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dude, relax, no need to keep trying to hasten the Cam'ron backlash when Killa Season is doing all the work for you.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

You really think the indie press treat TORTURED POET OF OUR GENERATION Pete Doherty in the same way they treat DMX ("I say, wouldn't it be funny if he'd said "I am not doing my seatbelt up... nigga!")?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)

I think it is actually related to the fact that only rappers who are perceived to be critiquing black culture (De La's hippie-isms, Arrested Development's get-back-to-yr-roots-isms, Kanye's Benz-plus-backpack-isms and she-named-her-daughter-Lexus-isms) ever win critic's polls. And it's not just white critics who do this, either, although black critics do it less often; plenty of African Americans who feel themselves to be outside "black gangster" culture [whatever that is] seem to end up in the crit world.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Thorny related question: why is Sun Ra so much more of a rockcrit/non-jazzer touchstone than Dizzy or Bird or Mingus?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Because Sun Ra is a big hippie, so much more liberated than those stodgy old boppers; those dudes actually counted out time, Mingus wrote out his solos maaaaaan

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

because Sun Ra did things that Bird Dizzy and Mingus never even tried, things which also work outside of a strictly jazz context...?

(and I'm not making any silly Pete Doherty=DMX direct comparisons Dom, just noting that focusing on erratic/"crazy" personas of stars is not unique to rap)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Dipset is novelty rap?

Anyway, they like novelty-rap because novelty songs are the best!

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Is the Clipse novelty rap?

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:25 (twenty years ago)

(and I'm not slagging off Bird or Dizzy or Mingus btw - tho really Mingus is the only one of the three I'm really drawn to)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

I think I've finally arrived at the conclusion that I only check AV Club every week for funny stuff like DVD Commentary Tracks of the Damned, a lot of them have pretty corny taste and write embarrassingly unnecessary features like this: http://www.avclub.com/content/node/47756

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

So wait, DMX is a novelty rapper now?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Id say Mingus is on about equal regard with Sun Ra if a little bit less, but you might seek that thread someone posted about Sun Ra's drumming.

Period period period (Period period period), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

AV Club in having a shitty music section shocker.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

you gotta remember, a large segment of the American public only hears rappers' names a lot when they get arrested. check the spikes in news reference volume:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=dmx&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

hahah not tryna 'hasten the cam backlash' or anything, like i said in the original post i can see the rockcrit world has kinda moved on from this by now (at least our superfuturistic cutting edge ilm/pfork/vvoice world, i think alt-weeklies in utah or whatever still jock dr octagon over "trap-hop") but its still a mode of rap listening used by alot of listeners and if you check more populist sources like amazon.com reviews or whatever youll see it really hasnt lost any steam since the 90s heyday of omg-isnt-odb-kuhrrrazy

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

xpost al i think that just means a large segment of the american public only SEARCHES for rappers names when they get arrested - i been down with x since flesh of my flesh but i dont google his name every morning for shits n giggles

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

more non-rap examples - m.j., bobby & whitney, rick james post-chappelle

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=2FC61FC62F1B6181

JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

i separate this from dudes who seem to actually care enough about rap to love the dullest stuff

Oh, I get it, this is all a parody.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

is this the same thing that goes on in every genre (brian wilson, tori amos, etc) & im just pissed by how it goes with rap?

I think this is the key sentence/question; I don't think the impulse behind the type of appreciation you're talking about across these various genres is appreciably different. People like watching "crazy" people, regardless of whether they're actually crazy or not. The point where it gets murky/tricky is when you wrap race baggage up with the already existing "I like looking at things that resemble train wrecks" baggage; people start ascribing craziness to ethnicity/gender (see also the cult of Tori/Kate/Laurie for examples) and then everything becomes a total "seriously, did you really just say that with a straight face?" cringefest.

Dan (Good Question) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

the google search volume isn't really spiking at the time of those arrests, though, at least not nearly as much as the news reference volume. which means that probably a lot of normal adults who read the newspaper but don't listen to hip hop radio only hear about guys like DMX hwen they get arrested.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

There is a big big difference between "novelty" and the cult of mental illness though.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

dan surprisingly otm

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I mean, I don't think that "They're Coing to Take Me Away Ha Ha" dude was actually crazy.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

eppy my point was theres a difference between omg-people-under-the-stairs-bring-back-real-1993-boombap-and-lyrics & omg-deltron-hes-from-SPACE!!!@@ and only recently has there even been a number of critics in the non-rap press who take creating modern rap music as something you can succeed or fail at on its own terms

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Oh OK, fair enough.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

i mean its non uncommon for a rock dude to jock both anticon & little brother but aside from not bein "mainstream" they got nothing in common

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

no but there's definitely a point where the "crazy" persona of the artist gets incorporated into an appreciation of their work (cf Phil Spector, aforementioned Brian Wilson, ODB, Kool Keith, etc) and in many cases informs their work on a literal level (ie, Keith rapping about being crazy, Brian singing about getting fat and sleeping a lot, etc.). I don't think "novelty" is really the appropriate musical term to use here, insofar as it has specific genre associations.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

I still think it's weird that you have to love the dull stuff rather than simply pay attention to the dull stuff to qualify. I don't think liking the novelty ends of genres is necessarily a problem.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

(uh x-post - ref'ing "They're Coming to Take Me Away Ha Ha" upthread)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

oh rabin http://www.avclub.com/content/node/48244

Make 'em say "Ugh..."

We used to call this guy Master P-nis. Get it?

I sure do miss those chintzy, Photoshopped album covers, though. Everybody was jocking that "fresh off the color copier at Kinko's" look.

Comment by: SnowWhiteTrash at May 10, 2006 - 8:57am

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

"Seriously, he’s the Ronnie Dobbs of hip hop."

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:51 (twenty years ago)

(everything you need to know about the onion av club in one sentence)

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

i had to look that one up - ugh!!!

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00009ZPU7.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

"THE ULTIMATE SPOOF ON REALITY!"

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

The dismissal of DMX's music is annoying, but the line about the 747 cracked me up. Celebrities of all creeds & colors get the "we love loony" treatment in the VH1 universe, though.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

is cam really crazy?

jäxøñ (jaxon), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

pen & pixel covers were sweet wtf!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

to be fair, it's not like black people and/or serious hip hop fans are never guilty of the "omg he's crazy" mentality. I'm sure if you checked a rap message board thread or barbershop conversation about DMX these days you'd hear a lot more "lol at that crackhead" than "X is a hero of the people and the man is keeping him down" (although in the late 90s it probably would've been more of the latter). still, the rappers that garner the most respect from the average rap fans are generally calm collected T.I./Jay-Z types who seem rational and in control even when they're beefing or getting arrested, not wacky ODB types.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

to be fair, it's not like black people and/or serious hip hop fans are never guilty of the "omg he's crazy" mentality.

If I'm not mistaken, Nathan Rabin is black.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

haha wait, I'm wrong. Never mind.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I LUV THAT CRAZY SHIT HOOK ME UP WITH SOME OF THAT CRAZY SHIT EMINEM IS BUGGIN' DID YOU HEAR WHAT HE SAID ABOUT HIS MOMZZZZZZZZZZZZZ LOL!

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mediabistro.com/mbtoolbox/original/nathan3-thumb.jpg

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

^^^ nathan.jpg

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

dan OTM, basically.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

interview with Rabin

What's the difference between something being "off the hizzity" and "all gravy train"?

Well, I'm no E-40-type cunning linguist, but "all gravy" is like a state of utter contentment, while off the hizzety simply means that something is the bomb diggity, and perhaps "all gravy" to boot. Incidentally, all my slang I borrowed from William F. Buckley. That brother got soul by the pound.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

alex otm about Commentary Tracks Of The Damned, btw. The only Onion-related thing I search out these days.

Zwan (miccio), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

You're a devotee of Ebay. What are some of your favorite purchases?

I'd have to say my favorite ebay purchases have been the ones where after I received the item I said to myself "Now why the fuck did I want this in the first place?". Such items include a 2Pac can cooler (for all those instances in which you need a thug in your life to keep your cans cool) and a Dream Warriors sand sieve. The Dream Warriors, incidentally, were a Canadian rap group that rapped about rolling the twelve-sided die, which makes them, officially, the coolest people ever.

Who is killing all the great chefs of Europe?

I think they all died from inside jokes run amok. Also, George Segal was involved. Also, Hootie. Have you seen that Hootie is trying to re-invent himself as an R&B lover-man? His new single is even called "Wild One", as in "I, Hootie, the doughy poster-boy for wussy folk-rock stylings, fancy myself a wild one on account of my lascivious and decadent lifestyle". Well, I tell you something, Claire: I'm twice as wild as Hootie. Maybe even three times as wild.

You have written for B.E.T. Did you have to pretend to be black like the guy in "Soul Man?" I assume that's how your name appears on the "Anarchist People of Color" website as well.

No, no, I'm afraid I did not have to engage in any comical mischief to write for BET. I may have to engage in some comical mischief if they're ever to pay me however. I hope this interview makes clear just how much time and energy I devote to thinking about when I finna get paid. Also, how much I care about the babies.

What's a nice Jewish boy from the Midwest doing knowing so much about hip-hop?

Claire, I'm from the streets, so it's second nature for me to kick knowledge about the rap game, which, incidentally, is alot like the crack game. No, honestly, I've always been attracted to the genre's anti-authoritarian bent. Also, the sheer number of big booty freaks currently waiting for a brother such as myself to get his mack on old school. All of which is to say that we should all put the interests of the children first.

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

I've never actually heard an mf doom album. i'd probably like it though. i liked kmd. i wanna hear that rugged dude too. doesn't he eat people on stage? i really like the new yo gotti album and he's crazy fuckin' boring.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

uh--i think "I.B.S." pretty much seals the deal. i don't think even biz would have released that song.

max (maxreax), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

DMX barks like a dog...
listen to "Where My Dog's At?" if you really want to laugh
this guy is convinced he's an actual dog.....unbelievable

and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

iggy pop ACTUALLY WANTS TO BE YOUR DOG....unbelievable

impudent harlot, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

the baha boys actually don't know who let the dogs out.....unbelievable

s1ocki, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

baha MEN

and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

unbelievable

s1ocki, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

I believe every word of it! Unbelievable!

Mark G, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

baha boys becoming baha men
baha men becoming wolves

impudent harlot, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

werewolf baha mitzvah

and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

You really think the indie press treat TORTURED POET OF OUR GENERATION Pete Doherty in the same way they treat DMX ("I say, wouldn't it be funny if he'd said "I am not doing my seatbelt up... nigga!")?

-- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:04 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

i say!

and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

All-time classic Passantino post there.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

3. People who primarily listen to a certain type of music (in this case, I guess, indie rock, but I've known just as many who were into emo, trance, metal, and more) but listen to hip hop when they aren't really in the mood for whatever their chosen "serious" music is, like at house parties, certain club nights with offensive themes in certain parts of New York City, and wherever else they might be kicking back and drinking and/or doing drugs.

if only being a tokenist was actually this cool.

bnw, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

Are you not familiar with the horrors of Kill Whitey Night?

The Reverend, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

i listen to a lot of rap during Kill Whitey Morning & Afternoon (ie my commute)

gff, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

i hate that awkward overrhyming bullshit he does - wait why did dude just say 'scrappy doo is gonna break the china'? oh now hes saying 'happy you got on a fake vagina', very clever

-- and what (ooo), Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:31 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

still like doom but this is L.O.L.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

Zwan, you're the elusive Type 4 whose favorite craaazy rapper is Fred Durst.

-- Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:09 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

not to pat myself on the back but lol @ this (and at jess's screenname at the beginning of the thread)

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

Buzi father of Ezekiel

mkcaine, Monday, 14 April 2008 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

CRAZY ILXORS

The Reverend, Monday, 14 April 2008 23:58 (eighteen years ago)

PPS I am also the proud owner of a "CRUNK'S NOT DEAD" Neigborhoodie

-- bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:38 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

CRAZY ILXORS

-- The Reverend, Monday, 14 April 2008 23:58 (Yesterday) Link

REV OTM

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 01:12 (eighteen years ago)

-- CERTAIN TYPE OF RAP LISTENER (whineyg), Wednesday, 17 May 2006

in light of the best album of 88 poll lol @ this

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 02:08 (eighteen years ago)

i coulda sworn i was on this thread but come to think of it i was prob intimidated

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 02:09 (eighteen years ago)

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QS5ZjX5i1D2z_M:http://www.shawnmortensen.org/TupacVibe.jpg

and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

would love to revive this for more discussionz but im too!! busy!! some tard plz say something we can argue about for 400 posts :-)

and what, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1603642/20090127/lil_wayne.jhtml

Wayne is the most interesting rock star in the world. By a mile. In fact, here's an even better one: He is Axl Rose. It's not that great of a leap. Both could kindly be described as "eccentric" (or full-blown batsh--). Both promised (threatened?) to release ill-advised vanity projects, neither listening to the doubters who sniggered that it would never happen and the advisers who said it would be a terrible idea. To extend the comparison, Wayne's Rebirth is basically Rose's Chinese Democracy, minus 15 years and millions of dollars. ("Prom Queen" actually sounds like one of the more industrial tracks on Democracy.) It will probably garner the same reception, both critically and commercially.

and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:51 (seventeen years ago)

why didn't i make the connection before?? it's so obvious

Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 January 2009 15:58 (seventeen years ago)

is Lil Wayne an anagram of something rude?

O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:00 (seventeen years ago)

"alley win"

and what, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:04 (seventeen years ago)

wily anel?

O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, 30 January 2009 16:07 (seventeen years ago)

wine yall

eman, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:08 (seventeen years ago)

"wallin' 'Ye" could describe his relationship with Kanye West

some dude, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:08 (seventeen years ago)

http://i40.tinypic.com/av4pxf.jpg

eman, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:10 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.mtv.com/sitewide/images/u/icon-voteu.gif 0%

eman, Friday, 30 January 2009 16:11 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kzuz08zAtB1qbrus1o1_500.gif

http://gifsofpopularrappers.tumblr.com/ <---- so goood!!

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:44 (sixteen years ago)

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kz8d48r6s11qbrus1o1_500.gif

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:47 (sixteen years ago)

goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie

sodamrongerbot (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:48 (sixteen years ago)

there are some funny gifs on that blog but goons could do much better if we knew how to gif

hipster puddy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 26 March 2010 23:58 (sixteen years ago)

I keep copying posts and every time I scroll down to paste them in the goddamn post box I see another post I want to copy instead and now I'm typing this bullshit

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 27 March 2010 00:10 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie

Mary Ty$ Band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:02 (thirteen years ago)

this thread somehow remained unbumped through the whole Lil B era

Mary Ty$ Band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:03 (thirteen years ago)

lol

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:05 (thirteen years ago)


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