Why does anyone like the Fall?

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You know those car trips which are like drug trips? Where you catch glimpses of places you would never normally go? Where the light changes and strange music makes cinema of the stuff in the windscreen? Where odd corners of your brain get illuminated and you get buzzy? Well, Mark E. Smith can do that car trip thing with lyrics. I actually think he's Britain's greatest living poet, with a clattery rock band behind him.

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 27 January 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Felonious, do you have 50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong? THAT is your introduction--even Jess liked the cherry-picked latter-day stuff.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

So are you finally eating crow about them supposedly being overrated or what?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I like that (re the Momus post), I'm going to listen to LA now in search of the Car Feeling.

The best thing about this thread is how you know there's going to be a revive later saying 'ah, wait, I got it!'.

― Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

knew, rather

― Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Momus OTM

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Can someone invent a word for this?

― Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, they're still overrated, but I like them more than I used to

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, I was starting to like them, cuz I'd gotten Nation's Saving Grace, but yeah that 50,000 Fall fans thing is amazing.

Btw, can anyone think of a best-of that puts its subject in a better possible light than 50,000 Fall fans?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

not many. ChangesOneBowie and Star Time are the immediate ones that come to mind--taking really good catalogues and trimming them down to blindsiding ones. I think JB and Bowie and the Fall are all terrific but there's lots of fat on all of them. (The Bowie is qualified by its coming out in 1976)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

If they're overrated, then surely some of these, the Fall's proper studio albums, are not, at the least, VERY GOOD. Which ones?

Live at the Witch Trials
Dragnet
Grotesque
Hex Enduction Hour
Perverted by Language
The Wonderful and Frightening World of the Fall
This Nation's Saving Grace
Bend Sinister
The Frenz Experiment
I Am Kurious, Oranj
Extricate
Shift Work
Code: Selfish
The Infotainment Scan
Middle Class Revolt
Cererbral Caustic
The Light User Syndrome

That takes us up through the end of the Scanlon/Hanley/Brix/etc. eras, at least.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

never argue w/a cultist

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

especially if you can't back it up

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link

You either get it or you AREN't FUCKING LISTENING.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Meanwhile:

I would happily shell out for a Fall boxset of Peel Sessions from then to now.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), June 17th, 2003.

How nice that my prediction is coming true.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

oooh, I'm scared now!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Or wish or whatever it was.

That makes for a curious x-post. "How nice for the Fall box!" "I TREMBLE IN MOCK TERROR!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes it does

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"Can I review it?"

"OH I'M SCARED NOW LONGHAIR SHOEGAZE FREAK!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahaha!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"back it up" = with a response

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Btw, can anyone think of a best-of that puts its subject in a better possible light than 50,000 Fall fans?
-- M@tt He1geson (matt@game[remove]informer.com), January 28th, 2005.

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not many. ChangesOneBowie and Star Time are the immediate ones that come to mind--taking really good catalogues and trimming them down to blindsiding ones. I think JB and Bowie and the Fall are all terrific but there's lots of fat on all of them. (The Bowie is qualified by its coming out in 1976)
-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), January 28th, 2005.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

If they're overrated, then surely some of these, the Fall's proper studio albums, are not, at the least, VERY GOOD. Which ones?

That takes us up through the end of the Scanlon/Hanley/Brix/etc. eras, at least.

-- Tim Ellison (timejeanne...), January 28th, 2005.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

haha can you READ?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

here, let me break this down for you: I like the Fall. Because many people like the Fall more than me, I consider them overrated. ARE YOU CLEAR NOW?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

(and not just "because" they like them more than me, but the degree to which people like them more than me seems out of proportion to what I've heard, which isn't everything, nor does it have to be in order for me to form an opinion on them, and I've liked what I've heard and . . . WHY THE HELL DO I EVEN BOTHER RESPONDING TO TIM ELLISON IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE?!)

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

This is all a bit circular. Mr. Matos, m'friend, take a break and have a good dinner (which I'm about to do).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

on my way to doing just that!

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Hurrah! You are a wise man.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

You just refuse to fucking admit that you're all too quick with your smug comments when you don't know what you're talking about.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

The Fall are the best rock band ever.

― Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the Fall. Despite the fact that many people like them much more than me, I do not consider them overrated in the slightest.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 January 2005 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't bear The Fall, but I think they're underrated.

Oh, I like the music; it's just that voice. For precisely the same reason, I can't listen to LCD Soundsystem, despite liking the music. Oh, and they're definitely overrated.

― davidsim (davidsim), Friday, 28 January 2005 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I think my love for the fall is waaaaay underrated on ILM. You people have no idea!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 28 January 2005 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

the fall is one of my favorite bands (among many). Who the fuck cares how they're rated?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 28 January 2005 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

that Momus post up there is beautiful.

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 28 January 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah he really nailed it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 28 January 2005 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

you fucking cultists.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

sure we're not occultists?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 28 January 2005 04:52 (nineteen years ago) link

you've been ensnared by the HEXEN DEFINITIVE

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Here, I'm going "Box set Box Set Box Set" and eventually it will turn up at my door.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 28 January 2005 09:12 (nineteen years ago) link

The Fall is one of those bands that I admire more than listen to. I like Grotesque and the Slates EP pretty well, but I rarely feel the need to listen to them. I haven't played the 50,000 Fall Fans collection very much since I got it. I like the idea of the Fall, but I find that a little of their music goes a long way, and I lack the patience to figure out what Mark E. Smith is ranting about most of the time.

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, I was starting to like them, cuz I'd gotten Nation's Saving Grace, but yeah that 50,000 Fall fans thing is amazing.
Btw, can anyone think of a best-of that puts its subject in a better possible light than 50,000 Fall fans?
-- M@tt He1geson (matt@game[remove]informer.com), January 28th, 2005.
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not many. ChangesOneBowie and Star Time are the immediate ones that come to mind--taking really good catalogues and trimming them down to blindsiding ones. I think JB and Bowie and the Fall are all terrific but there's lots of fat on all of them. (The Bowie is qualified by its coming out in 1976)

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), January 28th, 2005.

Those are good picks and I just thought of another one, which will probably not be popular on a Fall thread but still it's TRUE!!:

The 2-disc Chronicles Rush best-of that came out in the early 90s. Fucking great job of making them seem flawless!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

There's some duds on disc 4 of Star Time

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I love this

'Because they sound like absolute shit on pot.' by Kris

and my comment is... exactly! That's what makes this one of my favorite bands, they're out there to annoy the fuck out of people, they have no tolerance, and they don't give a shit about what you think! I've seen them live only once, and it was one of the shittiest, most slack off live shows I'd ever seen, which is precisely why I'm going back.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The Fall are crap!

― Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (ex machina), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

But they love you, sir.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

You gonna get it through the head

― Snappy (sexyDancer), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...

The Fall are crap!

yeah, but they talk back!

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, sorry, there was no need to revive this thread

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link

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