Oasis - Classic or Dud?

This is an ok point though I am trying to imagine Liam fronting Band of Susans and my head hurts

I think in relative terms to what he was fronting - often well produced pub rock with utterly disgraceful lyrics - and managing to drag it forward through sheer weird charisma he's up there in all honesty https://t.co/9mgnDwFxyQ

— Samplo Corvodina (@TreborRhurbarb) August 30, 2024

I like TB but for me that is a hackneyed rockism take too far for my liking.

xxp Radio 4 - for the working class.

well-produced? definitely maybe has a decent enough shoegaze-lite sound but it's all downhill from there

i still say that their last album was one of their best.
some of the versions on the boxset extra cd are so much better than their usual thing i.e. Jagz Kooner/Death In Vegas on production/remix duties.

this is the only gig i'm excited for

If you can't get tickets for Oasis no need to worry as we have booked Oasigue, the UK's premier Oasis/Sigue Sigue Sputnik tribute act, to perform two lives shows in our Clubhouse next summer to coincide with the Manchester band's soon-to-be sold out Wembley shows on 25/26th July. pic.twitter.com/7DMlhF0UOY

— Streatham Rovers Football Club (@StreathamRovers) August 28, 2024

ffs all the guy does is stand rooted to the spot hugging the microphone

vg+

Oasis pub rock? that's either hilarious or I don't really understand what pub rock is.

What do you think it is?

it always seems like an insult to Dr. Feelgood, Kilburn and the High-Roads etc when people call Oasis 'pub rock', I associate pub rock with this tight, clipped dynamic proto-new wave style that's almost the opposite of Oasis's smeary plodding style

I think in relative terms to what he was fronting - often well produced pub rock with utterly disgraceful lyrics - and managing to drag it forward through sheer weird charisma he's up there in all honesty

wasn't this Mark E Smith's take on Oasis, I think I remember him saying that he thought it was odd that Liam seemed to have some sort of inferiority complex wrt to Noel, even though Liam was responsible for 90% of what made them notable (distinctive voice, star power) and Noel just wrote some tepid Beatles pastiches that thousands of other people could also have written

Pls, if you want some “variety”, play Liam’s written/sang songs from the last two albums, then compare to Noel’s

right, like Brinsley Schwartz, Dr Feelgood, Ducks Deluxe. I don't consider that style a going concern, I guess more commonly people say pub rock to just mean what's heard at the pub?

Well, it's meant to mean dull, unambitious meat-and-potatoes rock music, which was how pub rock was characterized in the wake of punk. Odd that nearly 50 years later are still using it as a pejorative.

that is odd and interesting and thanks for the context I was lacking

Unlike apparently pretty much everyone else around here, I actually do like Oasis beyond the first two albums and thought to have a go at getting tickets, mainly because one of my best friends is a superfan and I was hoping to help him get his hands on tickets and join him. But the demand is insane. I've had a window open for over three hours simply trying to access the Ticketmaster website, looking at the message "You’re in a Queue - Many fans are currently using our site, so you have been placed in a queue. When it’s your turn, you will automatically be able to browse events and shop for tickets. Thank you for your patience.".
This is even before logging in or selecting a specific date!

Some other friends had the same experience, some got through and were looking at ridiculously long queues for concerts. There's a news item on the BBC site which says that there were over a million users in line for dates at Wembley.
At least my superfan friend had another friend who managed to get him tickets for one of the shows, and I didn't necessarily need to go myself.

Sounds like when I was trying to get someone tickets for Kate Bush when she played that run of gigs, my attempts were ultimately unsuccessful btw.

dull, unambitious meat-and-potatoes rock music, which was how pub rock was characterized in the wake of punk

Strangely enough most 70s pub rock I've heard seems more like country rock, not the 12-bar blues stuff you'd expect. Dire Straits grew out of that scene, the guitar playing especially is more Allmans than Clapton. Not sure there's much Dickey Betts in Noel Gallagher's axework tbh.

Not even halfway through a queue to get into the website and my mum is suggesting to ring Wembley and ask for tickets ‘like she did for Knebworth’. About to explode

— Josh (@joshstubbs___) August 31, 2024

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

i know for a fact that my eldest lad would love to see Kraftwerk live.

Yeah I guess. Difference between Kraftwerk and Oasis I suppose.

[write essay about how modern teenagers do not usually rebel against their parents' generation by choosing different music but this very much does not mean they are interested in copying their patents culture for a variety of interesting reasons, and put it here later]

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, August 31, 2024

Probably, especially if my folks had seen, say, Sonny Rollins or Fleetwood Mac.

The very concept of a band is now something your parents saw, it's fine.

I'm not avoiding Godard films because my dad saw them or not reading Cocteau because my mum did either (cue more's the pity jokes).

for the record, this band was the alpha and omega of pub rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmon7Lo5bXE

Lol at Ticketmaster increasing the prices to £360 for standing using their 'dynamic pricing' policy

'Dynamic pricing' one of the more pernicious concepts of late-stage capitalism, along with Britpop

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

i know for a fact that my eldest lad would love to see Kraftwerk live.

― mark e, Saturday, August 31, 2024 12:30 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Our Alice was highly impressed when we told her we'd seen the Ramones, live, bitd

Obviously, she's not going to, but hey

My mom saw Jimi Hendrix. I’d totally see him whenever he decides to tour again.

I saw Kraftwerk at Sheffield City Hall in '90 . I've never really been a regular gig goer. But that was the first time I had that wow that really is them feeling. Not felt since I saw the pope at York racetrack 10 years earlier

Did he win?

he certainly didn't win me over, shit trip, hot day with no refreshments or decent snacks, couldn't understand fuck all he said. But the lad was iconic!

My mum would have loved to have seen Oasis. Pretty sure the only reason she never saw them is because my dad had no time for them.

But it's okay because we all went and saw, idk, UB40

the only gig I went to with my parents was The Dubliners at Bradford Alhambra. A young colleen in historical Irish dress presented the band with a basket of goose eggs at the start of the "gig". Things you won't see after paying a grand to stand up at Wembley to watch some vapid old millionaires with dried up balls MAKE SOME MORE MONEY

My mom and I went to Neil Young’s 1991 tour (the one with Sonic Youth).

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

I saw Andrew Cyrille and Gary Bartz back-to-back a few weeks ago - both are in their mid-80s and I had never seen either before. Even if my parents or grandparents had seen them as fans back in the day, it would've been damn foolish to pass on the opportunity.

xp yes but maybe you wouldn't want to see then way past their peak..

I mean, even Kraftwerk...that last tour or whatever.

i think, and i hate to think seriously in this thread but hey, that the notion of "peak" only kinda vaguely applies to some artists and isn't a thing to worry about anyway, and also that there are different reasons why people go to see gigs and while "just to see somebody i like, whatever the actual quality of their performance" is not a reason i would personally pay stupid money for everybody is different so in a way godspeed, Oasis concert-goers, enjoy yourselves, just please tell the broadcast media to stfu about this non-story kthx

"ew, my parents like that band" was already on its way out in the millenial generation and afaict is 100% no longer a thing for today's kids, they have other mediums to alienate the olds with

Skibidi Toilet is far more effective for that.

what's the non-story morning glory

nobody should be paying these prices to go see oasis in 2025 i think we might all agree on that much?

honestly can't imagine any musician living or dead who i'd pay that for to watch in a stadium but gig tickets have been expensive for a good while and Ticketmaster have been robbing cunts forever, it's funny watching people just discover this

I am surprised so many people have this much money to spend

https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/sep/01/oasis-ticketmaster-in-demand-standing-tickets

Well they only go to one gig a year

I ummed and ahhed about paying to see Pulp in Sheffield last year, seemed like a lot of money but it did turn out to be my only gig of the year. In total including gig ticket, petrol, parking, drinks, food & merch I ended up spending a shocking £140 or so.

"I am surprised so many people have this much money to spend"

Radio 4 listeners/Guardian readers have money.

can confirm

I’m balking at paying $175 a ticket to see Yo Yo Ma play with the Baltimore Symphony (admittedly it’s a fundraising gala). I’ve seen Ma before for far less $$$.