Daft Punk - Human After All

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Wait, so what did Basement Jaxx say again?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't find the interview.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

But please, I beg of you, no more Dalek flatulence

Boo hiss, I love ‘Human After All’ and ‘Absence’ but have to agree there are parallels between them (ones I like) such as the use noise, the abrasiveness, and the rock dynamics (Dälek’s ‘Ever Somber’ sounds like a hip-hop MBV).

“Human After All” is just fantastic. Its been a long time since I’ve been this smitten with a new album.

stevo (stevo), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It's very annoying when people read semantics into something you've written that you don't intend. Calling Daft Punk "religion music" is not meant to say it's bad as much as it is to say that it generates an ineffable profound connection for the listener who buys in that listeners who don't buy in can't even begin to fathom (see, for example, me with The Cure). Not every fucking mention of religion is a slam, particularly not when they come from someone who works part-time in a church and frequently calls out people on this forum for theological prejudice.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

People? I'm here Dan.

Sorry to maybe read too much into what you were saying, but it's a pretty loaded term. It's also probably true.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the rather unkind words that Basement Jaxx had regarding Discovery's lack of dance focus

Mmm, I remember hatboy saying in De:Bug that Discovery was "like intellectual music." "Well, yeah compared to Shitty," I thought. Never really trusted the Jaxx after that.

(glad to see that Stevo likes it, a reassuring sign.)

I really like Dan comments re. those Christian songs.

Omar (Omar), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

well, since you bring the Cure up, Dan, just to get you to understand how I feel about all of this, imagine the Cure waiting five years to release a new album, and then when you finally hear it, you realize that the album is basically just 30 minutes of sampled instrumentals of Limp Bizkit and Korn with Robert Smith buried somewhere in there, with maybe a slight essence of Cure melody, sound, etc. seaping through.

(Not to denigrate Limp Bizkit or Korn. I'm just trying to come up with an example of what would sound like Robert Smith just deciding to toss off an album in the studio for three days.)

donut christ (donut), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost:
Sorry again Dan. I guess I'm just predisposed to reading a description of someone's taste as "religious" to being a dismissal along the lines of, "you don't really like x, you just like it in a religous way" i.e. with a zeal or fervor based on nothing but faith or worse, based on nothing but the community or iconography around x. I'm also annoyed by theological prejudice, and maybe that's what I incorrectly thought was implicit in your use of the term.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

with Robert Smith buried somewhere in there, with maybe a slight essence of Cure melody, sound, etc. seaping through

to be fair, big stretches of this album sound like the soundtrack work bangalter's done recently and the ultra-repetetive tracks shouldn't be a surprise if you've been following bangalter's work with dj falcon or guy-manuel's work on the crydamoure label.

after being surprised at how much this album sounded like their solo work i've switched to being surprised at the break that "discovery" made with their solo work. the hardest loopy bangalter tracks on roule were before "discovery".

also thx for following me on ratatat.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i realize that's not really a very stirring defense in favour of "human after all". more like: "well, they tossed off an album, who knows why, maybe they were bored, maybe they didn't want to hassle with the profundity of something like "discovery", and surprise surprise it ends up sounding like the obscure specialist shit they quietly churn out in the background that nobody cares about..."

i wonder if i am the only person who liked the two crydamoure compilations better than either "discovery" or "homework".

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha DC, you remember that there are perhaps 6 songs out there with Robert Smith singing on them that I would rank lower than 8 out of 10, right? I don't think "imagine if Robert Smith put out a bad album" is a sentence that can possibly scan in my brain.

I read your reaction as the same reaction I had to Cranes going from _Beloved_ to _Population 4_.

xpost: I was just taken aback that someone would level that reading of the word "religious" at me! Sorry for getting kind of shrill. A stronger form of the concept came up on the eternal DMB thread in the form of "drink the Koolaid" bands, ie groups with whom you have become so infatuated that you cannot find fault with almost anything they do. I don't see that as an inherently negative description largely because I view all of my favorites that way.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yow! Those last two statements are almost a perfect description of my view -- I say almost because there are things that sometimes don't quite connect (example I rediscovered recently -- Rocket from the Crypt's RFTC, which a couple of good moments aside doesn't have the same full careening power of the band at its best). But generally if a band nails it for me, THEY NAIL IT.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

'emotion' sounds like the perfect song I'd like a DJ to play right at the end of the night, just after you've hit your peak, when you're thinking about going home, this long, drawn out anthemic stomp would be kinda perfect.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 January 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I played HAA six times the day it leaked, pretty much (with a small break in the middle) each one after the other. I like that it is abrasive, cold, mechanical, etc. - it is certainly a direction that will confound fans of Discovery's warmth and humanism, but I do like the sort of fetishism with machines that this seems to embrace. People's reactions are very, very colored by expectations right now, I think; over time, maybe that will fall away? I hope so, because I think it's a great record, and I think Ned is very OTM about the advantage in its short length. I think it's a great album that seems almost hypnotically abrasive, and while I'm taking a break from it today - I've burned myself on it rather quickly, I think - I can't really imagine getting sick of it. To me, the craft is still clearly there, it's just gone in another direction. The structures/trackiness of the first album with the textures and timbres of an entirely new approach.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder if i am the only person who liked the two crydamoure compilations better than either "discovery" or "homework".

I liked the first Crydamoure comp (didn't even know there was a second one till now) more than Homework, but probably not more than Discovery. I'll have to give them both a listen again.

Lingbertt, Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm looking forward to the CD so I can really feel all those square waves and vomiting frogs! Really!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha stevo, I didn't mean Dalek the band, I meant Dalek the Dr. Who-exterminating robot that can't climb stairs, and the theoretical noise of their gastrointestinal distress.

Donut: I really, really dislike Sea Change. So yeah. The comparison sprung from the fact that both artists' previous records were hooky, campy ridiculous fun to the point of absurdity, with follow-ups that, despite the occasional "pretty" moments and about two decent songs, was all gothy as fuck (albeit the polar-opposite Nick Drake sensitive-poet/Trent Reznor animal-fucker ends, respectively).

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

for a couple of guys who shouted-out hyperactive, mike dearborn, jeff mills, dave clake, etc etc on their first album, there is precious little on this album for any of that crew to use. :(

tylero (tylero), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

was all gothy as fuck

Which is why it doesn't surprise me that Dan likes Human After All better.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

But are Venga Boys goth?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Nate, I'm not quite sure about the Nick Drake/goth thing, but I understand why you made the analogy now.. I think.

donut christ (donut), Friday, 28 January 2005 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Calling Daft Punk "religion music" is not meant to say it's bad as much as it is to say that it generates an ineffable profound connection for the listener who buys in that listeners who don't buy in can't even begin to fathom

I'm starting to beleive this, particularly the aspect that if you don't have the connection, you can't get it by someone explaining it to you. Most of the reviews here (even the lukewarm ones!) make it sound like my favourite album ever, but they don't sound like the album I've heard.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 January 2005 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

cozen, never dj please.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 28 January 2005 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

are there any yousendit links of the album on the go? it's for a friend!

jed_ (jed), Friday, 28 January 2005 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Man I just read Jess' recent blog entry...he really hates it. And Matos doesn't sound too enthused either.

I'm giving myself a few days before listening again...I can't imagine that i will have grown to hate it so much when out of the gate I couldn't stop listening to it.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 28 January 2005 07:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, so what did Basement Jaxx say again?

"What kind of questions is 'One More Time' raising? Like, "why bother"?" *Further comments involving laziness and boredom* (It's from THE FACE in summer 2001)

ken c (ken c), Friday, 28 January 2005 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i hated on 'One More Time' a fair bit at first too

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 28 January 2005 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Felix does tend to talk balls about music, tho'.

Barima @ ken c's (ken c), Friday, 28 January 2005 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

TS - Daft Punk wrongfooting people and throwing off a lot of the people who loved their last album and didn't 'get' the first one vs Chemical Brothers making exactly the album everyone in the world expected them to.

I mean, there are bits on the Chems album I like but the entire thing is SO FUCKING PREDICTABLE. Indie guest vocalist? Check. Dreamy folky thing? Check. Old-skool rapper? Check. Psychedelic stylings? Check. There's nothing on that album to even suggest the Chemical Brothers had even the slightest flash of inspiration while recording the whole thing.

I can understand liking Discovery and disliking the new one, but at least it doesn't sound like an act going through the motions, which Push The Button certainly does.

I prefer both Crydamoure albums to any DP album, but DP have higher highs.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 January 2005 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

From Jess's blog entry: Is it just me or is nearly every track here analogous to another, better track by a lesser known producer from the last few years ("Rocker", "Monstertruckdriver", Vitalic, even stuff on their own labels)

This is true, I think, and is possibly what's making this an easy record for me to like but a difficult one to love.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 28 January 2005 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i think maybe we just need to get used to the idea that it was recorded in SIX WEEKS. how many albums are recorded in SIX WEEKS? and regardless of how true this is, it sounds like it. I've spent most of the thread bitching about how I wish they'd spent more time on it but I can also appreciate the appeal of just whacking something out like this. I hope they're being honest about it. And again I hope it means there will be something else soon.

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 28 January 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

how many albums are recorded in SIX WEEKS?

That Eden's Crush album! Oh, and O-Town's first album, too.

(I'm not helping, am I?)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 January 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

The Chems never had an old-school rapper on a proper artist album before to be fair (teh 2 Grandmasters didn't exactly rap over 'Elektrobank').

Captain GRRRios' Giggletits (Barima), Friday, 28 January 2005 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Liquid dreams, babycakes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

downgraded to "***1/2"

vahid (vahid), Friday, 28 January 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

And again I hope it means there will be something else soon.

I think that's key. I wouldn't mind so much if it hadn't been a four-year wait.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(Actually, that's slightly disingenuous of me, since I only got into Daft Punk like six months ago, haha, but you get me, right?)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

how many albums are recorded in SIX WEEKS?

Sandinista!, I think.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Friday, 28 January 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Belle & Sebastian's debut Tigermilk was supposedly recorded in three days. This may have been one of the lies they put out in the early days, but it's probably not that that far off the mark.

In the 60s of course, all albums were recorded in four hours.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 28 January 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Do we know how long they took to record Discovery? I know in an interview, Just Blaze said that some of his best beats were recorded in an hour; it doesn't have to have been difficult to make to be good, etc.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 28 January 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not a very good album, just cos it's moodds don't really take you wanyway. It's neither funky or interesting. Every track has an idea, an OK one, and that's it.

On a different note, Ned, I'm envious that you got a MIA ticket. I tried to get one for the Knitting Facotry (NY), but sold out. I'm always too slow. But anyway, MIA is exciting, Daft Punk are not (how's that for a pointless comparison?)

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

But they could both be exciting! Etc. etc. I have a ticket but I still don't know if I can fully swing it (getting up to the show is not a worry, getting back might be!). I intend to work something out by hook or by crook, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(getting up to the show is not a worry, getting back might be!).

Are you afraid Mark will dump you in an alley somewhere?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there a special trick to swinging a ticket that I don't know about?

The Ghost of An Immature Juvenile (Dan Perry), Friday, 28 January 2005 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it true that Virgin considered cancelling the release after it leaked so early and got so many bad early reviews?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

where'd you hear that?

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 29 January 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

s1ocki's post was 909.

it's tricky (disco stu), Sunday, 30 January 2005 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, The New Real Daft Punk Album, coming in November 2005.

donut christ (donut), Sunday, 30 January 2005 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't know anything about this

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 30 January 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks jed!

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Sunday, 30 January 2005 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)


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