ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS

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not nominated, I think. Pretty sure I woulda voted for Is This It if it was there.

― Maciej Kasperowicz (Maciej), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, I'm slightly upset that Kish Kash placed higher than Rooty.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

_Kish Kash_ is a better album than _Rooty_. It's better sequenced and overall has better songs.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

so untrue. so, so untrue.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

No, very very true.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh come on they are within two spots of one another. Like it really matters (FWIW I like Kish Kash better as an album too.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

_Kish Kash_ is a better album than _Rooty_.

Perhaps, but Rooty meant / means way more to me.

― frankE (frankE), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

_Kish Kash_ is a better album than _Rooty_. It's better sequenced and overall has better songs.
-- VengaDan Perry (djperr...), August 27th, 2004.

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so untrue. so, so untrue.
-- The Good Dr. Bill (fadeout9...), August 27th, 2004.

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No, very very true.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), August 27th, 2004.

Where else can you find this level of music debate on the web?

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Basement Jaxx=overrated! And I even heard an entire CD by them, not just five second samples. (I would like to give Kish Kash a try though.)

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't got Rooty, as I said, but from the tracks off it that I do know, it sounds lot less song-oriented and rock-textured than Kish Kash. Is that fair?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

No. 3

Points: 1287
No. of votes: 56
No. of #1 votes: 3

Artist: THE STREETS
Title: ORIGINAL PIRATE MATERIAL
Label: Locked On
Year: 2002

http://base58.com/ilx/ilm/top100/20002004/albums/originalpiratematerial.jpg

Original Pirate Material is as much England's first great hip-hop album as it is its last great music hall album. It's also the best 2-tone album since the Beat went bad, and Ian Dury via Rhythm Division. It's every cliché you've heard so far, and then a few more piled on top. The fact that it survives this blitz at all is testament to Mike Skinners' very real skillz: language, delivery, rhythm, inflection. If it seems slight now compared to its superior sequel, that's a bit like comparing an author's (for he is) collection of early short stories to the novel. The fourteen slices of life on OPM are still very rich places to revisit. And compared to the ultra-spare backings of the new album, the music has far more depth than I remember: the slurping, harumphing beats of "Sharp Darts," the weird ambient rustles at the beginning of "It's Too Late," the gnarled as old shoe leather orchestral loops in "Geezer's Need Excitement", the cheesy incidental garridge of "Who Got The Funk?", the "Fit But You Know It" prototype Madness/Jam chug of "Don't Mug Yourself", the Disco Inferno-ish feel of "Has It Come To This?". As for the words, if I started quoting, I'd be here all night, but special shout out to "we first me through a shared view/she loved me and I did too", a bit of amazingly subtle self-absorption that never really draws attention to itself even though it's the lynchpin on which "It's Too Late" (and maybe the album itself) spins on. Mike Skinner wasn't writing about the everyman. It's just fourteen versions of himself. He just happens to live like common people, doing whatever common people do. Jess

Recommended tracks: Turn The Page, Has It Come To This, It's Too Late, Weak Become Heroes

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Where else can you find this level of music debate on the web?

The minimal is maximal.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

At this point there's no way that Basement Jaxx COULDN'T be seen as overrated, considering that they've been painted as dance messiahs.

(BTW "overall" is a copout that means "okay, of the songs on the two albums maybe my two favorites are on _Rooty_ but the next 6 are on _Kish Kash_".)

(xxpost NOW TALK ABOUT OVERRATED GAAAAAAH)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

What a showdown for the last two though.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

rockist scientist why are you playing such a curmudgeon caricature on this thread? ease up.

― amateur!!st, Friday, 27 August 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Radiohead will beat Daft Punk, won't they? I just know they sodding will.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's Kid A vs. Discovery, right?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

In the world series of love.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh jesus.

Well, I said that they had even odds, so it's a coin toss--the personification of the "ILM taste" vs. the personification of the critical hivemind. Will good triumph over evil? Does it matter which album is better? Can I say here that Kid A was my #1?

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

whatta nailbiter!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

... the slurping, harumphing beats of "Sharp Darts," ...
I think I've learned a new word today!

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

/me cover eyes, peers through fingers, unable to stop watching the slo-mo car crash

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

kid a will win all the telltale warning signs are there

― artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

is it gonna be florida all over again?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope its that close

― artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

funny how both the "ilm taste" and "critical hivemind" picks are really good records

― amateur!!st, Friday, 27 August 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I will grant "Weak Become Heroes" and "Don't Mug Yourself" but otherwise there's a sparseness on _OPM_ that I find completely, totally, absolutely off-putting. Kick it in the nuts!

(xpost at this point I hope _Kid A_ wins because it is hands down a better album than _Discovery_, which is yet another example of ILM taking a decent album and elevating it to undeserved godhood)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it might be in Stevem's best interests to put Radiohead at #2 no matter who actually won.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

all great albums are decent albums elevated to undeserved godhood

― artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

This is true but some albums are more undeserving than others.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

some girls are bigger than others!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Kid A is interesting in theory, tedious in actuality. Some people would no doubt say exactly the same about Discovery. Some people will say it about BOTH!

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think both albums are totally worthy of #1.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It's kind of understandable that Kid A would do well in this list, as it really works as an album in the age of the track (although I am now bitterly regretting placing it at all). As Jess said over on the other thread, though - I can't understand the love for Radiohead tracks. Whereas with Discovery, I (shame) never listen to the whole album at all. I just play the singles over and over.

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i very very rarely listen to all of either album

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm guessing if stankonia had been nominated it've taken this thing

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think it works as an album, though (Kid A this is) - so often when I tried to listen to it I got lulled by the ambient one and then thought ah, fuck it, I want something pretty every time the harsher stuff came back in.

I can understand people respecting it but liking it? Eh. LOVING it? Double eh.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

not sure i ever made it through kid a straight through

― artiste (artiste), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

wait. why wasn't it or "is this it" nominated?? did they come out in 1999? if not, that seems so odd. i don't understand this poll.

― amateur!!st, Friday, 27 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

_Is This it_ wasn't nominated because _It Is Shit_.

(I SLAY ME)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't often make it to the end of Discovery either but that's cos I feel happy and delighted with the world by the end of Something About Us!

I do take Jamie's point though, I'm not an 'albums person' and maybe thats why I put Discovery as my #1.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i hate to say it but not enough brits voted

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Kid A is interesting in theory, tedious in actuality. Some people would no doubt say exactly the same about Discovery. Some people will say it about BOTH!
I am some people.
Actually, "Discovery" isn't even interesting in theory, so never mind that.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Look, at Glastonbury 2003 I had to fucking stand for about an hour watching those tedious twats, having the most fucking miserable time of my life waiting to discover that all my friends were thinking exactly the same thing and that we could go somewhere else and actually enjoy ourselves. We did and it was great. How can the best fucking album of the decade come from the same band that put us through that? Jesus Christ, I hate Radiohead.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba smells like poo.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

_Is This it_ wasn't nominated because _It Is Shit_.
(I SLAY ME)

-- VengaDan Perry (djperr...), August 27th, 2004.

hahawhatever but anyway a lot of people here and everywhere like it a lot. so i'm surprised it wasn't even an option. as with "stankonia."

so no outkast albums in the top 100 then?

― amateur!!st, Friday, 27 August 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

(I would not be so down on _Discovery_ if I didn't think that "Music Sounds Better Than You" encapsulates the vibe of the album in one song.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

(er, "Than" = "With" DAMN YOU ID)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the beauty of the nomination process I think, it reminds me of when big teams don't qualify for the World Cup, it allows plucky minnows their chance to shine (step forward, uh, LCD Soundsystem)

xpost "Music Sounds Better Than You" is a great lost title for someone.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

no - everyone had a chance to nominate something and somehow noone got around to nominating any strokes or outkast albums. and the thing is i'm pretty sure both would've gotten the highest ranking of their genre.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

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