Oasis - Classic or Dud?

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/28/stop-the-celebrations-oasis-are-the-most-damaging-pop-cultural-force-in-recent-british-history

Simon Price wasn't as caustic about Oasis in the early days. If Oasis killed UK rock, it was only because they got zero pushback from the music press in general

the twitter memeification of Liam as an hilarious character is just so dull. The guy is in his 50's and learned to tone down the racism/homophobia for his posting, but still an ignorant charmless cunt stuck in some ugly persona he adopted in the 90's.

and describing the then Labour leader, Ed Miliband – yes, Ed Miliband – as a “fucking communist” in 2015 and later Jeremy Corbyn in similar terms.

Oasis called Corbyn a fucking communist and Simon Price called him a fucking anti-semite ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

fucking hell, did he?

oh yeah, he considered Corbyn an antisemite and posted this more than a few times iirc

Poor old Corbz, to quote yet another Mancunian, shot by both sides.

Old Lab pensioner showing 'cool', young(er) people (usually blokes) they have nothing in their heads.

think you might have mixed him up with someone else? he was pretty consistently pro-Corbyn and the only thing I could find relating to anti-semitism was this:

Essentially...

Hodge: "Acknowledge that there's been a problem with the handling of anti-semitism complaints. ACKNOWLEDGE!"
Corbyn: "I acknowledge that, and here's what I plan to do..."
Hodge: "OH MY GOD! SO YOU ADMIT IT! I'M TAKING THE TAPE TO THE PAPERS!"

The state of her.

— Simon Price﮷ (@simon_price01) April 14, 2019

yeah simon price has always been one of the good guys afaia

shit, I'm mixing him up with another music hack.. apologies Simon

bennun perhaps?

I was about to say, I don't remember THAT. (Simon and I have been FB friends for a while and we met up in 2018, so call me biased but yeah...that would have been out of character!)

could be.. I just remember seeing some performatively left-wing music journo calling him an antisemite and my brain turned him into Simon Price

take your pick tbh

I loved the Kulkarni clip but refuse to listen to that podcast as one of the other regularish contributors is an abuser, or at least has been an abuser, cannot write any details on a public forum but it seems to be an open secret and just do not get why he is still in the gang.

and now people will be speculating on who it is (never heard that story before btw so cant be that much of an open secret) and it will be unfair on them.

Kulkarni is funny but it felt like flogging the point. Maybe that's just me and podcasts. The tweet does it briefly and better.

xp sure, of course, but what's the alternative, I just ignore it?

Kulkarni is funny but it felt like flogging the point. Maybe that's just me and podcasts. The tweet does it briefly and better.

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 August 2024 16:36 (forty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah I find that podcast err a bit joyless to listen to personally, regardless of who's on it. It's just a me and podcasts thing.

The guy who hosts that podcast is an old mate of mine from Nottingham days - we still see each other from time to time - and he has a strong moral compass, so that open secret thing above has weirded me out. I've been listening devotedly for years, love it dearly, and it even inspired me to start my own (about which my mate the host has been very supportive).

Most Oasis discourse is flogging the point. Oasis themselves are about flogging the point.

"Let's get flogged."

the best latter-day Def Leppard single

Mike, I will DM you or sth.

Thanks, CAAL.

That Simon Price piece is excellent, BTW. And if you want to hear Kulkarni dishing out another righteous evisceration, this time to The Smiths, it's on the most recent episode of that podcast, all of which is a tribute to Neil; the Smiths rant was actually included at my suggestion, as it happens.

There was a really creepy thing on the Chart Music social media where some lad was joking about pretending to a member of Menswear to get laid, and instead of being weirded out by the implications of uninformed consent they re-posted this lad's comment as if it was "top banter" or whatever, really gave me the ick tbh

(joking about a time that this happened ie he pretended to be in Menswear because it helped him get laid, just to be clear)

My favorite Oasis related memory was back in 1996, when a DJ on the student radio station ran a call-in poll to see who was the better band, Oasis or The Beatles. Naturally the results were something like 61-1 in favor of The Beatles. This was probably 1, 2 in the morning and I decided to call in and pretend I was Liam and started yelling at the DJ about how stupid he and his listeners were. Didn't think my accent was all that great, but he asked me to start the rant over so he could play it on air.

Didn't think my accent was all that great,

Was it better than Daphne's brother in Frasier?

as for Oasis themselves: I was 7 in 1995 and we were very much an Oasis household so how much of my residual tolerance for them is simply nostalgia is hard to disentangle, I like noisy textures but the sneering and the empty lyrics are so devoid of value. I'd love to live in the alternate timeline suggested that if Britpop hadn't happened then we'd have been living in a multicultural musical climate in the UK, but I'm not sure if Oasis were really a cause so much as a symptom. It's amazing to me though that they're so lauded by certain corners when they've released seven albums and only two of them are really taken seriously. It's not like they're going to come out on stage and launch into "The Hindu Times."

xp - arguably, iirc.

It's not like they're going to come out on stage and launch into "The Hindu Times."

― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 28 August 2024 18:37 (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hah i wish

perhaps along among ilxors i have wondered which 00s songs will get played. the heathen chemistry singles felt BIG to me at the time, as big as any of the coldplay rush of blood ones.

alone among

"The Importance of Being Idle" is probably the most beloved post-Morning Glory tune

My favorite Oasis related memory was back in 1996, when a DJ on the student radio station ran a call-in poll to see who was the better band, Oasis or The Beatles. Naturally the results were something like 61-1 in favor of The Beatles. This was probably 1, 2 in the morning and I decided to call in and pretend I was Liam and started yelling at the DJ about how stupid he and his listeners were. Didn't think my accent was all that great, but he asked me to start the rant over so he could play it on air.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, August 28, 2024 6:34 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

great story!!!

stand by me or songbird id have said xp

personally id be going dyou know what i mean, i think

DM/(WTS)MG Era - 9 top 40 hits, including 7 top 10s, 2 number ones
After (WTS)MG - 17 top 40 hits, including 16 top 10s, 6 number ones

I feel like 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out' is the only post-90s Oasis track I hear being played anywhere these days, the others all seem to have left no trace, even the ones that were straight in at number 1?

Songbird won't be played because it's about Nicole. Maybe I'm Outta Time or some other lesser Liam song to preserve the democracy.

Being Idle had a long shelf life but it's probably been a good while since I last heard it around. Little by Little is done incessantly by someone at karaoke so I assume that one has kept its legs.

Most of the twentysomethings I know in the music-writing biz seem to love Oasis and also seem to maybe have a totally inaccurate idea of how popular they were in America? One top 40 hit, only one other top 100 hit, a lot of MTV play for a couple of years but basically nothing after Be Here Now's bomb of a release. R.E.M. were objectively far more popular in the states and yet their reputation has receded so much whereas Oasis are treated like one of the biggest bands of all time and not just in one particular country (and maybe its [more recent] former colonies, I dunno what the commonwealth rocks, dude.)

My coworkers partner conducted their first ever TV interview and introduced them at their biggest ever gig so obviously I had to ask her what he thought. No interest and too expensive lol.

A few weeks ago I learnt Oasis were 771 copies away from a US No. 1 album

What beat them?

That left it 770 copies short of the total sold by Sean “Puff Daddy” Combs’ “No Way Out.”

My coworkers partner conducted their first ever TV interview and introduced them at their biggest ever gig so obviously I had to ask her what he thought.

Man, who is this? (Or can it be said?)

In re the 770 thing: yeah that was pure AC/DC effect, Be Here Now did indeed almost get a number one spot out of the gate (and then immediately receded thereafter).

had no idea they lasted until almost 2010, thought they were done before the heyday of the Libertines

That left it 770 copies short of the total sold by Sean “Puff Daddy” Combs’ “No Way Out.”

Oh dear.

I wish Wiki included Oasis' American Mainstream/Modern Rock chart rankings in their singles discography info, because those Hot 100 entries definitely don't tell the whole story about their stateside popularity.

Ned - initials GC but will message you on FB :).