Rolling Stones: Classic or Dud

Andrew Loog Oldham's early life as part of the Swinging Sixties set to be turned into an HBO series.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007324.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

I need to rant. I made the ridiculous mistake of picking up a used copy of Robert Greenfield's 'Exile on Main Street: A Season In Hell With the Rolling Stones". I remember seeing it when it came out and thinking hmm, I ought to read that one. Bollocks. It's paining me to finish this piece of...whatever it is. Makes an excellent case for starting a "hot mess" genre. Ridiculous pandering cliches and TOO MANY BLOODY ADJECTIVES, and whatever scant 'events' are strung together with the drivel that I presume he calls 'writing'. I'm so annoyed by it now that just seeing the book on my nightstand puts me in a bad mood.
Blarg.

not read his exile book, but his book on the 1972 (?) US tour is about the best music book i've ever read

That's the crazy thing. I really really REALLY don't get what happened between the tour bio and this. It's like they were written by two different people.

but wasn't the tour book written in the 70s? and wasn't the exile book penned recently? i mean, compare and contrast 'exile' with, say, 'a bigger bang' or whatever the last stones lp was called... disappointed that it sounds like a stinker tho, because that 72 tour book is just great.

I got copies of the ABKCO 'Let It Bleed' and 'Beggars Banquet' vinyl reissues and the cd of 'Sticky Fingers. I'm blown away by how fresh these recordings sound. The vinyl issues especially. I'm sure I read somewhere that the vinyl cuts originate from the same mix as the SACD copies released. I downloaded FLAC's of the regular ABKCO non hybrid CD issues of 'Beggars Banquet' and 'Let it Bleed' for some comparison. On 'Sympathy for the Devil' the spikey lead guitar solo the sound on the CD is quite harsh and cutting but on the vinyl the solo's sound more balanced and better placed within the mix.

I was interested to read this;
"In August 2002, ABKCO Records reissued Beggars Banquet as a newly remastered LP and SACD/CD hybrid disk. This release corrected an important flaw in the original album by restoring each song to its proper, slightly faster speed. Due to an error in the mastering, Beggars Banquet was heard for over thirty years at a slower speed than it was recorded. This had the effect of altering not only the tempo of each song, but the song's key as well. These differences were subtle but important, and the remastered version is about 30 seconds shorter than the original release."

Either way the remastering on the 3 I've heard so far is revelatory. Up there with the recent Beatles reissues.

Aha! I did this with Exile last night. It does sound better, but tbh I couldn't tell you if it's the different mix or if the vinyl rip is better quality (I put it onto cd, and I don't even know if I've destroyed any pick-up by doing so - no audio geek, me). Someone said it was like having the band in the room with you though, and that's true.

Deconstructing ‘Gimme Shelter’: Listen to the isolated tracks of the Rolling Stones in the studio

I just wanted to say that "Time Waits For No One" is probably one of the best Rolling Stones songs that needs to be heard by more people. If only they'd given Mick Taylor the credit he deserved: what could have been!

In fact, this is probably the one thing that rankles me about the Rolling Stones overall... Jagger/Richards never really gave the rest of the group the credit they deserved if they contributed anything, did they? I'm sure Bill Wyman, as gentlemanly as he has been about it, was a bit pissed off when he found out he wasn't going to get a credit on "Jumpin' Jack Flash"... and wasn't Ronnie Wood a regular songwriter before he joined The Stones? Then suddenly, nothing... save some co-writes on "Dirty Work" at a point when Jagger couldn't be arsed with the band.

Sez the caption:

This photo of The Rolling Stones by world famous photographer Rankin was taken in London today to mark the 50th anniversary of the Rollin’ Stones first ever live performance on 12 July 1962 at the iconic venue on London’s Oxford Street.

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/8114_10151042838078287_1165543580_n.jpg

NO BASS

That's actually Bill Wyman wearing Ron Wood's discarded face.

Can somebody repost that in the "men who look like old lesbians" thread?

Well if you're going to do that:

http://www.somanyrecordssolittletime.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/RollingStonesMotherShadowPSB.jpg

always wondered why Mick looks so much more, er, deeply tanned in that picture compared to everyone else

i hope i age like CW

Pffft. In 100 years, people will still be listening to the Rolling Stones and plenty of people will like Steel Wheels more than Exile.

Lol

The scuttlebutt I heard was that Keith needs to get his creaky fingers in shape for next year, and that Wyman and ... drum roll ... Mick Taylor are both on board for select performances of Taylor-era albums in their entirety shows. Who knows, though. No doubt Jagger will screw it all up and we'll get a huge hits tour.

(TS: Mick Jagger vs. Mike Love)

man that is a genuine tough call for me

I'm not sure I could even decide which one does a worse funky chicken/naughty schoolteacher

All we needed:

Mick Jagger sings about class tensions and oil fracking over a Keith Richards guitar riff

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/rolling-stones-blend-past-and-present-on-doom-and-gloom-20121011#ixzz290OBxaZs

It's not bad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DqJcNCLU0w

Every so often Mick goes 'oh yeah, the world' in his lyrics. Thus, 1989:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pYBQg4qifU

doom & gloom sounds like the hives

always like this late era politijagger tune https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwIhyMfvRY

Saw Cocksucker Blues for the first time last night. Does anyone know who the guy who does the hotel-room monologue near the end about the brotherhood of junkies? It's a fairly polished comedy monologue.

HEAR THAT FUNKY NOISE
THAT'S THE TIGHTENING OF THE SCROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWZ

hpy nw yr

charlie looks like derek jacobi or something

You guys I don't want to blow your minds but this Beggars Banquet album is pretty good.

bump

listening to exile

this band is an unabashed dud 4eva

Lol

I looked at photos of young Mick Jagger this morning. Then I read a chapter of "Life". And then things got weird on ILM

Life was a fun read

that junkie zombie was such a friggin' genius. jeezus how is it possible that i often forget that he wrote the music to all those songs? its a credit to the fact that i think of them as a BAND. a complete whole. and i don't think of individual accomplishments. but for real that scarecrow bastard is one of the great songwriters of the 20th century! i'll try not to forget.

The Rolling Stones. To me they are no more than just overrated jerks who write melodically dead emotionally dry music. The most overrated band I know of, actually. The Rolling Stones receive way too much praise and credit for everything from influence to the quality of their hooks. I'd give them a one at best. That said, there are a bunch of Stones songs that I do like (even a couple that I love) and I can easily say Beggar's Banquet is a really good album, but for the most part they really leave me cold. Sorry, this is just how I feel.

sorry to anyone i offended with my awesome last comment btw

oh, i forgot - Classic.

i always passed over "Emotional Rescue" but lately i've found it kind of hypnotic and amazing.

i love that song. i have a friend far away who sings that every time i end up karaoke-ing with him. i think his version may be better, but i don't know.

jeezus how is it possible that i often forget that he wrote the music to all those songs?

Ha, probably because he didn't. Mick Taylor and Billy Preston have both claimed to have co-written a bunch of stuff not credited to them, and Wyman came up with the riff for "Jumpin' Jack Flash."

Saw Cocksucker Blues for the first time last night. Does anyone know who the guy who does the hotel-room monologue near the end about the brotherhood of junkies? It's a fairly polished comedy monologue.

― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, November 16, 2012 10:40 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think maybe it's Danny Seymour? He was Frank's right hand man, shot alot of CS Blues--is he the guy who shoots up the girl in the hotel room? if so, that's him. think he od'd shortly after the film was made (maybe i'm wrong)

mick taylor and billy preston and bill wyman didn't write shit. i'm sure lots of people came up with ideas or riffs though.

mick & keith wrote amazing songs for decades and those dudes were definitely not in the room the whole time.

i ponied up -- $150 for "limited view" seats, angled side/back but pretty close all things considered. and then there's mick taylor up there and they're playing midnight rambler. i was a tail-end boomer; '72 stones was just out of reach for me. so forgive me for getting all misty-eyed 'mbv-reunion' on you guys. it was dreamy.

i think bill wyman wrote ONE song on a stones album. "in another land". i like it though. i also like that when they put it out as a single they credited it to bill alone and not the stones. ha! no respect...

i saw that "charlie is my darling" movie and it sure looked like mick/keith/charlie were the ones in the room when songwriting was happening.