Is the Beatles 1962-66 (the 'red' alb) the only record of theirs that you need?

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I think they did but couldn't lennon or mccartney say it was a load of rubbish and hire alice coltrane instead ;-)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:34 (twenty-three years ago)

soory, it should read: i think he (martin) did

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom = OTM re "Eleanor Rigby"

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:47 (twenty-three years ago)

If you want to hear arrangements being used in a more humane way there's always "For No One" anyway (which is wonderful).

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 10:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Does one need 'know what it's like to be dead' to fully understand them now?

dave q, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:11 (twenty-three years ago)

The two songs have always gone together for me as well. They are by far my favourite songs on that album and definitely amongst my absolute favourite Beatles songs.

I think "Tomorrow Never Knows" is overrated.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 11:16 (twenty-three years ago)

M Matos, you might want to try getting a copy of "Hello Goodbye" done as a rumba by Los Papines (whoever they r) on the album Here Comes. . . El Son.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:38 (twenty-three years ago)

(Amateurist, really? I still feel that I hear them. Despite my frequent posting to ILM, it doesn't matter to me that much whether I have something new or interesting to say about the music I listen to. But then, anyone who reads my posts would know. I don't think I just hear "legend" when I hear the Beatles. I don't often notice anything new, but for years I did; plus I also find that I have gotten more critical of them over the years. I don't let them slide in every case, just because they are the Beatles.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

''This thread has got me wondering whether I really like music at all.''

I hope not ameteurist.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 13:56 (twenty-three years ago)

marcello, you forgot magical mystery tour.

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)

since every other record has a mention, i'd like to mention how much i like the comedy intros and the covers on the bbc recordings. soldier of love, yay. otherwise, i think marcello is bang-on about hard day's night and the white album.

dave k, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

''i think marcello is bang-on about hard day's night and the white album.''

its not a 10 tho'. this 'ambition' that is often talked abt is there but the execution is poor at times.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you kidding? I hate all that fucking yacky-dacky, "I love you, do you love me, can I hold your hand but dance don't with another guy" Merseybeat fucking SHITE! Puerile rubbish.

Dadaismus, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Dadaismus do you hate love?

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom is so OTM about "Eleanor Rigby" it isn't funny.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom, are you serious?!??!

Dadaismus, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello you also forgot Help! ! (which I like so nyeh)

My fave compilation is my old greatest hits LP Hey Jude. Except the back looks different.

I listened to Eleanor Rigby on earphones the other day for the first time in ages and I was pretty amazed at how violin-y the violins sound. String arrangements are usually sucked dry on rock records, but you can really hear the scraping.

Sam (chirombo), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

dan you only think tom is OTM abt elenor rigby bcz you like the song.

I couldn't understand what he was on abt but I'll listen to it again tonight.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Julio I was just saying that I didn't buy the "eleanor rigby should be more emotional" argument someone was giving out upthread. I love the song though but I think you can like it w/o thinking I'm right.

Dadaismus I wasn't totally serious but I can't empathise.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

You had worried there Tom...

Dadaismus, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

OK tom.

dadaismus- that's the first thing i thought when I heard 'love me do' but i heard it on TV and avoided buying this stuff for years. but once i saw the double LP for 2 quid at a bargain sale I really had to check it out (this was abt 6 months ago though I only heard it a few times since then).

its not puerile. in fact its quite powerful.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

'you can work it out': the apple years?

I'm with Matos, in that I never really got the "they've been talked to death" until I was well into my 20s -- actually, I don't think I heard that until I read ILM. Funny too, because they were really the first band I fell completely in love with.

When I become old and senile, I'm going to be the guy who accuses all the houligans who dare to say they hate the Beatles, or say they're overrated, of being no-good whipper-snappers who need a good kick in the pants.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I should qualify my statement. I just hate the early Beatles (pre 65). I'm indifferent to the later Beatles. Julio, I've been hearing that stuff all my life - that's one of the reasons I hate it!

Dadaismus, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I avoid listening to stuff i don't want to. i've been fairly successful so far.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

"Yellow Submarine" is the only album of theirs that you don't need.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)

How would you get 'Hey Bulldog'?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Good answer: Rock and Roll Vol. 2(?)

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:18 (twenty-three years ago)

it's on the first r&r

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard of the Beatles.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

How would you get 'Hey Bulldog'?

I'd miss "Only a Northern Song" considerably more (although a better version of that one is on "Anthology" anyway)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey Bulldog - brimming over with life
Only A Northern Song - life-sapped (it's OK though)

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Amateurist,
I meet more and more people who share your (and my) opinion that their early years are their best years; it's getting to be less of a minority view. Once you really start listening (hearing music rather than legacy), the stuff about the later songs being more "writerly" or "ambitious" just seems weird. It's very early on that they really stretched the most boundaries, redefined where songs can go ("I'll Be Back," "If I Fell," "There's a Place"); their bridges are often like nothing else.

Except for A Hard Day's Night, none of their albums are especially consistent and I agree with Matos that the covers on For Sale are pretty yuck (except for "Words of Love"). But the best tracks on that album ("Every Little Thing," "Eight Days a Week," "No Reply," "What You're Doing") destroy anything on Revolver (which is still a good record).

Burr (Burr), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven months pass...
This is my favo(u)rite Beatles thread on ILM.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't need to buy ANY of their albums. Just tape about five hours of a typical "oldies" radio station. You're bound to hear pretty much every song they ever did!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

nineteen years pass...

There are new versions of this and its blue twin coming out supposedly. Can’t make head or tail of quite why though.

piscesx, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 21:32 (two years ago)

yeah it's a weird one, they are also expanding them both with more tracks, presumably to just make them more comprehensive 'best ofs' (which is fine I guess; I'm not buying it, might use it as a good streaming playlist though).

This is also where Now and Then (the final threetles recording) is winding up, which is odd since it certainly did not exist in any form in the timeframe of the titles of these comps.

Now and Then allegedly finally being announced this week, and released early November. Or announced next week. Or the following.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 22:03 (two years ago)

word on hoffman forums from an insider is that there are going to be like a trillion different variations of these as well, presumably to maximise profit. dumb, but unsurprising.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 22:16 (two years ago)

A different cover variant for every NBA team.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 22:21 (two years ago)

You don't need to buy ANY of their albums. Just tape about five hours of a typical "oldies" radio station. You're bound to hear pretty much every song they ever did!

I'm sorry I missed quality posting like this.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 25 October 2023 01:44 (two years ago)

Now and Then officially announced tomorrow morning US time, release on the 3rd.

Red and Blue reissue the week after I believe with added tracks including Now and Then for some dumb reason.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 26 October 2023 02:31 (two years ago)

New track lists

1962-1966
1. Love Me Do
2. Please Please Me
3. I Saw Her Standing There
4. Twist and Shout
5. From Me to You
6. She Loves You
7. I Want to Hold Your Hand
8. This Boy
9. All My Loving
10. Roll Over Beethoven
11. You Really Got a Hold on Me
12. Can't Buy Me Love
13. You Can't Do That
14. A Hard Day's Night
15. And I Love Her
16. Eight Days a Week
17. I Feel Fine
18. Ticket to Ride
19. Yesterday

1. Help!
2. You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
3. We Can Work It Out
4. Day Tripper
5. Drive My Car
6. Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)
7. Nowhere Man
8. Michelle
9. In My Life
10. If I Needed Someone
11. Girl
12. Paperback Writer
13. Eleanor Rigby
14. Yellow Submarine
15. Taxman
16. Got to Get You into My Life
17. I'm Only Sleeping
18. Here, There and Everywhere
19. Tomorrow Never Knows

1967-1970
1. Strawberry Fields Forever
2. Penny Lane
3. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
4. With a Little Help From My Friends
5. Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds
6. Within You, Without You
7. A Day in the Life
8. All You Need Is Love
9. I Am the Walrus
10. Hello, Goodbye
11. The Fool on the Hill
12. Magical Mystery Tour
13. Lady Madonna
14. Hey Jude
15. Revolution

1. Back in the U.S.S.R.
2. Dear Prudence
3. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
4. Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
5. Glass Onion
6. Blackbird
7. Hey Bulldog
8. Get Back
9. Don't Let Me Down
10. The Ballad of John and Yoko
11. Old Brown Shoe
12. Here Comes the Sun
13. Come Together
14. Something
15. Octopus's Garden
16. Oh! Darling
17. I Want You (She's So Heavy)
18. Let It Be
19. Across the Universe
20. I Me Mine
21. The Long and Winding Road
22. Now and Then

piscesx, Thursday, 26 October 2023 05:22 (two years ago)

Some awkward choices, they clearly tried to put in more George songs but the additions weren't necessarily his best, and there are some covers don't really belong there even though they're really good. (The one Motown cover I would have added is "Money," easily the one they did that substantially improves on the original, and that's not included.) "Hey Bulldog" is a baffling addition - if you REALLY needed to added an exclusive track from the Yellow Submarine soundtrack, George's "It's All Too Much" would be the one, and strangely that's passed over for other, lesser George songs.

But the two additional songs from Please Please Me are perfect, they were always major omissions. Revolver was egregious underrepresented, so those additions are all welcome. Same with "The White Album." If they're going to add "Now and Then" as bait, might as well add "Free As a Bird" and "Real Love" - anyone who really wants any of the 'reunion' tracks should be rewarded with all three in one place.

birdistheword, Thursday, 26 October 2023 05:50 (two years ago)

Still no « rain »…

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 26 October 2023 06:11 (two years ago)

Gotta keep that sweetass Past Masters gravy train rollin'...

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 October 2023 06:14 (two years ago)

Assuming they did want to honor some of the old A/B magic by now including..."This Boy" and "You Can't Do That". (I like the latter, but still would trade it for any of the other Lennon Hard Days trax...or "Things We Said Today".)

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 October 2023 06:19 (two years ago)

It's funny how they can expand these like they're doing and <still> miss several radio staples and lesser chart hits & flips. "Matchbox" was a US Top 20 Hit!

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 October 2023 06:27 (two years ago)

Not one of my favorites, but "Birthday" is kind of a massive hit in its own way. I would've added the Abbey Road medley but obviously that would probably take away a lot of sales from the already-heavily-represented album.

birdistheword, Thursday, 26 October 2023 07:09 (two years ago)

It’s always a bit of a mind blower to me that You Won’t See Me is overlooked with these things.

I do recall I’m Only Sleeping coming very high in the official ILX Beatles tracks poll many years ago. Like, in the Top 5 or something.

piscesx, Thursday, 26 October 2023 07:14 (two years ago)

Disagree with birdistheword about it being a quirky selection, particularly on George. Taxman and Within You Without You feel like obvious picks: I'm not the biggest fan of the former but when I think about omissions from original it's his most famous one; the latter his greatest achievement. If I Needed Someone more of an arguable pick but I love it.

If I were swapping out Roll Over Beethoven for another cover, for balance (and personal taste) I'd probably go for a non-rocker, a girl group cover like Please Mr Postman or Baby It's You. But that's a minor thing.

Hey Bulldog is a riot: I think there's a widely held feeling that it was tucked away on YS so a perfect chance to shine here. I think It's All Too Much wears its deep cut clothes well - leave it where it is.

Alba, Thursday, 26 October 2023 07:49 (two years ago)

xp "i'm only sleeping" was top 10 in the poll here yeah, so was "hey bulldog". both are great

some of these additions make perfect sense but others are pretty odd. like, where is "rain"? "getting better" and "good day sunshine" are weird omissions in terms of being ubiquitous from radio play? surely there are better harrison tracks to add than "taxman" and "within you without you", what about "i want to tell you" and "long long long"? why "glass onion" of all things, why not "helter skelter" or "julia"?

ufo, Thursday, 26 October 2023 07:55 (two years ago)


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