Simon Reynolds - C or D

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Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

i read that poschardt book!

iirc it's good.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

It's way more academic than most histories of electronic music / Djing, both in a good and a bad way. There's some sentences I don't simply understand, even though I have read a lot of the same theorists as he has, but in general I think his Foucault-inspired sociological analysis of dancefloor politics is more spot-on than what I've read in any other book on the subject. Being a German, I think he injects some interesting discourses that are left out in the more established histories written by Britons or Americans.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

OTM on Poschardt, I'm less familiar w/Foucault etc than you guys but managed to mine some interesting data from DJ Culture. The wooden, impenetrable stretches of prose I chalked up to translation.

he [Reynolds]says he quite liked dance music but didn't "get" it until '92 or so. He mentions how he described the second Bomb the Bass album as "progressive dance", a term which made him cringe when he remembered it later on.

overdetermined. similiarly, the only part of Generation XTC I didn't like, the part that made me cringe, was the self-flagellating intro where he copped to liking dance music for the wrong reasons. gasp!

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

Basically SR is INDIE BOY and has spent the last 15 years in costly self-denial.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

haha i read it when i was 18 so i doubt i'd even heard of foucault then!

xpost

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

This thread (on which an old Bogshed/Pigbros/Stump review by him is linked) is trying to figure out what Simon was liking in 1986:

Bogshed - kings of swing: discuss

If you know, please go there and tell people.

xhuxk (xhuck), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

SR doesnt seem very bothered about music at the mo, the fact he doesnt think that anything amazing is going on seems to have contributed to the ennui and 'cant be fuckededness' in a lot of his posts on his blog. i mean, even he must know that gorrillaz song with the ed case remix was massive, and not just a little pirate radio thing. the fact he changed his tune about snoop dogg in a matter of days after he read john cale (or was it eno?) in uncut bigging snoop was a bit embarassing. he went from calling him 'haggard' to almost gushing about him!

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

SR: "doesn't Damon Albarn's The Good, The Bad & The Queen supergroup project sound just a tiny bit like a middlebrow take on h****ology?"

Next time I see this word I am going to throttle someone!

'-ology' - as though it were an actual field of study, rather than an excuse for basket-case pseuds like k-punk to wibble on for page upon page - when all they're really saying is "IT'S A BIT SPOOKY THIS INNIT"

braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

otm

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Re: the pirates thing, though, surely this can be explained by his living abroad?

braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

if only there was some way of accessing information about foreign countries, perhaps via some kind of computer interface, before writing articles...

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

"hauntology" is the worst word ever, yes

(apart from the one which l jagger keeps saying which i'm not even going to type here)

lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

What the hell is hauntology?!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

hauntology > overtired

vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

fuck knows. something to do with stuff which is like between being and not being, but not in an existentialist way, about echoes of the past, but not in a nostalgic way, etc.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Basically the Blissblog/Dissensus/Wire/Resonance mob prefer their musicians to be safely dead.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Momus nails it obliquely on the head here.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Back up. Hauntology is an actual term somewhere?

(Side note, meantime -- I'll be back in the UK in early March for a week kthxbye.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, I'm totally confused now...

(x-post)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Stop spamming Ned.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Momus nails it obliquely on the head here

...a bit rich from the man responsible for 'Suicide Pact'!

a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Stop spamming Ned.

Yeah, leave me alone you penis-extenders!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

WHY HAVE YOU NOT REPLIED URGENTLY TO URGENT REQUEST FOR TRANSFER OF $50,000,000,000 OF DOLLARS FROM GOVERNMENT NIGERIA?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

.............. mah, siete dei rosiconi! ;-)

minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

I did and they did things to me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://halflives.adc.rmit.edu.au/haunt/hl033.html

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://apawboy.blogspot.com/2006/12/bogus-man-slight-return-focussed-his.html

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

I reckon they actually nicked 'hauntology' off Rentaghost. Next person to use it gets Claypoled.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties/content/images/2006/01/11/rentaghost_jester_150_150x180.jpg

Hiya Simon!

NickB (NickB), Friday, 26 January 2007 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

HEY STOP HATING ON MY DAD!

kieran reynolds (kieran reynolds), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

"hauntology" is the worst word ever, yes

(apart from the one which l jagger keeps saying which i'm not even going to type here)

-- lex pretend (lexusjee...),

How soon they forget the terrors of cuddlestein mountain

Frozen Field with Fox Man (688), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

it's from derrida

and surely no better/worse than the rave-as-temporary-autonomous-zone bullshit reynolds keeps coming back to

tom west (thomp), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

"bullshit" meant in a not entirely uncomplementary way

tom west (thomp), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gosleepgo.com/files/ghost_dad_ver2.jpg

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

on metal/dubstep/noise:

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop06/0706,reynolds,75737,.html

reynolds vs pdf fite!

And here's the original Phil Freeman screed--received first as an irate email, then published on his blog

I love this bit where he parodies the supposed attitude of me and my friend:

'Folks gotta stop expecting US and UK mainstream pop to give them everything they need…. "This pablum you're spoon-feeding me sucks! I demand you spoon-feed me a higher grade of pablum!"...'

Yeah right that's me, sucking languidly on the teat of the Kapitalist Pop Industry! Whereas my diet this decade has mostly been either ruffage like grime or the audio-gourmet equivalent of artisanal cheeses (Ghost Box, Mordant, Ariel P, et al)....

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

my dad is better than your dad, face facts.

kieran reynolds (kieran reynolds), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

I think what makes Reynolds' article better than you think it's gonna be is the fact that he remains ambivalent about metal/dubstep/noize. The rather flimsy evidence of e.g. Burial making it to 86 on P&J would be actively painful if it was used to back up enthusiastic "it's a revolution!" proselytizing.

That said as usual (as in, as is usually the case with this kind of article rather than for Reynolds specifically) the trend cuts both ways - you could just as easily write an article saying the rock crit world is more pro-pop than ever (e.g. JT winning best single on the Pitchfork poll) or more typical-indie than ever (all those new bands like Tapes'n'Tapes and I dunno who and I dunno what) - and come up with enough evidence to make each argument appear compelling.

The only argument it would be difficult to make is that rock crit is particularly pro-dance at the moment. I think this is at it's lowest ebb in ages, yeah? Maybe it's because people got tired of writing "Dance Is Dead" articles.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 8 February 2007 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think what makes Reynolds' article better than you think it's gonna be is the fact that he remains ambivalent about metal/dubstep/noize.

isn't this more "be thankful for tiny mercies" though? and if he had proselytised on behalf of metal or noize it would have come across as even more phony than reynolds usually does, because he is no more into either of those than i am.

antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

you still get lone loonies claiming merit for Paris Hilton's CD

What does lone loony Lex think about this?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

scott storch must be really annoyed that people are writing that album off. much more so than paris, who probably doesn't give a fuck either way

Friendly Tree (688), Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

Reynolds reads more and more like Ian MacDonald every day ("We live in cold, dark times") but there's nothing new here, just Reynolds juggling the same weary balls and not really showing much evidence of engaging with any music in 2006 other than that which gets past the Customs gates at Dissensus.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

thing is marcello i don't know which "lone loony" reynolds is referring to. me? tom ewing who voted paris as his no 1 album in the p&j poll? frank kogan? and there are many more besides who'll rep for that album. i doubt any of them care what some conservative indie rock journalist whose trademark is smug, condescending, phony bullshit thinks.

antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:56 (nineteen years ago)

as for the endless "current music sucks" whinge, it happens every year - Am I the only person bored by 2005 (six months In, obv)? - all these fucking grandads moaning and groaning from the sidelines.

antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

Go Lex go!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 February 2007 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

there are many more besides who'll rep for that album. i doubt any of them care what some conservative indie rock journalist whose trademark is smug, condescending, phony bullshit thinks.

the people doing the repping are wrong. paris is a racist who can't sing.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 8 February 2007 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

She can sing pretty much exactly as well as pop icon Kylie. The racist video's put me right off her, though - if I listen to her music now that's what I see.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

What's your current position on S Club?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

Thank God Lex is here to save us from endless critics whose sole schtick is "everything was much better at some undefined point in the past" oh wait.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

as ever wtf are you on about?

antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

p hilton was caught on film calling two black gentlemen an unacceptable synonym

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:59 (nineteen years ago)


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