Nu-metal:Search and destroy

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3 years later and Deftones' _White Pony_ sounds as
good as ever, and even more distinct from the crowd.
Chew, I've never thought of it that way, but yeah, I agree that
System Of A Down are funny. They may be hard-core armenian dudes
but they look fairly goofy and the lead singer sounds like a
kosher hot dog.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 9 March 2003 22:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

i like system of a down, two Deftones songs, and I really, really like the 30% of OTEP's stuff, the songs she doesn't
rap" on - "Blood Pigs" was really, really good. Search the single.

The rest of it is shite.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

What's the nu-metal song where there is a break in the music, and singer goes "oo-wack-ack-ack-ack!"? I hate that one.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry, but the only proper answer here is:

DUD!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think the song you refer to is by Kid Rock, who, as a celebrity / personality, I like much much better than Coldplay.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 10 March 2003 00:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

this thread is fucking hilarious for the older posts

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 March 2003 01:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Old threads are KEWL!

I'm not gonna add anything but this: I like System of a Down. They have a sense of humor for sure, but they also know how to properly use it so as not to seem a "novelty" band, a category so many other bands with senses of humor are so often dismissed into.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 10 March 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

this thread is fucking hilarious for the older posts

Especially the Deftones comments...barely two years have passed and it's as if they never existed!

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 10 March 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
"They may be hard-core armenian dudes but they look fairly goofy and the lead singer sounds like a kosher hot dog."

This line is quite funny.

I've pretty much succeeded in blotting most of these bands out of my existence by just not paying attention. I saw a video a couple of days ago for a Deftones tune that had a title about some spy in the house of spiders or something like that, which I thought was kind of nifty. I listened to that one with the skinny girl with the bikini back around 98 for about five minutes at work once as that was enough for me.

The two bands that didn't get mentioned here that I had roommates that listened to ton back in the day that at least to my ears had a similar sound was Clutch and Quicksand.

Clutch is still going, but I haven't heard anything past their 2nd record. "Shotgun Named Marcus" sounds like a template for alot of these bands.

I've been searching around trying to find one of the Quicksand albums used, as they used to be in every used bin, but not anymore. Being that I used to really like drugs and booze, the fact that Walter was in Gorilla Biscuits used to kind of keep me a bit at bay, but at least to my memory Quicksand had some interesting music.

earlnash, Thursday, 19 June 2003 03:01 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, when I first heard Quicksand (about 8 years too late, of course) they kind of reminded me of (gasp) Finger Eleven. I still have a soft spot for the first Finger Eleven album, which is not quite nu-metal, although these days they certainly LOOK like a nu-metal band.

Also, I have the Moondog bootleg and it scares the SHIT out of me.

Pitchblender (Pitchblender), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

Search: SOAD's "Innervisions" & their live cover of Floyd's "Goodbye Blue Sky"

Destroy: Papa Roach's live performance on Carson Daily where their vocalist runs out of breath, can't sing his lines, and falls his fat ass off the stage...okay actually search that and laugh hysterically like I did

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

Clutch are so not Nu anything!

mei (mei), Thursday, 19 June 2003 17:10 (twenty years ago) link

Linkin Park - where's the space? Their songs are so cluttered, too busy.

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 June 2003 17:18 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
fuck all u fuckin fags! i bet 90% of the bands one this page would whoop your asses then write song about it. fuckin fags!(limp bizkit suks)

yo moms fuck boy, Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

You're the guy who actually bought the new Limp Bizkit album, yeah?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

Search - Deftones, System Of A Down, Tool.

Destroy - all the others.

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 3 January 2004 20:29 (twenty years ago) link

DJ Martial mentioned loads of excellent bands who utterly aren't nu-meral (big up to The God Machine), but I think such things would better be aimed at a board that's going to defend nu-metal.

How I wish all these Korn-hoody-wearing self-proclaimed-neo-'goths' would shut up and listen to Godflesh...

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 3 January 2004 20:48 (twenty years ago) link

Tool isn't nu-metal, Stupid. They're more part of the early 90's so-called "alt-metal" thing (Helmet, Prong, Rage Against the Machine,etc.) that was a pre-cursor to nu-metal. They're definitely an influence on Nu-metal bands, and share an overlapping fanbase, but they're not as one-dimensional and they have better taste. Nu-metal really starts with Korn and the Deftones. The Deftones of course got better with each album, but anything worthwhile Korn had to say was with their first record, which is basically the prototype for most nu-metal bands that followed. Anyway, search: Deftones, System of a Down, Korn's first album, some Slipknot maybe. Destroy: pretty much everything else.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 4 January 2004 08:21 (twenty years ago) link

Is At the Drive In nu-Metal, or something else? I remember liking one of their albs.

plebian plebs (plebian), Sunday, 4 January 2004 08:39 (twenty years ago) link

They're more punk/hardcore/post-hardcore, I'd say. Not really much to do with nu-metal, save for having Ross robinson produce one of their albums. Closer to the type of bands that some refer to as emo, though that itself is another post-punk/hardcore manifestation. Anyway, they're all just genre tags and genre is as malleable as putty in a rock critic's word processesor.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 4 January 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

In what way is nu-metal NOT punk/hardcore/post-hardcore?

Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 22:32 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. email me if u have a problem, and ill kick ur ass.

MeTaL RuLeS, Thursday, 29 January 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

please post a pic of yourself!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 January 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

Here I yam -- toot toot!

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v20/durstrocks/9.jpg

MeTuL RuLeZ (Ian Christe), Thursday, 29 January 2004 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

*backs down*

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 January 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

That pic's Fred Durst auditioning for On the town.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 29 January 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

Is it finally dead now?

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 2 August 2007 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link

System of a Down is the only thing left.

humansuit, Thursday, 2 August 2007 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I didnt listen to hair metal at the time, so I missed out on the grounding for the current nostalgiafest. It seems to me both hair and nu metal are loud and have lots of riffs: hair is a bit more playful and nu is more intense, but then wasnt the playfulness of hair and the intensity of *grunge* why everyone said hair had to die anyway? Nu is also arguably more musically interesting cos of the hip-hop elements - there are more places it could go.

Both of them trade in exaggerated and absurdified masculine images - hair has queeny glam braggadocio, nu has the tats and piercings look (the masculine body warping and modifying under culture-pressure). This allows both genres to achieve moments of sudden tenderness which are more affecting because you're not expecting them (though maybe by this point you should be).

The critical reaction to nu metal is fascinating - all of the old critical saws which people get jumped on here for applying to pop any more (they dont mean it! its commodified! its old hat! rich people shouldnt be angry! its just for 15 year olds!) have achieved glittering new life in the nu-metal-crit arena.

Search and Destroy? No idea, mate.

-- Tom, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 01:00

What do you think now, Tom?

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 2 August 2007 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I just saw a TV ad for the new Korn album. Fucking hell.

At least the Deftones are still making interesting music. I never really considered them nu-metal; though they associated/toured with all those other bands I don't need to mention, they never really fit in with that crowd to me. I could easily imagine them having a record on Hydra Head, for example (which would instantly make the hipsters love 'em to bits).

MacDara, Friday, 3 August 2007 12:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Hipsters already did like Deftones. Because they were actually good.

Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 3 August 2007 12:22 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Is it finally dead now?

-- Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, August 2, 2007 2:04 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Link

Eisbaer, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link

I think nu-metal and post-hardcore have bled into each other to a degree that we have bottom-heavy screamo now, but that's about it.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 01:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Search: Papa Roach's "Last resort"---Whiny angst rock with a great medieval sounding stop-start riff

Whcih was totally ripped off the intro of this.

chap, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 01:58 (sixteen years ago) link

deftones uber alles

brightscreamer, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 03:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I went to a Deftones show once. To see Will Haven.

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:41 (sixteen years ago) link

This was a treat. Thanks.

-- Nate Carson, Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:23 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

latebloomer, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:49 (sixteen years ago) link

?

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 10:25 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Search: the last 50 seconds or so of 'Chop Suey!'

Davek (davek_00), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nu_metal/Archive_1

markers, Friday, 9 September 2011 08:07 (twelve years ago) link

Excuse me, but why this article's authors are absolutely convinced that Red Hot Chili Peppers have not to be considered nu metal inspirators? (unsigned)

markers, Friday, 9 September 2011 08:07 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...

last band stsnding?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcveAwvgp5E&feature=fvwrel

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:42 (eleven years ago) link

and the only one i ever really liked too! shows what great taste me and the australians have. slipknot still a thing in the u.k. too, no?

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link

this has better sound. SERIOUS slipknot fans at knebworth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzshp82CmnU&NR=1&feature=endscreen

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 01:54 (eleven years ago) link

I'm just glad I saw the Chaos AD tour.

Also saw Korn open for Ozzy in '95. Terrible!

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 04:25 (eleven years ago) link

nine months pass...

Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. email me if u have a problem, and ill kick ur ass.
― MeTaL RuLeS, Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:31 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love how categorical this post is. i mean, i just wanna ask this guy, "so, Korn is REALLY better than Beethoven? Papa Roach is better than John Coltrane? do you even know who Beethoven or Coltrane WERE?!?"

email him if u have a problem!

unfinest DN (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

it would be really funny if he's still so militant on this topic 9 years later ...

and so it begins ..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/jun/07/download-festival-nu-metal

personally, as an old man, i cant wait to be able to play my linkin park collection (courtesy of playlouder !), and not worry re the sneering masses ...

mark e, Saturday, 8 June 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

i love how categorical this post is. i mean, i just wanna ask this guy, "so, Korn is REALLY better than Beethoven? Papa Roach is better than John Coltrane? do you even know who Beethoven or Coltrane WERE?!?"

― عليك ارتداء ماكياج من مهرج مثلي الجنس المتداول مائة عميق في سيارة مصغر (Eisbaer),

haha u r old

j., Saturday, 8 June 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link


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