Is anyone anticipating the new Diddy album?

tbf a lot of people are taking satisfaction in his arrest because its been known that hes awful for a long time

Did not expect a Diddy appearance in this article

https://prospect.org/culture/2024-07-31-domination-tour-britney-spears-music-industry/

i have never liked anything about him. i thought the music he put out was shitty. i always thought he was seriously uncool and dressed like an idiot and any time i ever heard him speak he sounded like an asshole. he always seemed like one of the least-deserving rich people on the planet. this is just the latest thing i hate about him. and its the worst. i never understood why all these rich caligula motherfuckers just didn't pay people to have orgies with them. or start a porn company. they have enough money to stock their homes with sex workers until the end of time.

Last Train to Paris is the best thing he's ever been involved with.

classic album tbf

the biggie albums too obvs

anyone taking any kind of grim satisfaction from the gruesome details of this story because they never liked his music in the first place is just completely fucked.

agreed. good thing no one here is doing that.

honestly not trying to play traumalympics or say i'm an expert or anything here, but as a child sex slave survivor, seeing the video that we all did and identifying with the feeling of being held captive on the abuser's whims, i have to say- yeah, i'm laughing at the consequences this, uhh, person is about to endure. if that makes me no better than him, so be it. i'd rather be seen as someone who is totally intolerant of such abusive behavior, rather than stoically accepting it and pretending like i'm not emotionally invested in seeing some vengeance. because fuck this reprehensible asshole and his shitty music. total demerit on humanity.

xp an entire era of R&B (and an entire generation of R&B listeners) was shaped by him. it's fair at this point to ask what mary j blige was subject to in the earliest parts of her career. mariah had a vision for how to blend pop and R&B with rap in a way that transformed pop music & turned to diddy to execute that. he helped liberate her musically and also in a larger sense from tommy mottola. based on her memoir he in some way provided a safe space for her while she was in her own abusive relationship. we know usher has said that when he was sent to live with diddy as a 14 year old that there were orgies, sex parties etc happening at the house where he was staying

the biggie albums too obvs

― lag∞n,

yah seriously, I heard it again after many years last month and holy shit it's tight. He deserves the credit. Mary J. Blige's My Life too.

nobody needed diddy. all those people and R&B would have been fine without him.

If we're discussing Diddy's legacy now, he's responsible for scads of indisputable heaters but I think he's also the person with the most deleterious effect to rap music save Drake and Gilbert O'Sullivan

100% agree w Scott

also

Diddy is the worst thing that ever happened to hip-hop

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, September 28, 2006 5:41 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

there are always toxic scumbags who are tolerated bc of their charisma and talent and then later people act shocked, but then again it's an indictment of a culture of silence that is everywhere, like that horrible story coming outta France recently, or Weinstein, or anyone people have some allegiance to or are drawn to. where so many people knew about these terrible things and participated or enabled them, and never said a damn thing.

so many people knew about these terrible things and participated or enabled them

Mea culpa, I bought a Gilbert O'Sullivan record but it was only a dollar

^^ alone again (unfortunately)

tolerated bc of their charisma and talent

the baffling part about Combs is that he posesses neither, he's always been a dullard leeching off the talents of others

being rich famous powerful is prob more relevant here

for sure, i mean he was extremely powerful, too big to fail. like so many other scumbags.

Dude was so unlikable.I can’t imagine anyone thinking he was cool in any way

well, Kanye

He popped up on a Blood Orange track I was listening to, rambling about deserving love and whatnot. Blergh.

It’s all good…all..good..it’s all all good…it’s all good…all good… all good…good…it’s all good etc ad infinitum

May he be forced to listen to the shittiest, wateriest sub-Audacity 24kHz rip of his own ad-libs on loop for fucking eternity

tbf a lot of people are taking satisfaction in his arrest because its been known that hes awful for a long time

― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 18, 2024 10:26 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the biggie albums too obvs

― lag∞n,

yah seriously, I heard it again after many years last month and holy shit it's tight. He deserves the credit. Mary J. Blige's My Life too.

― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, September 18, 2024 11:34 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Easy Mo Bee and the other people who actually produced deserve 10X more credit

like all these svengali types he was lucky to be around people with actual talent

am I the only one who felt uncomfortable with his 'I'll be missing you' song that came out after Biggie died? Seemed like a cash grab masquerading as a tribute

also the Jimmy Page collaboration...just wtf on that one

idk I think its fair to suggest he had some creative and curatorial talent & that pretending there's some direct connection between 'not having talent' and 'being abusive' is wishful narration or something ... of course its complicated by the fact that he did lots of weird and fucked up shit throughout his career that had bad cultural impacts most of which wasn't secret IE the Shyne stuff or whatever ... but I think its unquestionable that his work as an exec impacted the stuff we love and not always negatively ... making biggie record "juicy" or whatever

its a little weird to be like, im glad hes finally going to jail because I hated how he would have his voice on biggie records. its good hes going to jail because hes an abusive POS

(*rather than)

otm

Per Epner just now -- this was a new separate hearing today challenging the decision yesterday to hold him in detention:

Judge Carter ordered Sean Combs detained pending trial, finding (1) DOJ had proven that Mr. Combs was a "danger to the public" & (2) bail package was not sufficient even on "risk of flight."

He will appeal to the 2nd Circuit, but the standard of review is very deferential to the trial court.

If the circuit upholds the detention, my understanding is that's about it per Epner's past comments -- he'll have to be in there until trial or whatever else may occur.

idk I think its fair to suggest he had some creative and curatorial talent & that pretending there's some direct connection between 'not having talent' and 'being abusive' is wishful narration or something

i aware of the former and was not suggesting the latter

i just think those types end up getting way more credit than they deserve, curations is fine and all but the whole thing centers around Biggie's talent

it's like coaching, was phil jackson a great coach? yes.

would he have done much with out jordan, pippin, kobe, and shaq? no.

NYT on the decision, plus more on the evident rottenness of where he'll be held. (This is not a 'poor Diddy' post, merely observing that everyone who ends up there deals with it.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/arts/music/sean-combs-diddy-bail-appeal.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/arts/sean-combs-jail-brooklyn-mdc.html

i think it's fair to say that a lot of diddy's reputation is tied to him emerging at a time when the male svengali was still a glorified figure in music, when nobody cared if the right musicians were credited or paid for their work etc. some portion of the world we live in (as music fans or certainly as rap fans) exists in the wake of business and creative practices that diddy famously perpetuated and which people have been actively trying to root out of the culture and industry for years. there was a period when rap was dominated by the diddy, jermaine dupri, irv gotti type figure who blurred the lines between producer/executive producer/artist/label boss to the point that it all melded into one big kingmaker type persona whose actual "skills" were unclear to/obscured from the public; this doesn't really exist anymore. i think we're more so in a post-kanye, post-pharrell, post-timbaland world where we expect to know that the genius producer really is a genius musician -- compare the role of metro boomin as the "executive producer" of much of future's music to the way diddy was portrayed early in his career. we expect to know that the person presented as the musical visionary can actually make a beat. or in the case of drake, you may be given a pass for ghostwriting but you will still have to contend w/ a cultural appetite for the facts of the music making process. diddy certainly benefited from existing in a different era, but again i think so much of the culture is post-diddy that it's hard to write a different version of history, at least as it pertains to hip-hop

all that said, pop music has always had, and even still has, a function for executives who can see culture from a big picture standpoint and shift art in accordance to that. if that in of itself isn't a skill, being able to facilitate the hundreds of little tasks that build up to culture shifting certainly is one. it just is not a music making skill, strictly speaking. as a fan of pop music, major label rap and r&b i am fine crediting diddy w/ his role in what i.e. jodeci meant at the time and for the future of R&B even if devante swing is the actual genius at the heart of it

yeah otm about that era for sure

i will say that spending time working in the music industry and w/ developing artists has given me an appreciation for the executive producer. someone who can think bigger than the artist and producer but can also connect w/ them, who can establish enough trust w/ the artist that their voice plays a valuable directorial role in the process ... w/in the realm of pop music i do think this is a real skill. but it's a skill of cultural and corporate translation, bridging boardroom and balance sheet concerns w/ those of the humble beatmaker. oftentimes pop musicians do need someone outside of their head to bring them along a path that they may have laid out for themselves but are unsure of traversing etc

yea relatedly I kind of don't buy that biggie's success centered wholly around 'biggie's talent.' it centered around him having multiple hit singles

the illusion that for the buying public & the undergirding narratives of its biggest artists, 'talent' is the overarching issue——biggie having hit records which conveyed that he was "a success" in the eyes of the public was intractable from his narrative and story. and a lot of that was about puffy's ability to navigate the big-picture cultural moves of certain samples & eschewing the approaches of artists at the time ... you can read the interview with easy mo bee re: Life After Death and he talks about how puff kept rejecting his beats and played him some of the music biggie was making & biggie got the picture and sent in the 'I love the dough' beat ... its not like easy mo bee was just like "you should use this '80s R&B flip biggie" and biggie agreed there was a dynamic going into make this stuff real Show Business

I don't mean in any way to say this stuff "in defense of Puffy" but the creative reality of that project and others we all love was unquestionably shaped by him

*& easy mo bee got the picture & sent the 'I love the dough' beat

*& easy mo bee got the picture & sent the 'I love the dough' beat

like who's idea was the big poppa between the sheets sample ... wasnt 2pac irritated when biggie ended up cutting a song to it after he was planning on releasing this... diddy was a dickhead but he undeniably helped biggie's career become what it was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ15Z3keDKk

and a lot of that was about puffy's ability to navigate the big-picture cultural moves of certain samples & eschewing the approaches of artists at the time

I think this was said in interviews and essays at the time but it's a point largely forgotten. Even with Life After Death it looked more predictable to sample René & Angela than big beat Chic-producing-Diana Ross. The audacity of it.

good posts jordan

it’s been incredibly depressing seeing people revel in the lurid details and ignore the abuse that is the real story

also fools like boosie saying “we’re all traffickers like diddy” cause he thinks “flying out” a romantic partner is the sex trafficking

boosie going from regional rap legend to basically a shitty fox news guest is a real fall from grace

Open Mike Eagle weighs in:

shout out to Jeru the Damaja for being diddy's oldest surviving hater

— OME (@Mike_Eagle) September 19, 2024

From one of those NYT stories: "[The judge] rejected an unusual proposal from Mr. Combs’s legal team in which he would have remained at his mansion in Florida, monitored around the clock by a private security force."

First, just the entitlement of proposing "How about I stay at my mansion" as an alternative to going to jail. Second, I wonder what that feeling was like once he understood he was just going to jail. I'm not expressing sympathy for Diddy, just curious about that really sinking in, that you're not going home, you're going to jail and just staying there.

Former Bad Boy artist Shyne speaks on Diddy's recent arrest and says Diddy destroyed his life.

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— The Art Of Dialogue (@ArtOfDialogue_) September 19, 2024

i'm way older then jeru.