― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 March 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 6 March 2006 16:30 (twenty years ago)
http://www.radosh.net/images/PUA.jpg
i mean, maxim-level stuff but still.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 6 March 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 6 March 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)
― ,,,,,,,,,,,,, Monday, 6 March 2006 20:06 (twenty years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 6 March 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)
When are you going to post a news story about this whole thing, explaining why Nick is no longer on your masthead? Or will he simply never be spoken of again, as though he never was a key member of your staff?
"What's up with you and Nick S man?/Y'all okay man?"
Yours Truly,Indiefux4Life
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 March 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 March 2006 21:02 (twenty years ago)
― A. Poster, Monday, 6 March 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)
-Nick is a really great person (in person), and this is what's most important.
-My "case" is in NO WAY similar to Nick's. For one, and most importantly, I did not make anything up. I made a typo when typing a year (1999) at 3am, which my "editor" at Pitchfork did not pick up.
-In fact, my editor of the Radiohead story referenced in that PFM piece, JC at Stop Smiling, completely backs up my story as reflected in the Beastie Boys review. Email him if you actually give a shit.
-Also, it was a RECORD REVIEW, not front page journalism.
-Finally, Ryan has no spine whatsoever, and posted that retracted under bluffed legal pressure. Notice how I didn't write it? I was willing to call Steve Martin's bluff. Ryan was protecting his baby, and he no lawyer/legal experience and was not.
- PS, Steve Martin is actually an asshole. He wrote Chunklet in anger over not making their asshole list. He loves it when you call him that. Try it sometime.
Anyway, enjoy your board.
― brent_D, Monday, 6 March 2006 23:35 (twenty years ago)
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:37 (twenty years ago)
now it's not funny anymore.
or it's funny in a whole difft way.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:40 (twenty years ago)
― W i l l (common_person), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:45 (twenty years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:48 (twenty years ago)
if i never thought it wasn't true then i probably would never have found it funny.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:49 (twenty years ago)
OK, shoot.
That's really cool. I'm glad that being a good person doesn't mean you're exempt from rules.
Yeah, we figured. Are you one of those cats who writes at wierd hours too? Fuck it's tough being an artist.-In fact, my editor of the Radiohead story referenced in that PFM piece, JC at Stop Smiling, completely backs up my story as reflected in the Beastie Boys review. Email him if you actually give a shit.
We don't, but thanks for offering that.
I have this tiny razor I use to split hairs. But we all appreciate that you don't consider yourself a journalist, because we don't either.
Yes, it's Ryan who sold out.
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING.
Word.
― Jimmy Mod: The Prettiest Flower In The Pond (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)
― Zwan (miccio), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)
http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/s/sonic-youth/nyc-ghosts-and-flowers.shtml
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:55 (twenty years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 00:16 (twenty years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 00:35 (twenty years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 02:43 (twenty years ago)
― o -- (eman), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 02:48 (twenty years ago)
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 03:02 (twenty years ago)
― Jimmy Mod: The Prettiest Flower In The Pond (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:29 (twenty years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)
(i have no clue what i mean by that)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)
U R AWL BICHES
― Nick Sylvester, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:42 (twenty years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)
― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)
― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)
(Please note that I am not disputing that it is perfectly within his right to be a whiney bitch.)
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 01:54 (twenty years ago)
― LC, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 02:07 (twenty years ago)
I'll bet you can get this puppy to P1K if you post pix...
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 02:17 (twenty years ago)
The situations are the same - Martin called you out the same way Lookner did Nick. You're right to point out that you didn't make anything up and Nick did (and I maintain Nick's aggrandizement is totally inconsequential and should have been taken care of with an apologetic edit, but Lookner had to flex his muscle with the "I'm gonna burn you down!!" bullshit). The problem in your case with the Beastie review is that, although you didn't make anything up - I believed everything you wrote in that review - neither did you have any corroborating evidence or witnesses to support your characterization of Steve Martin. You openly stated the guy lied to you in a business transaction and did not deliver on promises he made, when according to Steve he never even dealt with you, it was all through an assistant.
"JC at my website has my back" is not going to cut it when you put forward a step-by-step condemnation of a guy's business ethics and credibility on one of the most important publications in his industry. You didn't realize how serious it played, you didn't treat it with the scrutiny required: you fucked up, you got called out. Admit it, revel in it - I fuck up constantly, it keeps my blood going. Steve is an asshole for doing that to you, and to Pitchfork, but he was in the right.
Badmouthing Ryan over it, trying to look tough ("bluffed legal pressure") when you were playing with Ryan's reputation, career and money the whole time? You want to blame someone, blame me: I was the one on the phone at 9:00AM - at my day job - telling Ryan to back down after talking it over with a lawyer friend of mine. Ryan went to all the bother to massage your wounded pride after the fact, saying "Yeah we would've won, Brent's right" or whatever, and you still call him spineless? That's so out of line it's untrue.
Maybe you'd show more humility if Steve had sued you personally for libel. He would have won.
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)
― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)
― p-rez, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)
― Jimmy Mod: The Prettiest Flower In The Pond (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)
do the publications that hire really young and green journalists teach them anything about the rules of journalism and covering their asses and on and on ...aka the basics?, b/c obviously for alot of these kids its not a common sense thing. i'm not just sticking up for the loser, it just seems like if you're gonna hire these kids and exploit their freshness, you should have an editor who's really on top of things and maybe give your writers some sort of journalism 101 class.
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)
― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)
― the watchtower, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)