Search and Destroy : New Order

@ Houston - the versions of Temptation and Hurt on the 1981-1982 EP are exactly the same as the 12". On the 7", Temptation is a different recording and Hurt is a different mix (same basic recording with different effects and panning - not just an edit). The version of Hurt on disc 2 of Substance is a unique edit.

Your work is very much appreciated! The singles deserve to be so curated with lavish affection and attention to detail.

Thanks for your answer! It's puzzled me what's on the 1981-1982 EP for years, mostly because I've never had it but have read much about it.

Any comments on the mastering differences between the 1981-1982 EP and the far more common Substance CD?

I know 'EGG' on my CD copy certainly sounds rather different; less harsh, maybe.

The friend doing all the restoration and mastering didn't comment about the differences, so they must be minimal. He's usually very anal about that sort of thing. I know he tended toward using Substance as the benchmark because it was the first CD mastering for most of these songs.

was away from my own computer for a month - i can't wait to d/l these!!
anybody receive any replacement cd's from dr. rhino yet? i thought they would have shipped by now - i saw the new new re-reissues at amoeba today

So did they change the track selection on the re-reissues or just do a better mastering job?

The tracks are the same - including the completely out of place Tall Paul remix for True Faith - they just took them from better sources.

i'm a serious luddite playing these n.o. m4a files w/quicktime. i tried to install itunes for an hour today and it di'n't work. i don't want itunes anyhow. i searched a couple threads on m4a-mp3 conversion already and haven't found what i'm looking for. anybody have any goodideas? this stuff sounds incredible and i NEED to be able to get onto a disk.....

No idea what OS you are using. Fn windows m4a plays in winamp/vlc. You want to burn an audio cd? For windows use burrrn @ http://www.burrrn.net/?page_id=4

yes, you understood what i failed to elucidate, svend. i just installed winamp, even, but honestly don't really have the $20 to drop for the pro edition so i can convert these. thanks for the link!

svend, you are a brilliant brilliant example of the human species!! i love the internetz again!!!

This pretty amazing. Yeah, wow.

"Bizarre Love Triangle" is up it's amazing. Listening to the 12" mix, I really have not heard it like this since I retired my phonograph. It's amazing how much trouble this kind of work is for record companies.

"Procession" is owning me so hard right now

I'm like that with Kiss of Death.

wish these were up as flacs! they made me relove new order

flac would be great and fitting with the completist nature of these, but would that extra resolution really help if the source was a needledrop?

Not so much extra resolution as having a non-lossy format to transcode into whatever your favorite method of play is.

ah I see..

my other favorite thing about this project are the absolutely awesome album art scans. I've thrown them all together into one folder and I set my desktop background to cycle through them. almost makes me wish I had a square aspect ratio monitor.

holy shit, it is amazing how the first song you hear by a band can imprint on you because "Shellshock" just came on and holy wow

this site is turning me from casual New Order fan to nutty New Order superfan ....

"Thieves Like Us", my God

I had completely forgotten how massive their singles are.

I love the 1987 "Temptation" the most but I'm shocked at the gravity of the 12" version.

It's like, whenever I start going "blah blah don't really like the PCL/Low-Life/Brotherhood era" I hear these singles and remember I'm talking shit.

Heh, I'm using the art scans as desktop wallpaper too.

would anyone like to zip and upload the artwork scans? i downloaded the zips from Recycle blog but deleted the folders with the images. don't want to d/l them all again.

also, i asked on the Recycle blog but in the Shellshock 12", at appx 5mins, you can hear someone sing the alternate verse in the background in a high pitched voice. i guess it's Robie but i've never heard it before. anyone know who that is?

artwork here: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=51c1b0c7c849e75c36df4e8dca141969e04e75f6e8ebb871

I asked on the blog what hardware/software was being used and got politely smacked down for it, but that doesn't change the fact that these transfers sound fucking amazing.

Also, HOLY SHIT SEVEN INCH EDIT OF BIZARRE DUB TRIANGLE WOO-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

thanks j.o.n.a.

Just checking back in to address a few points.

Check back in the blog later tonight for a couple of tweak updates.

FLAC files do exist, but I'm withholding them in the hopes that Rhino/WB will pick up this project and actually manufacture it. I'm also trying to avoid legal action. If I never hear a peep from the label about this work I will quietly release the FLACS in a few months.

You can always download the artwork directly from my Flickr account:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9333777@N03/sets/72157607168692018/

Click on any given image, then "all sizes" and go to the biggest size for full resolution. I'm really glad you're loving the artwork, as restoring it is allowing me to channel my inner Saville.

Finally, I don't know the full process that Bruce uses to restore the music. I live in San Francisco and he lives in Toronto. I have watched him do it before, though. He uses a Technics 1200 turntable with a microline stylus. I think he uses Audition. All of the clicks are removed manually - one measure at a time - using spectrum analysis. He splits the center/side channels and does noise reduction on the side channels only, then he re-encodes it. He also has an uncanny ear for EQ.

Bruce did make this note on the transfer of Ceremony:

"...transcribed at 33 RPM, de-clicked, and then pitch-shifted to 45 RPM in the digital domain at which point the remaining processing was done (20Hz highpass filter, convert from stereo to mid/side, noise reduction on side channel only, convert back to stereo, EQ and just a touch of limiting)."

dude clearly knows his shit

i wish all vinyl remastering could be done with such care

what do you think the chances are that warner bros. will pick the project up? not being snarky here, just wondering if you guys have a connection or if there's a precedent for that kind of thing .....

I'm so psyched to finally hear the uncut version of "The Perfect Kiss", and even more psyched that there's a cleaned up/adjusted version of the Demme video take on here

I considered buying Retro just to have the Demme take on CD

@ tylerw - we do have connections. Without giving away too much, the band's management is very aware of this project.

Did the video version of Bizarre Love Triangle ever get released in any form, you know the one with the 'I don't believe in reincarnation...' bit in it? Just curious... Youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OhDp9o1dX4

No, the video edit never had a commercial release as such.

this is amazing stuff Jeb, another thanks for doing this!

Cheers! And yes, awesome work, thanks!

Please check Recycle for an update about fixed audio and tweaked artwork.

Well, you could pull the audio for that video edit of Bizarre Love Triangle off the "A Collection" DVD if you really wanted to have a decent mp3 of it.

FLAC files do exist, but I'm withholding them in the hopes that Rhino/WB will pick up this project and actually manufacture it.

You can't listen to these and imagine a world where this doesn't happen.

we do have connections. Without giving away too much, the band's management is very aware of this project.
very cool! i imagine after the apparent botch of those NO reissues this year, the band might be interested in exploring other avenues ....

got em all except "shellshock" now... and the m3d1af1r3 page for "shellshock" is not being very cooperative... so close! :[

thank you thank you, 50 pound note (and to whomever did the transfers), so jazzed about getting around to rockin all these later tonight

Rhino, what happened? we useda really like ya!
just got my Brotherhood dic two replacement yesterday. Tha barstids swapped "Beach Buggy", what was originally slated to be the final track of the set, with another Blue Monday (dub). i feel a bit heisted after waiting paitiently for months

Rhino didn't actually replace any of the incorrect mixes from the first batch of reissues. They retained those mixes, titled them correctly, and took them from better sources.

you're right they retained the mixes, but i wasn't expecting to be teased re: Beach Buggy. that kinda shite sticks in my craw- not like there isn't plenty of room on disc 2 for it...