Kraftwerk

Oh my god, I'm listening to the original '83 version of "Tour de France" right now and am FLIPPING OUT

for the first time

Remastered sound?

The remastering will be the selling point for me. The CDs that we've been listening to for the last twenty years leave a lot to be desired.

will "Techno Pop" be mythical lost album or just "Electric Cafe" with original title?

wikipedia says it's just electric cafe with the original title

ralf and florian is nice, summery, kind of hawaiian

-- this explains why i like that lp so much!

Techno Pop was basically a failed album that had the best parts remixed into Electric Cafe. I doubt it will ever seen the light of day and I am not too upset about it. It would be neat to hear out of curiosity, but I doubt they have eight Tour de France style joints sitting in the can waiting to be heard.

That being said, I can only imagine what they have in their archives. I would love to hear the demos for songs that didn't make the cut for their studio albums. They will never be heard while Hutter is alive, but it will be interesting to see how his estate handles the music.

It will also be interesting to see who is credited on the box set. I wonder if Schneider will have his name removed like Bartos and Flur.

.. and Conny Plank...

1983 demo version of 'Techno Pop' is utterly different than album version, almost a 70's retrench with the Orchestron vocal choir playing the chord sequence, I like it better than the album version

& there were three new tunes on the 98 tour than remain unreleased, I can see why but I'd still love a studio version of the one that sounds like their take on Basic Channel

word! is that demo vers floating around somewhere reachable?
the live versions I've heard of the "Techno Pop" stuff is pretty great ... hard-hitting, muscular stuff

usual place, + demo version of 'techno pop' widely available on 'ultra rare trax volume 2' comp, most widely available bootleg of 97/98 tour is 'Computer Sinfonien ZKM'

correction, one word "Computersinfonien"

but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too

ace, thanks!

"but "Tribal Gathering" and "Live at the Fillmore" boots pretty good too"

for a second i'm thinking i clicked on the live dead thread by mistake...

yeah I mean "Fillmore" is a better, more lush recording that captures more of the vibe of the night, but at "Tribal" Ralf was just so on

The only Kraftwerk recordings I have are 70's era, including the one with Rother + Dinger, and this one from Leverkusen with a 40 minute Autobahn

you know where leonardo is? I've been looking for Leverkusen forever, I'll put up 1975 Brighton if you post that one

to go back to "Tribal" it was like Ralf had all this energy that you could literally see rising out of his hands, and it wasn't the acid because I asked Mary and she saw the same tendrils

It's in flac or shn; what's the best way to send something of that size?

i quite liked the three late 90s demos esp. the Tribal '97 one. actually 'Tango' was a bit shit but they kept doing that live for a while unlike the other two.

oh jeez, probably zipping the flac files would get them under sendspace-able 300 MB

I know this is bad form trading right out here on the street but seriously if they sold this shit legit we wouldn't be in the sorry state we are right now man

Oh it's fine, I got it all on dime/dc++ anyway. It's not like it's copyrighted or anything.

Relistening to this Autobahn for the first time in like 6 years. Sound quality's kind of shit, but performance is simply transcendent. If this isn't A++++ I don't know what is; the motorik breakdown alone is like 10 minutes. Will post soon.

The whole thing's 980 megs though; I think I'll just V0 this or something.

fine with mp3's

Kraftwerk POX
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jfeegk

the other non-album Kraftwerk single I'm looking for, the pre-Conny Plank 7" version of “Kohoutek – Kometenmelodie” - http://www.headheritage.com/unsung/thebookofseth/1743

have heard side 1, still haven't heard side 2

ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/5rsc6e

Techno Pop version of 'Sex Object'

http://r*pidshare.com/files/266436158/kwtp.zip.html

ha ha until this very second, oh blogspot.

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 00:58 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

where?

If you google kohoutek and kraftwerk it's one of the first results

Yeah, found one. Quite recently, I did that, got nowt...

chemicalbeats.blogspot.com usually has some good stuff.

http://chemicalbeats.blogspot.com/2008/11/kraftwerk-kohoutek-kometenmelodie.html

stuff like that

Leverkusen is hilarious, it's rare to hear that many technical problems / mistakes, it's enjoyable. and that version of Autobahn is hands down beautiful.

for the Brighton show they'd just bought the Orchestron, so it's a fun chance to hear them use those TEE Strings / Radioactivity Choir samples on almost every single song

not a single one of the 70's shows I don't want to hear at least once: http://www.valand.gu.se/dm/students/andreas/kw_skivor/bootlegs.html

They never did perform "Europe Endless"/"Endless Endless"/"Franz Schubert" live did they? I would killlll to hear one...

you should track down the london roundhouse gig from 1976, they do "europe endless" and a version of "trans europe express" that sounds like a work in progress, quite different from the released version

I'd love to hear that

also, above, when saying 'Live at the Fillmore' I in fact meant '19980607 - Live at the Warfield, SF'

I know this is retarded and I love Kraftwerk but seeing them live this year made me sad. Maybe they're too old for this sort of thing now. :(

listening back (cough cough) "europe endless" is not quite there either, the rhythm is different & faster, extra vocal bits etc. its quite odd hearing songs you know inside out at an earlier stage.

seeing them live this year made me sad.

I saw them last year and it was AMAZING (had never seen Florian-including lineup though)

I love Kraftwerk but seeing them live this year made me sad

Yeah, I skipped the early 00s UK dates because I thought I would prefer to imagine how they'd have been at the time of releasing their best music rather than see them now, but inspired by last-tour-ever rumours I was considering seeing them next month in Helsinki...

(Mainly I just noticed I have some leave left and thought that Helsinki would be fun and a music festival in Helsinki would be extra fun and a music festival with Kraftwerk headlining would be, uh, extra extra fun.)

Jori Hulkkonen's Acid Symphony is opening for Kraftwerk in Helsinki. You should go. I've seen clips of their performance and it's really unique and fun. Then you could stick around and see 4 old dudes stand behind laptops with cool visuals projected behind them.

Then you could stick around and see 4 old dudes stand behind laptops with cool visuals projected behind them.
Bwahahaha. QFT.

the whole second half of that Leverkusen gig is top notch. the version of Kristallo is intense, and what in the world is that Irish jig that Ralf moogs into for the last ten minutes of the show? it's closer to Roedelius than anything they ever came close to putting on a record, even the keyboard noodling on 'Ralf and Florian' is restrained compared to that. Cluster and Kraftwerk really were on parallel tracks in 1974... thanks for posting SD.

I would love to hear the rest of that Roundhouse gig, not to beg for further generosity. Here's 'Kraftwerk !/2', which was a CDR of all their 70/71 WDR TV appearances put out by the same Seidr label that released 'K4' -- it should have gotten the same amount of attention, but it's clever title is unfortunately completely googleproof

Oops, the Finland date is actually, uh, tonight. Guess I'm not going then!

Thanks for all the music links, much appreciated.

sorry milton, got sidetracked. full roundhouse

T/F: this is the best thread on ILM

T. Maybe.

Thanks Milton, for that !/2 thing, I've never been able to locate it. Organisation's Ruckzuck is quite hilarious. Bongo's?
Thansk Stevie for the Leverkusen gig. German girls making fun of fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n :-D

Local recordshop has a few Kraftwerk boots on vinyl. Don't know them by heart but a here's a few:
Somewhere in Europe (Side a is Paris, b is Utrecht iirc)
Showroom Dummies (double LP, not sure about the title, it's a UK gig from 1975)
an LP with WDR recordings (amongst which both Kometenmelodies and Autobahn)
a double LP with 1975 US recordings.
and probably two more I forgot

Tips as to what's good? Should probably get them all, right? ;-)

willem et al have you all heard the Kraftneu! recordings? There's the legendary K4 bootleg, and apparently there's another one from St. Ingbert, '71

I've got the K4 and love it, don't know the St. Ingbert boot.

Just found it on my hard drve; kinda sounds like shit and is cut off at the end.

I wouldn’t trust releases from Russia as being authorized

update: I checked that Endless Happiness label out and sprung for a copy of Clube Da Esquina, it sounds absolutely fantastic

I always had this memory of seeing Kraftwerk on television when I was nine or ten years old but I could never exactly place it. Like having a memory of seeing a UFO - totally amazing but you're never going to see it again.

Only now it's on YouTube and there's a date: it's the July 25, 1975 episode of The Midnight Special
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ncfRpukY60

It's amusing watching the whole episode, the rest of it is all Helen Reddy and Neil Sedaka and the like, when Kraftwerk appear they look like aliens who've beamed in from the future.

the zoom ins on the knobs are so cool. so many machines you'll never see again

I love how it gets all wobbly as Florian's ARP Odyssey slowly detunes

Anyone catching their current tour?

Note they're covering 'Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence' as a tribute to Ryuichi, and also playing the never released 'Tango' again for the first time since before the TDF album came out.

ah fudge Elvis’ video is now set to private

Never fear, it's been reposted by others. Actually I'm not sure why it was that big of a deal when it was posted last month, since the footage has circulated for many years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ8BPCWX-dw

Going to see them Thursday in Wolverhampton. No idea what to expect but looking forward to it