Underworld - Classic or Dud?

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that monochrome pall is part of what i find really absorbing about second toughest. i find it difficult to explain how that is different from merely "boring" or "featureless" but somehow the songs are distinct, yet flow naturally one into the other without any giant leaps or gaps.

partly i think the danceability of second toughest is subtle yet powerful- the repetitive figures of the "juanita/kiteless" opening block at first just make you bounce around a little bit, jiggle a leg in your seat or whatever, but by later you're humming along with the vocoder and it picks up speed. this is opposed to the danceability of, say, "push upstairs," which just starts bashing down the door and forcing you to dance with the detroit-ness of it all and builds even more on that.

.rob (rgeary), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link

that is all to say, i do find second toughest physically compulsive but in a back-door kind of way- you have to hear the tracks a few times before you find them compulsive, whereas underworld's most obviously danceable tracks ("rez," "born slippy," much of beacoup fish) instantly commands dance reactions from the first beat.

neither is a better approach.

.rob (rgeary), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 05:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Second Toughest is okay but it's not as good as the first or the third album - the "dance" sections just aren't physically compulsive enough.

OTM OTM OTM OTM and incidentally this is why "Pearl's Girl" is the only track on the album that works.

_Second Toughest..._ comes across like they took the miniscule edge of _dubnobass..._ and sanded it off of every track, leaving a completely innoffensive and uninvolving puddle of bland (with the SOLE exception of "Pearl's Girl"); the entire reason why most of those songs work better in a live situation is because beefed up through a gigantic club system with all of the live filter processing and feedback inherent in the setup the tracks regain bite and crispness. I first heard most of the _Second Toughest..._ material live at one of their shows in support of the album and was DEEPLY LET DOWN by the faceless blancmange that they put in the stores, so I basically turned back to the drum n bass CDs that were piling up next to my stereo and wrote them off for YEARS.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Is the recent double-album singles collection the best place to start> I sincerely doubt I will ever invest in buying all their albums.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link

that should, of course, read as "?" -- cuz i'm asking.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

yeh it's not perfect but provides an adequate guide

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 7 October 2004 08:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic.

I've been meaning to listen to dubnobass and stiti again - it's been a while.

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 7 October 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

is the recent double-album singles collection the best place to start
It is the perfect place to start because it contains many singles that weren't on the albums.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

(and because everything on it is awesome, of course. But in particular, some of their finest singles weren't on the albums, including their finest, "Rez")

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't have the double singles-thingy, but can unreservedly recommend Dubnobass... and Second Toughest. You will (or should) buy them both, since they contain amazing tracks that aren't in turn included on the singles thing. Which I should get myself...

Dark Horse, Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Essential Underworld songs you won't get off the hits:

Spoonman
Juanita: Kiteless (preferably in some version that cuts the "To Dream of Love" part)
Eclipse
Minneapolis
Confusion the Waitress
Cherry Pie
Cups
Dark & Long
maybe Why Why Why

burn a CD-R, get the hits, and that should be about all that's necessary.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i had such an urge to listen to Rowla yesterday i dl'd it at work tho i have the CD at home

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

their live set is really good too, everything everything.

still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

This band is fucking fantastic. Second Toughest placed number one on my '90s ballot (and a couple of others).

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Tonight on Radio 1 at 11pm, Underworld are guest presenters on the John Peel show slot.

Rick and Karl will be presenting Tuesday night's show.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/thisweek/thisweek.shtml#sess1

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

it's on..........

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

for those not as familiar with Underworld, i highly recommend tracking down some of their remixes of other peoples tunes. Simply Red - Thrill Me, Spooky - Schmoo, Drum Club - Soundsystem, Leftfield - Song of Life, Saint Etienne - Cool Kids of Death (Full 12" Mix) to name but a few...Underworld are awesome straight through...skip the bangers (Rowla etc.) and head for the deeper tunes.

biznotic, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Okay, this live recording of "Moaner" I've found is absolutely BLINDING.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, "Rowla" fights with "Luetin" as being their best album track ever.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG I LOVE THE ORIGINAL "Born Slippy" SO MUCH NGAAAAAAAAAH

(yes I recently downloaded the live BBC mp3s)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

The original's great. I've never been arsed with the famous one; it sounds like "Wonderful Christmastime".

KeithW (kmw), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
8 years after the fact "Push Upstairs" is suddenly one of my favorite songs. WTF?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

8 years? nope, 6.
Start of 1999 'B.FISH' came out.


these days i'm always surprised how much i like '100 days off' whenever i re-listen to it. they fckn ruled didn't they?
they might again!

piscesboy, Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

_Second Toughest..._ comes across like they took the miniscule edge of _dubnobass..._ and sanded it off of every track, leaving a completely innoffensive and uninvolving puddle of bland (with the SOLE exception of "Pearl's Girl")

Wow; well that's certainly different from my opinion anyway. I often think that Banstyle/Sappys Curry is my favourite track of the '90s. Bland is the last thing I'd describe it as. The first half hour of that record I think are amongst the best half hour of music I've ever heard. Not to worry, we're obviously looking for different things in it.

KeithW (kmw), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

'97, '99... tomato, tomato. (heh) (oh and YES 100 DAYS OFF IS TEH HOTTNESS)

Not to worry, we're obviously looking for different things in it.

Yeah, I've come to the conclusion that the particular itch that STITI scratches is an itch I pretty much have never had.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Just discovered Second Toughest. OMFG does this cd kick me bum.

Star Cauliflower (Star Cauliflower), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/~junebugtd7/uw-freur_header.JPG

DOOT!

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000007WJC.03.LZZZZZZZ.gif

Seeyoolaaaaayta Seeyoolaaaaayta aHEPMEAnownowaHEPMEanownownooooooowww yeah...

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait, NEDWARD's collection?

Wonder why I never posted on this thread, actually. Great of course but I'm too under the weather to say more than that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
THESE ARE MY INTENTIONS

The Ghost of PUSH IT (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

HEY FELLOW DANCER GREAT TIMES
DOING IT
EXCUSE ME SOUL FELLOW ONE TIME ONE TIME
EXPLODE MYSTIC DOVE
EXPLODE MYSTIC DOVE
START FEELING
LOVELY

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan, I think of you every time I hear that part.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

for those not as familiar with Underworld, i highly recommend tracking down some of their remixes of other peoples tunes.

I like Underworld, but their remix of Depeche Mode's "Barrel Of a Gun" still leaves me quite cold.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

get one blanket

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

there are two Underworld remixes of 'Barrel Of A Gun'. i like both but the beatless one more - excellent pads.

Sven Bastard (blueski), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

their remix of Depeche Mode's "Barrel Of a Gun" still leaves me quite cold.

chillout music innit

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Underworld - live on dirty radio NOW
http://www.dirty.org/underworld/

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Listening to the 1992-2002 anthology this afternoon...sometimes they seem to me like the ultimate band, just a beautiful summation of so many musical tendencies in rock and dance and even soul maybe...they are wonderful

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Friday, 9 December 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/~junebugtd7/uw-freur_header.JPG

"alfie" looks like that guy from Lord of the Rings

latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

banana OTM

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

When they are on, they are so ridiculously ON that it makes the times when they are off seem like crimes against humanity.

Dan (Yes, I Still Hate _Second Toughest..._) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

listening to "pizza for eggs" now

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 9 December 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"alfie" looks like that guy from Lord of the Rings

Or a cut-rate 1970s Brian Eno.

Myke Weiskopf (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 10 December 2005 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

cutty OTM

gear (gear), Saturday, 10 December 2005 02:05 (eighteen years ago) link

second toughest in the infants is still my favorite record from the '90s

gear (gear), Saturday, 10 December 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I need to pick up Beaucoup Fish again (I could only bear to rip the good bits ;_; maybe time for a re-evaluation... as if I haven't given it enough chances already.) The peaks.. Yes! The troughs? OUCH.

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 10 December 2005 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
I just can't get over this band. I've never stopped or even slowed down on listening to them and they sound as fresh to me as they did 10 years ago. I listen to something of theirs almost every day.

RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder what their new stuff sounds like.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:04 (seventeen years ago) link

"I wonder what their new stuff sounds like."

http://www.underworldlive.com/index/shop.html

braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Of their new stuff, I highly recommend both "JAL to Tokyo" (the first song on Lovely Broken Thing and the entirety of I'm a Big Sister and I'm a Girl and I'm a Princess and This is My Horse.

Sure I like their more mellow new tunes, but I still would absolutely kill to hear them do another total rockin' monster 12" banger like "Cowgirl" or "Cups" or "Spikee." Hell, NOBODY does totally rockin' monster 12" bangers anymore. Ah well.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 21 September 2006 09:22 (seventeen years ago) link


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