitar. This is some eternity-level pop.

It's a good song, it makes me want to keep hustling.

easily in my top 200 all-time. I don't think I have another song that sounds quite like it. still gets played all the time. still sounds fresh every time I play it.

Oh wow, is it safe to come above ground now and wear my 40 oz. tshirt openly once again, or is this some kind of elaborate sting operation?

Counterpoint: it's a shitty song.

And no it's not ska, no one says it is