Oasis - Classic or Dud?

Radio 4 - mad for it

UMS I went to St. Olaf. NB at that time I was into Happy Mondays, 808 State, and anything WaxTrax! I never owned a PJ album, didn’t have to, everyone else was playing it.

And Husker Du!

So here’s some grist for the mill from writer Anna Doble about young women around the world who are hyped fans for the reunion and I really do suggest giving this a read in full.

https://thequietus.com/interviews/oasis-reformed-female-fan-army/

i wish this was their new remakae of wonder wall

https://www.udio.com/songs/q7UCexM1R748cuf7XnjCrn

xp thanks, that was a good read, very directly comparable to what's happened in the Pulp fan community since the reunion last year, loads of new young fans, mostly seem to be really sound people, mainly congregate on Twitter.

OTOH there's still people like this guy

Imagine waiting 15 years for Oasis to reform only to lose out on tickets to Chloe, 21 from Stockport who just wants to hear Wonderwall live. #oasisreunion

— Billy Corcoran (@BillyCorcoran) August 26, 2024

Imagine hating women so much you have to invent them whole cloth just to hate them more.

They haven’t even been broken up that long.

So Morrissey’s claim that he accepted an offer for a Smiths reunion but Marr didn’t: true, or just him wanting attention?

I think he (Morrissey) is getting desperate. He apparently has two completed records that no label wants to touch and he allegedly doesn't want to self-release anything, so I tend to think both are true. He's desperate enough to ask but also anticipated Marr saying no, but he could still milk a new press cycle out of it.

he allegedly doesn't want to self-release anything

Somebody obviously hasn't heard about Band Kampf.

lol

i'm sure it was presented to Marr in a way that made it very easy to say no — like "Morrissey will have veto power over everything, you will be an employee of Morrissey."

he allegedly doesn't want to self-release anything

this has the ring of truth to me -- he's a guy for whom the idea of being supported by the right people/imprints is imports (see: his desire to have his autobiography published by Penguin Classics if you please so it'll look like the books he treasured as a young man), and also, he's a guy who likes to throw blame around & you can't do that as easily when you self release

xp With Andy Rourke gone and Mike Joyce persona non grata to Morrissey and Marr, I've kind of accepted that I missed my chance to see the Smiths. (I saw the 'Mats reunion in 2014 and as great as it was, it's really a different thing for me than a full-on Replacements show.)

it's possible that Marr just doesn't want to do any more work with a fascist cunt

i'm sure it was presented to Marr in a way that made it very easy to say no — like "Morrissey will have veto power over everything, you will be an employee of Morrissey."

or “you will have to work with Morrissey”

lol xp

haha i guess so

the videos I've seen of Marr singing Smiths songs have been very good, no reason to give Morrissey a dime at this point

It's kind of rich to see some Marr-hating Morrissey fans dump on Marr for playing small venues while Morrissey is allegedly selling out large ones...tbf he has sold out some larger shows, but when Morrissey did his United Palace residency here in NYC, they had to give away TONS of tickets just to get a decent-sized audience to show up. When fans signed up for some online giveaways, pretty much everyone "won" a pair of tickets, so much that many wound up with a lot of extra tickets due to multiple entries.

I assume Morrissey already performs multiple Smiths songs live. I mean, if I buy a ticket to see Udo Dirkschneider’s solo band, I’ll be expecting to hear “Balls to the Wall” as the encore.

Looking at setlist, it can be a crapshoot. At his last Forest Hills show, just one Smiths song, but at the United Palace residency it was six (pretty much the same setlist each night).

...plus he covered "Balls to the Wall" for the Udo fans

it's possible that Marr just doesn't want to do any more work with a fascist cunt

Former Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr has dismissed talk of a reunion of his former band by using a picture of Reform UK leader Nigel Farage.
Replying to a fan suggestion on X that the 80s indie rock legends could follow Oasis's example and get back together, Marr posted a picture of the Clacton MP.

this has the ring of truth to me -- he's a guy for whom the idea of being supported by the right people/imprints is imports (see: his desire to have his autobiography published by Penguin Classics if you please so it'll look like the books he treasured as a young man), and also, he's a guy who likes to throw blame around & you can't do that as easily when you self release

I can't get into it too much out of respect for someone close to me who has long since passed, but she was a Moz hyperfan known to the inner circle (I mean this very positively; he knew and deeply appreciated it and her, saying so after her death in a way that expressed humility and perspective rather than arrogance, and it's the one sole 'you did right' feeling I have for him at this point as a person), but she would agree with this assessment. She specifically brought up the no-self-release option to me a couple of times during the long gap between Maladjusted and You Are The Quarry as to why nothing had emerged in those years, and it wasn't writers block by any means.

the no-self-release option

AKA the downside of celibacy

of all the possible places the oasis thread has and might have taken the past few days as ilmers worked through their schoolyard resentment and straight up snobbishness, i think this is the worst

Without Johnny Marr there'd be no Oasis, seems like a fair diversion

Tbf deems it's been in the news so unavoidable

this thread is like a desert in the oasis of current music discourse

Feile festival 95 in Cork - Oasis were getting huge not supernova huge and they weren't playing that year but I was in the stadium anyway absolutely fucked after 2 flagons of Linden Village at about 2 pm and I spot some guy walking with a huge bunch of lads around him and he's in this white fabric suit like a Bruce Lee karate suit, shades and Weller cut doing the monkey walk. It's fucking Liam Gallagher! I'm wearing an Oasis t shirt and everything. I put out my hand for a high five and give a hearty A BOY LIAM! and he slaps my hand away petulanty

I dunno I'd it was him or just some cunt pretending to be him

xp

lol, stop it dmac. Your own deep cultural analysis of why some people loath the Oasis project and make connections with it's lineage from everything that makes the UK a grey, racist, vile right-wing hellhole, well that never goes beyond the schoolyard. You either accuse people of being being snobbish or jealous of their success, schoolboy tory level discourse and fucking laughable to boot!

xp think we can chalk this one down to cocaine

it's possible that Marr just doesn't want to do any more work with a fascist cunt

Not possible, not probable, certain.

A Mayo man would never make such a statement, calzino

Coincidentally read this and some interesting matter re: working class rock and what it was.

https://thequietus.com/opinion-and-essays/anniversary/the-minutemen-double-nickels-on-the-dime-review/

And you know its talking about some actually great music. Not just a few ok songs here and there.

I was almost trying not to say anything in detail this whole week but 1) being honest with myself I knew I couldn't avoid it and 2) I realized that there was a much better framing for me given why I had to be honest with myself, and that's talking technology. So, part one of two:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/look-back-part-1-111028261

"Four days in a row now Oasis are mentioned in the main Radio 4 news bulletin"

Thought For The Day this morning followed up by that cunt from UK Music talking about how great it is for projecting UK music onto the world because ticket gouging is going on, interspersed with clips of their vile music.

This is an ok point though I am trying to imagine Liam fronting Band of Susans and my head hurts

I think in relative terms to what he was fronting - often well produced pub rock with utterly disgraceful lyrics - and managing to drag it forward through sheer weird charisma he's up there in all honesty https://t.co/9mgnDwFxyQ

— Samplo Corvodina (@TreborRhurbarb) August 30, 2024

I like TB but for me that is a hackneyed rockism take too far for my liking.

xxp Radio 4 - for the working class.

well-produced? definitely maybe has a decent enough shoegaze-lite sound but it's all downhill from there

i still say that their last album was one of their best.
some of the versions on the boxset extra cd are so much better than their usual thing i.e. Jagz Kooner/Death In Vegas on production/remix duties.

this is the only gig i'm excited for

If you can't get tickets for Oasis no need to worry as we have booked Oasigue, the UK's premier Oasis/Sigue Sigue Sputnik tribute act, to perform two lives shows in our Clubhouse next summer to coincide with the Manchester band's soon-to-be sold out Wembley shows on 25/26th July. pic.twitter.com/7DMlhF0UOY

— Streatham Rovers Football Club (@StreathamRovers) August 28, 2024

ffs all the guy does is stand rooted to the spot hugging the microphone

vg+

Oasis pub rock? that's either hilarious or I don't really understand what pub rock is.

What do you think it is?