RÓISÍN MURPHY

I honestly believe that even if all this had not transpired I'd rank her solo output thusly:

Overpowered > Ruby Blue > Róisín Machine > Mi Senti > Take Her Up to Monto > Hairless Toys > Hit Parade

I was never going to buy it because I don't want that album cover in my house, but fortunately it sucks so I'm not missing out.

kapranos just seems to be agreeing with 'cancel culture bad' without really caring about the details - he replied favourably to someone complaining about linehan so he seems to just be doing a naive 'we should all be nicer to each other' thing

oh, so he's just dumb rather than malicious, neat

lol yeah I saw someone describe Alice Cooper as a TERF and thought well not exactly

I interviewed him a bunch of years ago and he was explaining how he was a republican but not a Trump republican, and then said about raising his kids, "My daughter's cool, she hasn't had a bunch of fucking abortions or anything", which was hells of gross.

Also interpreted it as a cancel culture thing. Wonder why

I'm guessing that many of these people are TE without being RFs.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)

"TERF" as far as i can tell is kind of a thing where language evolves. people like janice raymond and michfest, that's the sort of thing i associate with trans-exclusionary radical feminism. you don't really see a lot of that stuff these days. not really sure where the term comes from etymologically tbh! when you do see transphobia intersecting with feminism it's liberal feminism along the lines of j.k. rowling. your old-school terfs tend to come from more of a "feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice" school. i'm honestly broadly sympathetic to the notion of political lesbianism, but it doesn't hold up, and it led to some pretty nasty gender-essentialist side effects (i'm not talking about trans stuff here, more along the lines of some radical feminists actually saying things like cw sexual assault only men rape which uhhhh it's not terribly hard to see who benefits from _that_ one).

anyway in theoretical and academic terms that sort of ideology is not really intellectually defensible and i don't see that there seems to be much room for it in queer theory. the problem is that it's basically impossible to formulate a coherent and consistent definition of... and this is the way the question is generally framed... "woman" that doesn't fundamentally reduce womanhood to women's reproductive capacity, and this is being increasingly openly recognized by "gender critical" folks...

i am more and more leaning towards "gender critical" as a descriptor of transphobes... in general i am sympathetic towards endonyms. i don't know if it's intended to a propagandistic or apologetic endonym, i don't know _what_ it's supposed to mean, honestly, nor do i know what people mean when they denounce "gender ideology". does this shit fly with cishets? if you say "gender ideology" to them does that, like, make them unfavorably disposed towards trans rights folks?

anyway, any definition of "woman" that focuses solely on women's reproductive capacity is, uh, hard to reconcile with queer liberation, as well as tending to foreground the central point that trans rights are, at root, a fight for bodily autonomy... it's hard to call any ideological movement that doesn't fight for bodily autonomy "feminist" in any sense of the word imo.

I am morbidly curious to see who would work with her on her next album

@roisinmurphy when we doing a duet ?

— BABYBIRD (@babybirdrip) September 12, 2023

looking through his twitter feed, he does not seem to be a very happy man

pic.twitter.com/KDW4Hpiq4X

— BABYBIRD (@babybirdrip) September 2, 2023

I would have thought writing one of the worst songs of all time might have held him back.

Placebo the european emo

re: origins of TERF I'm pretty sure it was coined in the comments on one of those late 00s feminist blogs (possibly feministing) at that time referring to an online fringe who were much more along the lines of classic terfism than liberal transphobes like murphy are. it got picked up by tumblr and the terf faction there really took offence to it which just made it more powerful. by the time liberal celebrities and politicians decided trans people needed to die sooner there was a readymade term to throw at them and even though it doesn't really fit in most cases it works well enough for now and it seems to bother them a lot which is cool

oh Babybird mate

Yes, I am sure that's it, you spent too much time concentrating on the music.

Roisin and Babybird - disMayed In Sheffield

I don’t know what a babybird sounds like but I’m fine.

Yes, I am sure that's it, you spent too much time concentrating on the music.

tbf he did release 11 albums in his first five years as a recording artist

i am like him in that whenever i am developing a theory of modern fame and creative success, the example that immediately stands out as the one my theory must explain is placebo.

well, uh, so much for Pitchfork ignoring it. haven't read it in detail yet, but seems like the address the controversy and still give it a pretty high score. guess they think the BNM snub is enough?

They gave her the 8.2999999999999999999

gotta get those clicks

i mean, helluva shift here:

Despite her saying that her “true calling is music, and music will never exclude any of us,” her comments feel like a contradiction to the spirit of her best work. The truth is that Hit Parade is the best record of Murphy’s career; it also feels like the definition of a qualified triumph. It is both musically vast and hemmed in by its circumstances, a showcase of everything impressive about the musician sapped of the excitement that has historically made her work feel so vital.

just because it's not my field, what's the timeframe between an album review submission to publication these days?

The truth is that Hit Parade is the best record of Murphy’s career;

I...uh...nope

yeah it's weird to see that repeatedly asserted by reviews because it definitely isn't. the possibility seemed open based on the pre-release singles but nope!

Ah, the lesser-spotted European emo

(bit late, but that destroyed me upthread)

Thanks Pitchfork - “The truth is that Hit Parade is the best record of Murphy’s career” https://t.co/PPWzM7kB9l pic.twitter.com/UStgcrBv5O

— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) September 13, 2023

petty much

Welp I take back pitchfork doing the smart choice.

Huh. I assumed that if p4k reviewed it, it'd at least be more pointed about the transphobia, closer to Laura Snape's Guardian review. Still think that not reviewing it at all would've been a better move.

then again, ignoring RM's album means ignoring the effort of DJ Koze, who by all accounts seems like a real dude

The Pitchfork review read very New Yorker-ish to me. Here are some things that happened around the release of this album.

The twitter inability to accept that someone in 2023 may have a different opinion on a new album from a different person on a different album in 2005

Except that it's RM herself dishing it out

(And yes, subeditors altering the scores and what not)

man the Twitter comments surrounding this are dire. enjoy your new fanbase Roisin

yeah, it's depressing. congrats on the new "fans" who will absolutely forget you in three weeks when they've moved on to the next thing to be outraged over.

Also I’m not sure how scores on pitchfork are picked (writer + editor decide iirc?) but different writers guve different scores.

Score would have probably been higher without the current controversy I assume.

I still think controversy removed this is overrating it, and it most definitely isn’t her best album.

We have some input in the score, yeah.

Ain't no such thing as free speech
(I didn't want to be the one to tell you)
Maybe we're just all blowing in the wind
(I didn't want to be the one to tell you)

yeah, it's depressing. congrats on the new "fans" who will absolutely forget you in three weeks when they've moved on to the next thing to be outraged over.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, September 13, 2023 10:15 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

come crawling back to trad folk from Donegal in no time

this really has been depressing and it has upset me more than most "random celebrity I only have a passing interest in says bigoted thing" piece of news

it'll be more telling if that album ends up in their staff EotY list

my theory is p4k fucked up by not giving roisin machine (which is obviously better) a higher score or bnm and so had to overcompensate by overrating this one (same thing they’ve done with the 1975 after panning “I like it when you sleep” or the-dream after ignoring love vs money and love/hate) and they had it as like a 9.5 BNM until the trans stuff came out then compromised

fuck you pitchfork

where’s the retrospective credit thread

lol @ the whole idea of lowering the score being the right move

"we were going to give this Lostprophets record a 6.2 but considering... events, we really have no choice but to give it a 5.3 instead"

p4k fucked this one up _extremely badly_. prior to this, i didn't have any reason to think that they didn't support trans people. now i do.

You probably could have guessed that when they said Ginger Spice looked like a t-word

You probably could have guessed that when they said Ginger Spice looked like a t-word

― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten)

sure, if i'd been reading pitchfork enough to be aware of that. when was that? i mean everybody _used_ to be transphobic.

christ she's playing the toilet circuit now:

I GOT A VENUE FOR TOMORROW NIGHT! Another stripped back and very intimate show. It’s my pleasure to do these shows. The ones in Leeds and Kingston were a revelation to me, revealing more about the songs and a different aspect to my performance🖤 https://t.co/LFEWq9AQdE pic.twitter.com/NkdxohCio4

— Róisín Murphy (@roisinmurphy) September 13, 2023