let us now talk about psychedelia

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don't mind me. I've had a lot of beer. I don't usually stay up this late. It's a novelty.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

what's wrong with hoodoo gurus? several of their early singles are stone cold classics (they're not even remotely psychedelic though)

the surface noise made by people (electricsound), Monday, 17 May 2004 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i certainly can't live without the first bangles LP

the surface noise made by people (electricsound), Monday, 17 May 2004 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

they had their psych moments. at times. no, i think they were great. they were a wonderful rock band. really.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

okay, now we are going down that slope.

I'll have YOU know, that I can't live without my Starstruck soundtrack!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Scott, Scott, give in...you WANT the Rainy Day album...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Scott, scream away, but the Three O'Clock, at least when Louis Gutierrez was in the band, were pretty great. Yield to a dollar copy of Arrive without Travelling. The lyrics ans singing can be cloying, but that's some rocking psychedelic new wave with good guitar and a good drummer.

Tim Ellison, Monday, 17 May 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Please tell me about the Ze Ramalho album with Lula Cortes - I know she plays on his (first?) album, but I wasn't aware they had a proper duo LP? What's the title?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The only album I know is Paebiru (yo Rog, I'm sharing that too if you need it.) I dunno if it's supposed to be a proper duo album or not; the zip file of it I received had them both listed in the title.

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
lets talk, once again, about psychedelia, about you and i, and how we listen to english psychedelia, and about tintern abbey, but, more to the point, about toby twirl/

scarper, its the rozzers! (gareth), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

toby twirl?

actually speaking of psychedelia, what are the Fading Yellow compilations like? anyone?

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
ah, sorry for not replying sooner jim. toby twirl did "mr faversham" i think. but, what i think you might like more is steve and stevie - "merry go round", its that fairground whimsy psychedelia, a la nick garrie, rather than the US stuff, which ive always preferred, but now i'm coming round a lot more to the sort of tea and biscuits and lsd brit psychedelia, more than before, perhaps

david acid (gareth), Sunday, 5 September 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven months pass...
Hey Tim, I'm sure you find out about these things faster than I do, but the Bomp mailer says they're reissuing the Michealangelo album you mentioned upthread. . .

MICHAELANGELO - ST Mega rare psych monster
originally released on the tiny Guinn label in
1977, this lp has fetched 4 figures in the
collectors circuit. The Void reissue will be
exact to the original, color glossy cover, lyrics
and back of jacket, 600 pressing from Michael's
masters, 100 on marble green 500 black. Insert
will be included also. This is the release that
everyone has been asking for.Musically dreamy
psychedelic folk , the stuff of legend by now.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Monday, 29 August 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

The current craze for all things psych has been striking me odd of late, especially because it seems to be accompanied by about 1/10 as much drug use and new-aged spirituality as in the 60s.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 29 August 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

Maybe the music just sounds good, even without drugs?

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 29 August 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

"about 1/10 as much drug use"

sez you.


a lot of it has to do with availability. the internet + cheap (and bountiful!) reissues, tons of info (the internet again, but also mags like mojo, etc) that was previously hard to come by. years ago, people acted like they were doing you a favor by selling you 30 dollar psych bootlegs that sounded like shit. now there is SO MUCH high quality (as well as plenty of dodgy shit of course) product to consume. and whenever there is that much arcane shit to be sampled, musicnerdz will flock cuz they iz curious motherfuckers.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm not really complaining. There's a lot of great music being put out right now.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

I've been idly wondering - is there anything in the UK that is commonly cited as the "first" (or maybe first significant) psychedelic single...? In the US the Elevators I know the Elevators usually get the credit for first using the term, but I'm curious where people sort of mark the beginning of the UK's psych period in pop. Revolver?

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 19:57 (thirteen years ago)

Shapes of Things? Although earlier Yardbirds songs were already pretty psychedelic too.

wk, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:15 (thirteen years ago)

Arnold Layne?

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:22 (thirteen years ago)

Paint It Black predates Revolver too.

wk, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:23 (thirteen years ago)

nah, "Strawberry Fields Forever" gets commonly cited, but mainly thru Beatles-centricity i guess

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:24 (thirteen years ago)

in terms of huge significant single rather than first experiment with the style

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:25 (thirteen years ago)

While this thread is bumped, another plug for Psychedelicized Radio, which rose from the ashes of Technicolor Web of Sound. They've upgraded to a 128kbs stream and have put a lot of work into expanding the playlist beyond the standard psych canon -- but deeper into more obscure artists, not expanding into watered down not-really-psych. Any station that plays "The Big Bright Green Pleasure Machine" by The Joyride is alright by me.

http://psychedelicized.com/

WmC, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:27 (thirteen years ago)

"See My Friends"?

Euler, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:27 (thirteen years ago)

seems like you could draw a clear line from See My Friends->Norwegian Wood->Paint it Black but yeah does sitar alone make it psych? I dunno

nah, "Strawberry Fields Forever" gets commonly cited, but mainly thru Beatles-centricity i guess

I would think that Tomorrow Never Knows is the hinge point in the Beatles catalog

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:30 (thirteen years ago)

you said single

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:31 (thirteen years ago)

fair enough

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:34 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah I mean the Elevators are easy because they were one of the first to use the word psychedelic and to openly sing about psychedelic drugs (let me take you to DMT place). See My Friends is more just Indian influenced without necessarily coming from a psychedelic point of view. Plus the Yardbirds recorded Heart Full of Soul with an actual sitar before See My Friends came out, although that version wasn't released.

What was the first UK song to lyrically reference drugs?

wk, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:42 (thirteen years ago)

Technically, the first American song to use the word "psychedelic" (er, 'psychOdelic') is "Hesitation Blues" by the Holy Modal Rounders.
Which is definitely not a psych rock single. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:46 (thirteen years ago)

Dylan thought it was "I Wanna Hold Your Hand"

xp

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:46 (thirteen years ago)

what year did LSD-25 by the Gamblers come out (obviously not musically psychedelic).

8 Miles High seems like the obvious first overtly psychdelic single.

wk, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:49 (thirteen years ago)

oh I guess 1960 http://www.united-mutations.com/g/gamblers_moondawg.htm

wk, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:50 (thirteen years ago)

let's keep the US out of this tho ... UK psych was such a different beast in many ways

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:50 (thirteen years ago)

The Pretty Things had a song called "LSD" in 1966.
It was about Pounds, Shillings, and...whatever D stands for, i dunno. But I think it was kind of a wink/nudge affair?

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:52 (thirteen years ago)

£sd (sometimes pronounced, and occasionally written, L.s.d.) is the popular name for the pre-decimal currencies (sterling) used in the Kingdom of England

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:55 (thirteen years ago)

the D was pence, something like denarii in latin

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:58 (thirteen years ago)

by 1966 the LSD/LSD gag was circulating amongst the hip tho

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:59 (thirteen years ago)

I think that the Soft Machine might have been the first British band taking psychedelic drugs, but they weren't the first to record about it.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:00 (thirteen years ago)

pretties also did 'trippin ' in 67..

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:03 (thirteen years ago)

Strawberry Fields/Penny Lane is February '67 so I think what we need is some kind of chronology of stuff released prior

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:09 (thirteen years ago)

Donovan's Sunshine Superman/The Trip is July '66, but oddly it's UK release was delayed until December

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:12 (thirteen years ago)

Cream's "I Feel Free" also December '66

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:13 (thirteen years ago)

Heart Full of Soul - June '65
See My Friends - July '65
Shapes of Things - March '66
Paint It Black - May '66

wk, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:16 (thirteen years ago)

yeah was gonna say. i'd argue most of those are pointing towards psych rather than the full thing tho

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:17 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah, those are all sonically psychedelic but not lyrically imo.

wk, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:18 (thirteen years ago)

Pretty Things - LSD is kind of the opposite. Like the Gamblers song, it mentions LSD but isn't particularly psychedelic.

So are there any UK records where the sound and lyrics came together prior to Tomorrow Never Knows?

wk, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:23 (thirteen years ago)

Sunshine Superman and the Trip are both pretty lyrically psychedelic (and the latter mentions methedrine)

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:29 (thirteen years ago)

pretty things' sf sorrow is wayyyyy more psych than their other stuff

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:33 (thirteen years ago)

def not the first instance tho

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:34 (thirteen years ago)


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