Genesis Live

for instance: what's known as "musica", a show from the Duke tour that they have in soundboard quality. sure you can get it in unofficial circles but if you're compliling your live stuff, just put it on there! They finally located the masters for Genesis Live and skipped Suppers Ready, a track whose intended inclusion on this album was all hushed up for a long time until test pressings with it on there appeared? It's not the best version ofthe song but they may as well put it out.

Genesis were fantastic back then, but I don't care about live albums at all.

I don't care about live albums at all.

Yeah, I'm a little thrown by that. Three Sides Live is pretty weak, and I loathe the studio albums post-Genesis (and all but two or three songs from that one), but I listen to Genesis Live more than any of the contemporaneous studio discs.

The drumming on the live "Musical Box." The cymbal shit is next level.

unaccompanied bass pedal solo imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBcz3tBH74

Musically it's great, but I wish I hadn't looked this up & seen Peter Gabriel in Genesis now :-/

Some of you are going to die ;_;

What IS it with this album? Tried to get into the studio albums but completely failed to - dated and pretentious, bah. But this, this mesmerising masterpiece, I can listen to this once or twice a day for weeks on end (even during new Burial EP or Arcade Fire times).

listening to Seconds Out now - this is probably my favorite of their live records. perhaps heresy but I love Phil Collins taking on "Suppers Ready"!!

So do I. That was the album and song that made me a Genesis freak.

I still like that version more than the ones on Foxtrot and Genesis Archive. Phil's smoothness fits the song better than Gabriel's bark.

yeah - I just wrote a bit on Wind & Wuthering here in which I kinda realize that Phil wasn't really a downgrade
http://critterjams.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/genesis-wind-and-wuthering-1976/

the incredible second half of "Cinema Show" is also ace

Great piece. It's impressive that in 1976, they could still make a record as totally confident and casual as Wind & Wuthering. There's not a trace of strain over the prog-rock crisis on that album.

Phil I see as being a lateral move. Somehow I don't think that he could pull off "The Battle of Epping Forest" (not sure if he ever attempted it).

during my brief all-prog phase in high school I ran with a crowd that considered no-Gabriel era The Beginning Of The End - really enjoyed reading a clear-eyed take on Wind and Wuthering even if every time I try to revisit Genesis I feel like my departure from them was permanent and I can't ever really get back inside

That "Daddy, you promised!" bit sours me on the album every time.

They did "White Mountain" on the '76 tour. Phil's thin melodic voice made it sound especially silly — there was some combination of Gabriel's rasp and his aura of lunacy that made the words he sang seem almost meaningful.

Somehow I don't think that he could pull off "The Battle of Epping Forest" (not sure if he ever attempted it).

I don't think he did and you're probably right, but I would've said that about "Supper's Ready" too. Never heard the '76 band do "White Mountain", but that's kind of a ridiculous song anyway, isn't it?

Re-listening to some of this I'm astounded by how much of both W&W and Spot the Pigeon draw off the second disc of The Lamb, in particular the bits that I was always bored by. I wonder if they would've included any of that stuff had the storyline not been so long.

"All in a Mouse's Night" a bit of a let-down on W&W, "Epping Forest" no great loss in any situation. kinda feel like if they'd made a W&W a couple of years later it wd've been perfect

the gloss and distance they're on the way to acquiring on W&W might as well be a different band to the sludgey doom of Genesis Live tho

"All in a Mouse's Night" was my favorite song on it the first time I listened to it. That's the one that everyone seems to say would work better with Peter but I love the way Phil sings the main melody line ("come on baby, let the poor thing go"). Also the story itself isn't very interesting. My main point through all that is that even if Peter does some pretty amazing things (especially on The Lamb) I feel like Phil serves the actual songs a bit better. W&W having three instrumental tracks really says a lot about the direction the band was going (and pulled back on)

W&W is mainly let down by cloudy mix and production (the only case where I think the remix/remasters bettered the original), always felt like there was a veil over the music or a blanket on the speakers. The second side of the album is tremendous.

That Ylvis song is basically just a Genesis rip-off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tYyqf0KJWY

Could be bullshit but I heard a radio DJ last week say that Collins and Gabriel are in talks for a real Genesis reunion...

They're always in talks. Genesis may be the only huge act constantly breaking up and reuniting where every member old and new is still friends.

I thought Phil could not play drums?

I have heard Phil can't drum from a whole bunch of people. Didn't know Genesis were all still friends though, doesn't Gabriel routinely refuse to sign off on reissue extras & stuff?

Money talks.

Gabriel recently acknowledged recently that them all being still alive might be good reason to consider playing together once more

collins recently returned to drumming.

i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't pull off a show or two at the 02 or something. would have to be very different from the old shows, I'd expect.

They're always in talks. Genesis may be the only huge act constantly breaking up and reuniting where every member old and new is still friends.

Would maybe put Roxy in here too, if not exactly best buddies.

the roxy thing is infuriating to me, mainly because I missed their last tour, and thought there was one coming up, but they backtracked on all their statements. I guess the album resulted in Olympia, which I like a lot, but still

Yeah, almost all the Roxy guys appear on each others records, still. Though not always all at once, and Ferry doesn't cameo.

Peter always participates in Genesis biz, but he moves so slowly they rarely wait for him.

https://store.realworld.co.uk/product-category/peter-gabriel/lego-mini-figures/

Holy shit, those are the best things ever.

https://i0.wp.com/www.musicalbrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/legoLambLive06.jpg

These have been around for a while; funny that Peter is now selling them though his official store.

Apropos of the thread:

https://progarchy.com/2015/02/01/genesis-lego/

Uh, LEGO, don;t know what Phil's been telling you but his hair was never that thick

Got a press release about that Genesis covers band The Musical Box playing Hammersmith Apollo in the spring and I am FUCKING TEMPTED

Why does Phil have "Sifilis" on his shirt?

go see the musical box they are awesome!

i have a ticket for the SF show I need to unload (show is on Monday), I'm going to be out of town. mr schwitterz?

The Musical Box are awesome! What set are they doing?

i wish akm! ill be outta town too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijNOt6e2v-o

The best one I saw them do was when they had a bald left-handed drummer who sang like Phil! Apparently they got him from (shock) a Phil tribute band.

they're doing both the black and white sets of the selling england by the pound tour. which is great; but I've seen them do those three times already so I'm not broken up about it. I did see them do the Lamb a few years ago and it was pretty much everything I'd hoped for. I hope they do it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZwg1t2iAo

Wow, that's incredible quality.

Amazing. The description of the restoration is incredible too; I'd love to see some of the outtakes where the AI thinks the curtains are made of hair. I imagine in a decade there'll be a fully immersive VR version of clips like these.

you're not missin' much by not seeing gary numan in 2022

yeah he's been goth industrial for quite some time. I know people who are still very very into him though. Anyway, I'm still sad that I never went and saw Genesis; they toured so infrequently and the times I was passionate about them never lined up with times when they were touring. I really assumed they'd hit the west coast on this one, and it wasn't to be. At least I've seen Gabriel half a dozen times. I do make it a point now to try to see people; had I not seen Bowie on his last tour when he played right down the street from me I would have really hated myself. I'll be going to Roxy this year as well. I see McCartney every time he comes to town and each time I've assumed it was the last opportunity; guy will probably still be touring 15 years from now.

Reminds me of someone I knew who decided to see B. B. King over Stevie Ray Vaughn, thinking "I'll be able to see Stevie anytime, this might be my last chance to see B. B."... and King outlived Vaughn by 25 years.

idk I like Numan's recent stuff

xp apologies, dying young is terrible, but with the way that joke was phrased, LMAO.

Reminds me of someone I knew who decided to see B. B. King over Stevie Ray Vaughn, thinking "I'll be able to see Stevie anytime, this might be my last chance to see B. B."... and King outlived Vaughn by 25 years.

I saw Stevie Ray Vaughn and I'd give anything to take that directionless, opiated show back for a solid BB King show.

The couple of years where Bowie, prince, Mark Hollis and Scott Walker all passed away kind of ushered in a new era for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLdFLl6iMek

one of the things i'm a huge nerd for is bootleg recordings

historically one of the things you find in boot circles is a sort of purism, you know, we want the whole show, including the tuning between songs, we have to listen to bob weir tell the "yellow dog" story every single time and that's never been my approach. like there's more music out there already than i can listen to

what i like about bootlegs these days is the _recording conditions_, they all _sound_ different. again some people only want bootlegs that sound _good_ and i am _not_ like that, i'm very up for shitty audience tapes. this is one of the reasons i avoided the dead for so long - i didn't even _know_ there were shitty-sounding dead audience tapes, but there's a _thriving_ audience tape fandom in dead circles these days, people who will stan for the AUD 1968-06-14 recording over the officially released board recording (and I agree with them). i worry that it's a little bit like people who prefer vinyl over cd, but with me it's not that, it's that for me it's better _because_ it's worse. the more megapixels there are in a picture, the harder it is to look good in one, you know? a little obfuscation is nice sometimes.

i'm also very into things that are _the same_ but _different_. bootlegs fill that niche for me. even if they're playing it the same way as on the album, it _sounds_ different.

so yeah i've gotten really into _the waiting room_, which i'd like to think, at least, is geir hongro's least favorite genesis song. and i said "ok i have to find every single recorded version of this song and listen to it"

i found the youtube channel of this person who's really into genesis boots in a way that... like i ain't got the time or the energy to devote that much thought to live genesis, you know? i'm a classic rock nerd and i'm very fond of live gabriel-era genesis, in large part i think because they _were_ uneven and inconsistent. gabriel didn't always hit the notes, _particularly_ at the end of the long and grueling _lamb_ tour. i was listening recently to a version of "anyway" where he sounds like fuckin' bob dylan. i kinda like that. when robert plant sounds awful i don't like it much, but when gabriel blows it i kinda like it. there's this famous bootleg of the lamb tour where there's a dramatic buildup to the first song and gabriel comes out doing his cultural appropriation bit (which is i fully acknowledge INCREDIBLY CRINGE) and starts to sing his first line and slips and falls on his face. i love that shit. there's a tape of the first gig on the european tour where a roadie does metric conversion wrong or something and puts in WAY TOO MUCH powder for the explosion at the end of "it". i mean at the time i'm sure it was terrifying, he could have fucking killed someone, chunks of the stage flew off, but knowing that nobody got hurt or killed it's _interesting_ to listen to.

anyway the person on the youtube channel, they go through the time of listening critically to all this stuff and i'm happy to use them as a secondary source to guide my listening. like things i didn't know about the tour. there are these real closed-off niche sites that i don't want to get into, i don't want to get involved in the _fan community_ because god knows how many Geirs there are in those places, nothing against them mind, i just gotta watch out what frames i put on my experiences. i didn't mess with yeeshkul, when it was around, i had the boots, but i didn't mess with yeeshkul.

anyway there's this kind of tension in the performances because gabriel's voice gets worse and worse as time goes on and instrumentally they get better and better. which isn't the same tension you see in zep, they didn't rise to new heights after plant blew his voice, though they were better in '72 than they were in '69 as a performing unit, probably. the line people usually draw is after the euro '73 tour, for plant's voice. i think that's fair. but with gabriel it's the reverse. that's what makes "the waiting room" particularly interesting, gabriel doesn't _necessarily_ sing on it (sometimes he puts in vocals or flute, later on), and the person on youtube, they say that it really starts taking off around march 29, most of the way through the euro tour - it's good before but on march 29 it becomes a completely different thing from the album version and not just an improvisation based _around_ the album version.

anyway the most interesting thing this person on youtube does is they have these painstaking meticulous edits put together, the "best versions" of any given song based on performance. with no regard given to sound quality, which i _love_ particularly. because you're hearing this song and you're hearing these drastic shifts in the soundscape sometimes within a line. and genesis is particularly rewarding for that because they _could_ be inconsistent in that way. you can say "oh he sings this line really well" and patch that in. but it's the reverse of seamless, it's obviously artificial, it draws attention to its artificiality. that's what i love about it. there are other groups you could do it with. you could do it with zep for certain - i don't know that anybody has. you could do it with van der graaf generator, i'm _pretty sure_ nobody has done it with them, unfortunately.

anyway this is the channel i'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/@KieranIsHome

Hard agree on this subject, I've been obsessed with boots since I was old enough to be able to attend record fairs and to peruse the tempting slabs of tapes that several of the record shops in Glasgow had laid out on their counters.

I feel exactly the same decades later and check D1m3 everyday, I have done since it was called Sharing The Groove, totally agree that a recording doesn't have to be EX, MX, FM or SB to capture your interest.

It has always mystified me how some bands that I liked to collect were very well served by live recordings (Floyd, The Bunnymen, The Cure, New Order, XTC) and some really are not (Cocteau Twins, Hawkwind, Laurie Anderson, Gong) all I can say is thank fuck for European radio stations (and the BBC)

I love shabby old festival or outdoor concert recordings where you can feel the texture of the crowd's responses and mood, recently I was listening to a pretty average recording of Roy Harper at the Ripon Rock Festival in 1984, it was most probably a dismal affair and the crowd sound so angry, (perhaps because the acts played quite far behind a big metal fence)

Similarly something like Pink Floyd at the Crystal Palace Bowl in 1971, the recordings are pretty rubbish but vibey in an unusual way, I think because crowds are more present where the music is often backgrounded by distance and amplified into open space and it flips the balance.

That Genesis site is great, thanks. I just listened to a Lamb tour soundcheck that was 10 mins of a sound guy saying 'test' over and over, that's real commitment to preservation.

oh, god yes, when bootlegs slide into outright ephemera? i _live_ for ephemera. that's why i binge on doctor who blu-rays. "here's an off-air recording of a BBC announcer promoting the next episode of _a question of sport_ right before the original broadcast of part 2 of "time-flight"." that's literally on one of the blu-rays.

With you on that one too, gimme a 10 min continuity slideshow of the set design from The Moonbase and I'm happy.

i was listening recently to a version of "anyway" where he sounds like fuckin' bob dylan

Pretty sure this is an intentional homage, though I never considered he might be doing it to give his voice a rest!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1AlDUhu28

Getting older has its plusses and minuses, but no joke, one of the best things about getting older is encountering people that have no idea how good a drummer Phil Collins was.

This Chester or Bruford era? Don't think I've ever seen Phil hand-drumming like during In the Cage before, and love him at the tympani at the start of Volcano. Wish the tracks weren't truncated tbh, but grateful for what's here.

It's Chester, isn't it? Think I see his head behind the cymbal on the drum duet

Bruford drummed with them in 1976, Chester was well established by this point.

Huge Genesis drop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3WWWSl35MU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ3hP51hTuA

http://www.youtube.com/@KieranIsHome

That last link is a host of soundboards.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZDBgECVwIyZK-RBZy0xFwWSLXZoB46iI

This is the full list of the leak, have grabbed everything up to before '92, and I'm not so fussed about Phil live, but I guess this Kieran guy will float them all on YT before long.

1973-01-10 Paris (VID)
1974-03-01 Passaic (SBD, tape 1 only)
1974-09-xx Lamb rough mixes and outtakes
1974-11-21 Chicago (OAM)
1976-07-09 Glasgow (SBD)
1976-07-10 Stafford (SBD, tape 2 only)
1977-02-24 Boston (SBD, tape 2 only)
1977-03-03 Quebec City (SBD)
1978-10-14 Chicago (SBD)
1978-10-22 Houston (SBD)
1980-04-28 Glasgow (SBD)
1980-06-30 Saratoga Springs (SBD)
1981-11-14 Rosemont (SBD)
1981-11-28 NYC (SBD)
1981-11-29 Uniondale (SBD, tape 2 only)
1981-11-30 Landover (SBD)
1981-12-02 Hartford (SBD)
1981-12-05 Ottawa (SBD)
1981-12-11 Syracuse (SBD)
1982-07-31 Peoria (SBD)
1982-08-01 Peoria (SBD, one tape only)
1982-08-07 Berkeley (SBD)
1982-08-13 Dallas (SBD)
1982-08-18 Clarkston (SBD)
1982-08-29 Montreal (SBD, tape 1 only)
1982-09-21 Birmingham (SBD, tape 2 only)
1982-09-30 London (SBD, tape 2 only)
1983-11-25 Philadelphia (AUD)
1983-11-26 Philadelphia (AUD)
1983-12-01 Hartford (SBD)
1983-12-02 Syracuse (SBD)
1983-12-07 Pittsburgh (SBD)
1983-12-10 Norfolk (OAM)
1984-01-12 Inglewood (SBD)
1984-02-01 Indianapolis (SBD, tape 1 only)
1984-02-16 Reno (SBD, tape 2 only)
1984-02-17 Las Vegas (SBD)
1984-02-20 Oakland (SBD)
1984-02-25 Birmingham (SBD, tape 1 only)
1986-10-01 NYC (SBD)
1986-10-03 NYC (SBD)
1986-12-17 Sydney (SBD, tape 2 only)
1987-02-01 Lexington (SBD)
1992-04-30 Houston, 1992-06-18 Los Angeles, 1992-06-25 Tinley Park (VID)
2007-04-25,26 Cossonay (SBD)

Phil Collins
1983-01-24 Fort Worth (SBD)
1985-02-07 Shepperton (SBD)
1985-02-08 Shepperton (SBD)
1985-02-09 Shepperton (VID)
1985-04-03 Sydney (VID)
1985-05-29 Dallas (SBD)

oyh nice, thanks for the hu on this

taken down :(((

Yeah, just saw that, I wouldn't fuck with Tony Smith, I bet he shouted very loudly at someone.

Oh, just seen that *all* the torrents on the Genesis movement website have been nuked, fuck, hope they don't go for d1m3

I assume someone saved them all, as they did with that Van Halen treasure trove?

Wish I had managed to grab some of the live Lamb shows and the Collins studio stuff but did manage a few 80-81 gigs. Great shows!

I think there are some mirror sires on reddit if you have a scout around