Pitchfork's P2k: The Decade in Music

What I'm saying is that IT SUCKS.

It doesn't matter if you don't prefer rock music.

I'm only on Season 2 of Mad Men

Since this is a pitchfork thread I was going to use the pitchfork 500 as an example, but they actually did a good job of balancing all genres throughout each chapter.. The last 2 chapters include Boris, Mastadon, Les Savy Fav, Exploding Hearts, Art Brut, Trail Of Dead, Queens, Shellac, Mclusky, Lightning Bolt, and probably a few others that I don't recognize as more ballsy rock.

I don't see bands like Television or, fuck, My Bloody Valentine as particularly testosterone-fueled bands.

Saying a certain rock record is shit because it lacks testosterone is asinine.

I certainly wasn't suggesting that.

i mean whiney is right, big indie has been less 'manly' but that's not why it's better/worse

don't you think that zach braff music is a pretty strawman representation of the 00s?

why does natalie portman not want to rock?

And why do we care?

To my ears, Television and MBV are huge sounding.. so I disagree with that. PJ Harvey records have muscle too, and she's very much all girl.

how is indie formed?

don't you think that zach braff music is a pretty strawman representation of the 00s?

― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, August 17, 2009 6:44 PM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark

since decemberists, animal collective, andrew bird, shins etc have been in the billboard top 10 in this decade i'd say no

What's the connection between masculinity and something being "huge sounding"? Last year's Portishead record sounds HUGE, but it's not particularly testosterone-fueled.

but so have arcade fire and spoon and the hold steady for instance are a hugely popular indie band and maybe they aren't as manly as jesus lizard (hold steady excepted probably) but all bands are arguably just as good

natalie portman is a macho rapper on SNL digital shorts

maybe lonely island best summed up this decade

yeah dogg MBV are total wussbait

television could be pretty macho though esp early on

xxxp I don't focus on the billboard top 10, but I imagine you could pick equally wussy acts from the 80s/90s to make the same point.

I dunno.. I suck at articulating myself today. you win because i'm now exhausted.

that's pretty drop in the ocean tho JS

Those wussy bands would be better than the fuckin' Decemberists though. . .

And what about something like Sonic Youth's Sonic Nurse, the best record they put out this decade? It's not manly at all, but it's still a great record.

Guys, this is some stupid shit.

a lot of wussy bands are better than the decemberists

like tiger trap

maybe lonely island best summed up this decade

kinda feel like Lamp was John the Baptist on this one upthread

I'd take Tiger Trap in fight over the Decemberists.

i mean if you're talking about the most popular indie acts of the decade (this is what whiney was talking about?) it would make sense to consider which sold the most records?

Yes well then it would make sense not bring up Jesus Lizard too.

It would have to be Postal Services or Oh, Inverted World or something, right?

*Postal Service, yikes.

okay we weren't on the same page then because I literally meant what i said, which was in reply to the "why do the 00s never want to rock" recent direction of this thread

Yes well then it would make sense not bring up Jesus Lizard too.

― Alex in SF, Monday, August 17, 2009 7:50 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I doublebacked and said, yes please feel free to use REM and XTC for this argument, but please keep hammering away at this point

I fail to see the difference between REM and XTC (or Robin Hitchcock or 10,000 Maniacs) and the Decemberists and the Shins (except that the former are much better) in terms of general testosteroniness.

i think REM def rocks more than the shins

They are generally the same in that respect.. correct. (except that Robyn Hitchcock wrote "I Wanna Destroy You.")

"i think REM def rocks more than the shins"

I think "more" is pushing it.

I mean, also, BIG INDIE doesn't even HAVE dudes like Jane's Addiction, The Cult, Ministry, Faith No More, Killing Joke, Pop Will Eat Itself

unless you count Mars Volta or "the scion metal fest"

Murmur kinda rocks, but in a not-so testicular manner.

Screaming Blue Messiahs rock more than Rock Plaza Central

How much does the expansion of the category of "metal" play into this?

i mean, hipsters picking the nits out of their beard while listening to SunnO))) doesn't really mean "big indie"

you have a beard and listen to sunno)))

Why do hipsters exist?

I think they should listen to the new Wilco.

I guess what I'm asking, is the bands you list, if they were getting "big" today, would they even be considered/promoted as indie, as opposed to metal?

you have a beard and listen to sunno)))

― geir ham, go (J0rdan S.), Monday, August 17, 2009 7:09 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark

^ This. (For the record, I bought the Sunn 0))) record and I have a beard too. FUCKKKKKKKK.)

faith no more and jane's addiction and the cult and ministry were all covered in the heavy metal media of the day.

pop will eat itself was from england and no one gave a fuck.

but they were also covered on 120 minutes and spin

being the point

so, this is a thread about a list by some indie music website's consensus favourite albums of the last ten years where you guys complain about the placement of missy elliott and moan about the fact that a genre of music invented by anorak wearing scottish pussies isn't testosterone fuelled enough because the only ppl left who still buy cds are middle aged and they buy andrew bird albums and zoooey deschanel is way into the smiths?

?

this is a thread about humans, and love