Pitchfork's P2k: The Decade in Music

The list is pretty damn solid. If I was gonna make my own list, it would pretty much look like their hip-hop choices minus the mid-decade stumping for trap-rap and dipset

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, August 21, 2009 1:29 AM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

which tracks are you excluding here?

do yr shoulders bruise from patting yourself on the back so hard

i'm patting myself on the back because I'm saying I like 80% of p4k's rap choices?

i care more about that than lcd stansystem fans arguing over which single of the two that placed in the top 20 is better

― butthurt (deej), Friday, August 21, 2009 2:30 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Good for you. imo, "Losing My Edge" probably placed right. But I wouldn't have even put "All My Friends" in the top 100.

I can see the "99 Problems" thing. None of my white friends were into Jay-Z until that came out.

― im a square wave and this is my hetero life partner jim jonsin (The Reverend), Friday, August 21, 2009 1:29 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

get new white friends

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Great song, but I hate how he writes: "and product placements ("Yo quiero Taco Bell") that read like the world's first Twitter feed.", as if that is an inspiring reason it is ahead of its time (kind of a stretch too as an example). I feel like he is subtly hinting at Twitter as an important cultural phenomenon. I just hate Twitter- it is the worst example of our cultural need to spew digital brain vomit.

Even if the twitter comment is OTM you could get into the critical debate over whether being influential equals being worthwhile. Talking about how "important" and what a touchstone, say, "Is This It?" was doesn't get into the issue of whether it was any good.

In my opinion, too much criticism focuses on influence and not enough on whether or not and why something is great per se. The blurbs can be repetitive when they're little more than a secret history of indie rock trends.

I can see the "99 Problems" thing. None of my white friends were into Jay-Z until that came out.

Around when 99 Problems came out I remember this teenage would-be record producer of my friend's band lecturing us kids on why Jay-Z wasn't gangta rap because "he raps about clothes and shit. That's not gangsta rap. That's totally different." So there were a lot of misconceptions about Jay-Z at the time.

xxp: Seriously, I don't think I knew anyone white who took Jay-Z seriously until "99 Problems" came out, even hiphop dudes. I found it kind of confounding at the time that only black dudes and chicks listened to Jay-Z. Obviously, this is my limited anecdotal evidence, I'm sure your circles were a lot more hip than mine, whatever.

idk man - i remember "big pimpin" & "i just wanna luv u" & "can i get a..." & "izzo" & "dirt off your shoulder" all being pretty big mainstream crossover successes. maybe it got every last white person on the planet but i mean cmon, the guy had like 6 #1 albums before "99 problems" was released. just an asinine statement.

Keep in mind that I grew up in a pretty square place.

like i remember "big pimpin" being big at bar mitzvahs and shit but yeah maybs you are right and i did have hipper, cooler white friends (all of them were jews fwiw)

And I'm not saying dudes didn't fuck with his party songs or whatever, saying they didn't take him seriously as an artist.

Should have made that distinction clearer.

i think the idea that "99 problems" made jay-z more respected except to ppl who were completely & utterly oblivious beforehand (this is like such a small portion of the listening audience) is really wrong

and why is it even notable then that it made jay-z respected by all types of white people? who cares? you could say that about probably 100 songs on that list and it wouldn't mean anything for any of them

"Hard Knock Life" was polled in 2008 as VH1 viewers' choice for best Jay-Z song if that drives home Jordan's point any further

hard knock life is one of the worst things ever. god, so irritating

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Fwiw, I have white friends who still try to clown on me for liking Wayne. One of them said "Live Your Life" was the first T.I. song he could respect. :(

een: not sure exactly what your point is?

99 Problems is still the only Jay-Z song I can reliably get away with playing at indie music type club nights.

It's a bit weird what Hip-hop has and has not made it to Australia. T.I. and Lil Wayne still get blank stares.

blender really beat pitchfork to the BOB canonizing punch

pretty sure B.O.B. has been canon since roundabout when Stankonia came out, dude

I don't know, ms. jackson won pazz and jop....

and "B.O.B." came in third

Really fucking glad to see BOB voted the best song of the decade, especially considering it will be forgotten by every other publication who will just stump for Hey Ya and forget it.

xpost - ok, I only really know uk publications so maybe not.

I remember when "B.O.B." came out, I was totally gassed, thinking it was the future of music. Boy was I wrong.

Also, Paper Planes WTF. Sure, put it in the top 500 but third best song of the decade? Oh well, great read, thank you pitchfork writers.

yean nvm reverend you are right. i'm just bitter ignition didn't win

Has Ween been shafted? I think they have. An embarrassment of riches.

As much as I love this band, Ween doesn't have any especially definitive songs from the past 10 years, except for "Where'd The Cheese Go" which actually should be in this, but I guess it wasn't obvious enough.

Remember when people cared about Sigur Ros?

I enjoyed Agaetis Byrjun (or whatever it's called) just a few days ago..

I personally consider most of Pitchfork's choices from 2007, 2008 or 2009 to be overrated.. Somehow I think I stopped agreeing with the general consensus of "best new music" over the past 3 years.

Ummm call me old fashioned but the definitive Paper Planes is the original..

yeah saying that you can't pick just one "paper planes" is also asinine

no zonday no credibility

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Perhaps picking up a Paper planes remix was the dark horse.

"Not a phrase is wasted: When the Mountain Goats' John Darnielle started a message board thread on 100 reasons for this song's greatness, every single fraction of "Ignition (Remix)" got its own nomination (and the list went well beyond 100)."

Haha

paper planes and all my friends = not deserving of placements that high AT ALL.
but generally a good list and pleased to see deerhoof and fuck buttons in there.
think it was let down in general on the dance/electro side a bit. basement jaxx and spiller = :-(

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paper planes and all my friends = not deserving of placements that high AT ALL.

otm, but still more deserving than the bullshit in 8-10

im keeping it posi in the 09 but can i just say with heartfelt heartfeltness here - paper planes and all my friends are some abysmal BS

especially paper planes, my god that song sucks ass on every conceivable level

I must've missed the 'We Are The World'-feeling that song ignited according to Sherburne

i got more of a 'god her vocals don't get less annoying, hmm gunshot samples are sounding ancient nowadays, wow these lyrics are bad' type feeling

Paper Planes is fun. Possibly not third best song of decade level of fun however.

'Here was another outsider, this one a Sri Lankan Tamil raised in a London slum who won over listeners with global-minded beats and revolutionary chic. '

^didn't she go to an art school? Or did I imagine that. Wasn't that where the first album came from? Is this like punk all over again?

i think Paper Planes is still pretty good, normal caveats of MIA aside (lyrics a bit uhh, neither scenius nor genius etc...), but no way should it be that high. i would have rather have had Boyz or Jimmy on the list if a single had to be taken from that album. but i guess it's a hotly debated/touted indie/internet creation that made it big and had crossover appeal, therefore justifying the countless hours of navel-gazing debate and is thus representative of what the 2000's were.

or not. dig the clash sample tho.

do you guys think "freakfolk" bands like CocoRoco will be shunned on p4k list because its "meme capacity" is all time low?

― CaptainLaRoux (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 01:33 (3 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what happened 2 the band "new weird amrca"? did they break up?

― CaptainLaRoux (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 01:34 (3 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

"Are" "you" Carles?

eh decent list when all was said and done.

i mean i know mark p. is from london and all but what... the... fuck...

He's from Canada. Lives in London.