Oasis - Classic or Dud?

sorry meant allusions

As the entire recorded output of Bobby Gillespie proves only too well.

Rick Parfitt's worked with Scooter! In a sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0DTm_bWEjs

Do we reckon the phrase "Don't Look Back In Anger" is nicked from John Osborne's play, the film version with Richard Burton, or the Bowie song? Have been assuming the Bowie, but still odd to think of Noel listening to Lodger.

my guess is he internalised these lines and phrases he read from the music press in the 80's and reused them without any context or thought. Not saying this would be bad practise, but just that in this case it sucked shit.

even many Smash Hits reviews were brainy and full of cross cultural references back then. it was a confusing period for Noel.

those first two suede albums and the singles that went with them slay oasis for me. oasis wish! so much better.

They incorrectly quoted Isaac Newton for an album title

>those first two suede albums and the singles that went with them slay oasis for me. oasis wish! so much better.

Yeah with Oasis I can't get over that initial reaction of "really, is THIS what you're all losing your shit over?"

i think you have to be a tosser/geezer/punter or whatever to really get it.

i know a guy where i live who still has that haircut because he is such a fan. so weird.

What is the US version of Oasis? Matchbox 20? Collective Soul or something?

Would have to be an act that so represented the state of the nation they were invited to the White House, in the way Oasis were (probably reluctantly on Blair's part) admitted to 10 Downing St. Would that be John Denver?

i don't want to hear a bunch of bullshit about this when it's Pearl Jam

no one gives a fuck about Collective Soul, Pearl Jam still regularly sells out basketball and hockey arenas

pearl jams government moment would be the Ticketmaster hearings, but they are actually good dudes not dickheads like Oasis

Black Crowes were huge, throwbacks, and hateful terrible brothers, just saying.

they weren't even close to the level of Pearl Jam and I was there, please

there is zero way they are selling out a 20,000 k venue now which Pearl Jam just did in my city

also the thing is it's not being a throwback it's about being part of the new thing but classic friendly

Noel decided to drop the equipment used in the three previous albums and instead buy "loads of really weird pedals, old guitars, and small amps" as the lack of a deadline on the album allowed him to "take quite a few days just messing around" and experiment with new musical landscapes.[6]

Oasis & the Crowds toured together: Yes, or did I hallucinate that?

I think Creed is a more apt comparison (big, loud, relentlessly self-mythologizing, popular with idiots), but what makes the Pearl Jam analogy work is media complicity. The press hated Creed.

The Black Crowes had a Billboard #1 album and multiple #1 singles.

maybe the Black Crowes do kinda line up...two hit albums followed by an off-putting third. The Crowes doing a Stonesy thing vs Oasis doing the Beatles.

PJ were even bigger but the Black Crowes were a legitimately huge band. It’s splitting hairs on that point.

so dumb

pearl jam ended up being good though, or at least not conservative chauvinist blowhards. they were definitely classic rock but not nationalistic about it. the neil young obsession especially felt kind of expansive and inspired. idk maybe i'm being too generous. they were definitely bloated and heavy at their worst. oasis were so constipated and self-serious about their uk rock heritage. their vibe is more like dumb billy joel to me idk. though now that i think about it, yeah, pearl jam are actually a pretty good analog, i just like pj and hate oasis haha.

10 sold 13 million, Vs and Virology sold 7 million

Shake Your Money Maker sold 5
Southern Harmony sold 2 million

this is not comparable

Both are huge. Black Crowes are still touring 8-10k places despite being uncool now.

Pearl Jam were bigger but otherwise the Black Crowes line up better with Oasis - style, vibe, career and personal arcs.

And yes, they toured together.

black crowes were more of a southern us thing yeah? they definitely weren't big in my neck of the woods.

the british black crowes: reef. and they have a no. 1 album too.

no i'm just kidding not even the black crowes deserve that

it's obvious. Bush are the U.S. Oasis. :)

I can't think of an American equivalent. Oasis scored massive albums and singles in the UK. Black Crowes sold albums in America but have no #1 singles or even top tens.

US Rock bands generally weren't so tabloid-y.

only the uk could sniff its own ass with such gusto

Guns n' Roses would be an acceptable substitute

but please don't waste our precious time with Black Crowes bullshit, they were never close being the biggest band in America

GNR might be the closest equivalent, but their peak was short-lived and they didn't turn hundreds in the US press into gibbering idiots.

was their peak any shorter than Oasis?

also no Oasis album is even close to Appetite

"they didn't turn hundreds in the US press into gibbering idiots."

they got so much ink! they were all over papers and magazines.

and all their extra-musical tabloid stuff was constant for years too.

Pearl Jam wasn’t the biggest band in the US either? They were second banana to Nirvana in their own scene, Metallica were bigger for the ‘90s overall.

Pearl Jam's US sales over 91-93 were bigger than Nirvana's

they didn't turn hundreds in the US press into gibbering idiots

i think this is an important point. often I'm bewildered by UK reactions to various things (music, but also societal shit) and it always comes back to press and how it's portraying the importance of stuff. the US didn't have that, at least for music, in those years. I can see having the music press shove something in your face over and over again telling you it's fooking brilliant all the time would rouse a reaction.

PJ were for a minute the biggest band in the US.

PJ still sell out stadiums in the US.

or, I guess arenas.

a forgettable biggest band. even though they still exist. still forgettable.

no offense to pj fans. god bless you. its kinda like phish at this point.

I went to college in rural Minnesota in the early 90s it was Pearl Jam mania. No one was listening to Black Crowes.