Oasis - Classic or Dud?

Looking at setlist, it can be a crapshoot. At his last Forest Hills show, just one Smiths song, but at the United Palace residency it was six (pretty much the same setlist each night).

...plus he covered "Balls to the Wall" for the Udo fans

it's possible that Marr just doesn't want to do any more work with a fascist cunt

Former Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr has dismissed talk of a reunion of his former band by using a picture of Reform UK leader Nigel Farage.
Replying to a fan suggestion on X that the 80s indie rock legends could follow Oasis's example and get back together, Marr posted a picture of the Clacton MP.

this has the ring of truth to me -- he's a guy for whom the idea of being supported by the right people/imprints is imports (see: his desire to have his autobiography published by Penguin Classics if you please so it'll look like the books he treasured as a young man), and also, he's a guy who likes to throw blame around & you can't do that as easily when you self release

I can't get into it too much out of respect for someone close to me who has long since passed, but she was a Moz hyperfan known to the inner circle (I mean this very positively; he knew and deeply appreciated it and her, saying so after her death in a way that expressed humility and perspective rather than arrogance, and it's the one sole 'you did right' feeling I have for him at this point as a person), but she would agree with this assessment. She specifically brought up the no-self-release option to me a couple of times during the long gap between Maladjusted and You Are The Quarry as to why nothing had emerged in those years, and it wasn't writers block by any means.

the no-self-release option

AKA the downside of celibacy

of all the possible places the oasis thread has and might have taken the past few days as ilmers worked through their schoolyard resentment and straight up snobbishness, i think this is the worst

Without Johnny Marr there'd be no Oasis, seems like a fair diversion

Tbf deems it's been in the news so unavoidable

this thread is like a desert in the oasis of current music discourse

Feile festival 95 in Cork - Oasis were getting huge not supernova huge and they weren't playing that year but I was in the stadium anyway absolutely fucked after 2 flagons of Linden Village at about 2 pm and I spot some guy walking with a huge bunch of lads around him and he's in this white fabric suit like a Bruce Lee karate suit, shades and Weller cut doing the monkey walk. It's fucking Liam Gallagher! I'm wearing an Oasis t shirt and everything. I put out my hand for a high five and give a hearty A BOY LIAM! and he slaps my hand away petulanty

I dunno I'd it was him or just some cunt pretending to be him

xp

lol, stop it dmac. Your own deep cultural analysis of why some people loath the Oasis project and make connections with it's lineage from everything that makes the UK a grey, racist, vile right-wing hellhole, well that never goes beyond the schoolyard. You either accuse people of being being snobbish or jealous of their success, schoolboy tory level discourse and fucking laughable to boot!

xp think we can chalk this one down to cocaine

it's possible that Marr just doesn't want to do any more work with a fascist cunt

Not possible, not probable, certain.

A Mayo man would never make such a statement, calzino

Coincidentally read this and some interesting matter re: working class rock and what it was.

https://thequietus.com/opinion-and-essays/anniversary/the-minutemen-double-nickels-on-the-dime-review/

And you know its talking about some actually great music. Not just a few ok songs here and there.

I was almost trying not to say anything in detail this whole week but 1) being honest with myself I knew I couldn't avoid it and 2) I realized that there was a much better framing for me given why I had to be honest with myself, and that's talking technology. So, part one of two:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/look-back-part-1-111028261

"Four days in a row now Oasis are mentioned in the main Radio 4 news bulletin"

Thought For The Day this morning followed up by that cunt from UK Music talking about how great it is for projecting UK music onto the world because ticket gouging is going on, interspersed with clips of their vile music.

This is an ok point though I am trying to imagine Liam fronting Band of Susans and my head hurts

I think in relative terms to what he was fronting - often well produced pub rock with utterly disgraceful lyrics - and managing to drag it forward through sheer weird charisma he's up there in all honesty https://t.co/9mgnDwFxyQ

— Samplo Corvodina (@TreborRhurbarb) August 30, 2024

I like TB but for me that is a hackneyed rockism take too far for my liking.

xxp Radio 4 - for the working class.

well-produced? definitely maybe has a decent enough shoegaze-lite sound but it's all downhill from there

i still say that their last album was one of their best.
some of the versions on the boxset extra cd are so much better than their usual thing i.e. Jagz Kooner/Death In Vegas on production/remix duties.

this is the only gig i'm excited for

If you can't get tickets for Oasis no need to worry as we have booked Oasigue, the UK's premier Oasis/Sigue Sigue Sputnik tribute act, to perform two lives shows in our Clubhouse next summer to coincide with the Manchester band's soon-to-be sold out Wembley shows on 25/26th July. pic.twitter.com/7DMlhF0UOY

— Streatham Rovers Football Club (@StreathamRovers) August 28, 2024

ffs all the guy does is stand rooted to the spot hugging the microphone

vg+

Oasis pub rock? that's either hilarious or I don't really understand what pub rock is.

What do you think it is?

it always seems like an insult to Dr. Feelgood, Kilburn and the High-Roads etc when people call Oasis 'pub rock', I associate pub rock with this tight, clipped dynamic proto-new wave style that's almost the opposite of Oasis's smeary plodding style

I think in relative terms to what he was fronting - often well produced pub rock with utterly disgraceful lyrics - and managing to drag it forward through sheer weird charisma he's up there in all honesty

wasn't this Mark E Smith's take on Oasis, I think I remember him saying that he thought it was odd that Liam seemed to have some sort of inferiority complex wrt to Noel, even though Liam was responsible for 90% of what made them notable (distinctive voice, star power) and Noel just wrote some tepid Beatles pastiches that thousands of other people could also have written

Pls, if you want some “variety”, play Liam’s written/sang songs from the last two albums, then compare to Noel’s

right, like Brinsley Schwartz, Dr Feelgood, Ducks Deluxe. I don't consider that style a going concern, I guess more commonly people say pub rock to just mean what's heard at the pub?

Well, it's meant to mean dull, unambitious meat-and-potatoes rock music, which was how pub rock was characterized in the wake of punk. Odd that nearly 50 years later are still using it as a pejorative.

that is odd and interesting and thanks for the context I was lacking

Unlike apparently pretty much everyone else around here, I actually do like Oasis beyond the first two albums and thought to have a go at getting tickets, mainly because one of my best friends is a superfan and I was hoping to help him get his hands on tickets and join him. But the demand is insane. I've had a window open for over three hours simply trying to access the Ticketmaster website, looking at the message "You’re in a Queue - Many fans are currently using our site, so you have been placed in a queue. When it’s your turn, you will automatically be able to browse events and shop for tickets. Thank you for your patience.".
This is even before logging in or selecting a specific date!

Some other friends had the same experience, some got through and were looking at ridiculously long queues for concerts. There's a news item on the BBC site which says that there were over a million users in line for dates at Wembley.
At least my superfan friend had another friend who managed to get him tickets for one of the shows, and I didn't necessarily need to go myself.

Sounds like when I was trying to get someone tickets for Kate Bush when she played that run of gigs, my attempts were ultimately unsuccessful btw.

dull, unambitious meat-and-potatoes rock music, which was how pub rock was characterized in the wake of punk

Strangely enough most 70s pub rock I've heard seems more like country rock, not the 12-bar blues stuff you'd expect. Dire Straits grew out of that scene, the guitar playing especially is more Allmans than Clapton. Not sure there's much Dickey Betts in Noel Gallagher's axework tbh.

Not even halfway through a queue to get into the website and my mum is suggesting to ring Wembley and ask for tickets ‘like she did for Knebworth’. About to explode

— Josh (@joshstubbs___) August 31, 2024

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

i know for a fact that my eldest lad would love to see Kraftwerk live.

Yeah I guess. Difference between Kraftwerk and Oasis I suppose.

[write essay about how modern teenagers do not usually rebel against their parents' generation by choosing different music but this very much does not mean they are interested in copying their patents culture for a variety of interesting reasons, and put it here later]

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, August 31, 2024

Probably, especially if my folks had seen, say, Sonny Rollins or Fleetwood Mac.

The very concept of a band is now something your parents saw, it's fine.

I'm not avoiding Godard films because my dad saw them or not reading Cocteau because my mum did either (cue more's the pity jokes).

for the record, this band was the alpha and omega of pub rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmon7Lo5bXE

Lol at Ticketmaster increasing the prices to £360 for standing using their 'dynamic pricing' policy

'Dynamic pricing' one of the more pernicious concepts of late-stage capitalism, along with Britpop

Am I alone in thinking its fucked up to want to see a band your parents saw...

i know for a fact that my eldest lad would love to see Kraftwerk live.

― mark e, Saturday, August 31, 2024 12:30 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Our Alice was highly impressed when we told her we'd seen the Ramones, live, bitd

Obviously, she's not going to, but hey

My mom saw Jimi Hendrix. I’d totally see him whenever he decides to tour again.

I saw Kraftwerk at Sheffield City Hall in '90 . I've never really been a regular gig goer. But that was the first time I had that wow that really is them feeling. Not felt since I saw the pope at York racetrack 10 years earlier

Did he win?

he certainly didn't win me over, shit trip, hot day with no refreshments or decent snacks, couldn't understand fuck all he said. But the lad was iconic!