― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link
i'm not an F-A-G
― Eisbaer, Sunday, 27 April 2008 05:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Some of my friends went to see them tonight. I kinda wish I had gone, I listened to them a lot when I was younger.
― circa1916, Sunday, 27 April 2008 06:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Still a brilliant record.
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 27 April 2008 12:17 (sixteen years ago) link
their best moment!
― cutty, Sunday, 27 April 2008 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link
never occurred to me that it could be heard that way but you are right
― akm, Sunday, 27 April 2008 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link
A cougar is more like a kitten than it is like a velociraptor but that doesn't mean it would make an appropriate pet for a four-year-old.
-- The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:42 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link
heh
― latebloomer, Sunday, 27 April 2008 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link
http://cdn.channel.aol.com/amgmusic/artists/pic200/drp000/p082/p08248g85s1.jpg
― Romeo Jones, Sunday, 27 April 2008 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link
the corridor, yes the corridor
― latebloomer, Sunday, 27 April 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link
― Ein kluges Äpfelchen (Eisbaer), Thursday, 29 January 2009 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link
YES THE CORRIDOR
― cutty, Thursday, 29 January 2009 23:53 (fifteen years ago) link
FAR BELOW, FAR BELOW, FAR BELOW IS THE PLACE YOU'LL GO, HO!
― Alex in NYC, Friday, 30 January 2009 01:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm loving al jourgeson's adam ant haircut/earring.
― Ein kluges Äpfelchen (Eisbaer), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Whatever happened to the Other Guy in Ministry circa With Sympathy?
― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Al was on a VH1 Classic show ("Hangin' With", I think) where he was playing videos by his band and bands that he liked, and he actually played the above video, so I guess he's at peace with his hilarious past.
― Vulgar Display of Flowers (J3ff T.), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link
You're assuming that he wasn't hilarious after that.
― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 30 January 2009 22:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, but he was hilarious in a different way.
― Vulgar Display of Flowers (J3ff T.), Friday, 30 January 2009 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link
[cue Butthead's impression from the "NWO" video]
― Vulgar Display of Flowers (J3ff T.), Friday, 30 January 2009 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link
this fuckin record
― pretzel walrus, Friday, 31 July 2009 06:45 (fourteen years ago) link
so great
really?! must investigate.
― daria, actually (daria-g), Friday, 31 July 2009 07:00 (fourteen years ago) link
You've got to work for your new role as the Boston Globe business editor
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
CLASSIC!
― Turrican, Monday, 26 October 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
Is it wrong that I actually prefer this album to everything that Jourgensen did afterwards? Taken on its own terms, I think this is a wonderful record. Not only does it slot in nicely with early '80s UK synthpop, it actually manages to hold its own in comparison to the best of the stuff that was happening in the genre at that time. Wonderful stuff.
― Turrican, Monday, 26 October 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
I don't think it's a particularly surprising opinion to have; the collection of songs he put together on that package exist in a universe almost directly orthogonal to every other release he put out
(that said, #TeamTwitch all day every day; IMO that is a superlative album)
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
Falls after the first half
― brimstead, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
xpost:
Yeah, I like Twitch too, but With Sympathy is one of those records I always find myself returning to!
― Turrican, Monday, 26 October 2015 20:49 (eight years ago) link
WHAT HE SAY!?
LET'S DANCE!
*totally fucking absurd synth-trumpet breakdown section*
― Turrican, Saturday, 31 October 2015 00:57 (eight years ago) link
it's alright, but I can't get with anyone hwo thinks it's superior to either twitch or A Mind... both of which seem more groundbreaking and involving.
― akm, Saturday, 31 October 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link
Falls after the first half― brimstead, Monday, October 26, 2015 8:48 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― brimstead, Monday, October 26, 2015 8:48 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Oh, the first half of the album is wonderful, but I love 'Here We Go', 'Say You're Sorry' and particularly 'She's Got a Cause'
― Turrican, Sunday, 1 November 2015 01:16 (eight years ago) link
it's not groundbreaking but the songs (mostly) are just so great. twitch will always be my ultimate ministry album but "work for love" (as it will always be known to me and most euro-ministry fans) is pretty much my definition of perfect pop.
― stirmonster, Sunday, 1 November 2015 07:22 (eight years ago) link
Great surprise to see Yvonne Gage in Shay Jones' role, three years after she made "Garden of Eve," one of the best boogie records.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOD5pxdZiyo
― Andy K, Sunday, 1 November 2015 14:23 (eight years ago) link
The thing about Twitch is that I can still detect some UK electro influence in it, particularly Fad Gadget.
― Turrican, Sunday, 1 November 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link
I was surprised to learn that Flood worked on With Sympathy, actually... this surely must have been one of the earliest album he worked on, although not as a producer?
― Turrican, Sunday, 1 November 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
hoo boy, classic
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 26 April 2019 02:04 (five years ago) link
can't tell you how unsurprised i am to see djp in this thread
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 26 April 2019 02:09 (five years ago) link
Doesn't Flood have a credit on the first New Order record?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 April 2019 02:32 (five years ago) link
Certainly Filth Pig is a bigger stain on the Ministry catalog than With Sympathy...
otm
― john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Friday, 26 April 2019 02:36 (five years ago) link
Flood worked on a load of things before this. And yes, he did engineering on 'Movement'.
I saw Ministry in Toronto last week (first time since 1991). It was great fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYfH_vSGO1M
― stirmonster, Friday, 26 April 2019 02:53 (five years ago) link
You did it againYou did it againYou did it again and again and againHo ho!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 26 April 2019 08:05 (five years ago) link
I've never listened to With Sympathy, but I listened to Filth Pig (and Dark Side of the Spoon) for the first time yesterday, and FP is...kind of good. It's not an "industrial" or "industrial metal" album; it's more like a noise-rock album. The way the guitars and drums are mixed, it's closer to Unsane or a band on Amphetamine Reptile than anything else Al's ever done. I can understand why people don't like it - it's really ugly sounding and kind of monochromatic compared with their previous albums, and the songs are often longer than they need to be (six minutes when they should have been four), but more of it works, on its own terms, than I expected.
Spoon is ugly, too; it sounds like it was recorded through a boombox's condenser mic. But there are some weird and compelling tracks on it - the closing piece, "10/10," features an extended Charles Mingus sample that I didn't see coming.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:19 (five years ago) link
I listen to Mind all the time.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 April 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
"six minutes when they should have been four" describes almost every Ministry song recorded since A Mind...
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link
xxp I also listened to Filth Pig for the first time quite recently (after avoiding it for years because everyone says it's shit) and I completely agree with you - do I like it as much as their 80s stuff, no, but it's really not bad at all, and your AmRep comparison makes sense. but I also agree about the songs being a bit long.
that said I also like With Sympathy! and I don't hate what I've listened to of post Filth Pig. I guess there isn't much Ministry I don't like... not that I've heard anything released after 2004
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 26 April 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link
https://sonicmoremusic.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/ministry-1983.jpg
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:22 (five years ago) link
Always loved this press photo circa the With Sympathy era.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:23 (five years ago) link
Yeah, surprised anyone would still trot out Filth Pig as a low point. Maybe ahead of their fan base with that one. Sludge/noise rock turn and they did it pretty well imo.
― circa1916, Saturday, 27 April 2019 05:31 (five years ago) link
In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up is still the prime Ministry record for me
― circa1916, Saturday, 27 April 2019 05:35 (five years ago) link
Al seems to have made his peace with it, or really needs the $s?
https://ministryband.bandcamp.com/album/chicago-1982
― stirmonster, Monday, 13 May 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link