RÓISÍN MURPHY

Think we need a 77 Terfwatch thread

Done.

Hey, name me one band you always assumed were pricks despite never hearing a note of their music? Btw, Roisin Murphy was apparently the special guest at Fat White Family's gig in Brixton last night

lol fat white family's twitter likes are filled with faux-left reactionaries like nina power so that checks out lol

Fat White Family do have a previous connection: the guitarist and singer have an extensive Dean Honer collab, and in 2019 Parrot remixed and Roisin directed a video for them

her new fans have actually come through for her:

Albums Chart Update: Roisin Murphy's Hit Parade hits the Top 3 midweek https://t.co/UAfPvP4qtD pic.twitter.com/JbuEF5JVYx

— Official Charts (@officialcharts) September 11, 2023

her new fans:

Bought it!
My usual choice of music is trad folk from Donegal, but, well.... why not try something new?

— Theo Hopkins (@TheoHopkins4321) September 11, 2023

Most amusing seeing TERFs saying they’ve ‘just downloaded it on Spofity’ and such like.

I am morbidly curious to see who would work with her on her next album

It will be a collab with J.K. Rowling.

It's not exactly difficult to get albums in the UK Top 10, Morrissey does it all the time only for the album to plummet out the next week, we'll see how it goes for her album. I imagine it'll still sell reasonably well tbh.

"My usual choice of music is trad folk from Donegal." LOL

What a pretentious twat.

These are the people you traded your loyal fans for, Roisin?

would be great if, after the terfs all fork out their money, ninja tune announce they are going to donate the proceeds to mermaids after all

you should check his profile description xp

I'm guessing Pitchfork is not going to review this, which is probably the best decision.

That Morrissey album going in at 3 and falling from the top 100 the following week was classic. Not even somewhat more niche acts like the Divine Comedy or Deacon Blue have plummets like that (I guess they have the Radio 2 support to thank for that).

I'm guessing Pitchfork is not going to review this, which is probably the best decision.

― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, September 11, 2023 1:06 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I was just thinking this. Given that Murphy was the subject of a rare profile by the site a few months ago (one of only four that it's published in 2023) and that Pitchfork ranked her last album in its year-end top 20, one might have expected a review soon after its release. Roisin Machine and Take Her Up to Monto were both reviewed the Monday after their Friday release, so the lack of a Hit Parade review today seems conspicuous.

Weirdly the thought of P4k not reviewing it was one of the first things that originally came to mind re:how this would diminish Murphy's profile. They did the same to Swans this year but not last time round, where a review of the 2019 album was quietly snuck out three weeks post-release.

They did not include RM in Friday's 10 Albums You Need to Hear Right Now list.

There's a good chance it won't be top five by Friday when the chart position is announced. Cult-ish artists often do well in the midweek chart, post about it on their social media as though it's the actual chart, and end up a good few rungs lower.

Anything that means I don't have to look at that cover again

1 Album You Don't Need to Hear Right Now

It really is a hideous sleeve.

I don't have any real issues with the image, but that font irritates me.

image seems appropriate for someone who turned out to be a fucking clown

"My usual choice of music is trad folk from Donegal." LOL

What a pretentious twat.

These are the people you traded your loyal fans for, Roisin?

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)

they probably still can't get over the heartbreak of having to throw out all their lou killen records

I've noticed a lot of music writers and dance music artists sticking up for her lately

and not just the usual julie burch1ll types

Who?

I am morbidly curious to see who would work with her on her next album

Alex Kapranos

is he a TERF?

he RT'd Paphides' tweet in support of Murphy

https://x.com/alkapranos/status/1698378767247298878?s=20

Trans ERFinand

Ew, I was just enjoying that FFS record the other day.

I'm guessing that many of these people are TE without being RFs.

lol yeah I saw someone describe Alice Cooper as a TERF and thought well not exactly

Only women bleed though

I think pitchfork did the right choice by not acknowledging the existence of the album. Reviewing it is playing a game where you have to choose to separate the art from the artist, the album per se is not bad - it’s probably a 7ish? - so you end up promoting it and somewhat rewarding her.

momentarily confused Alex Kapranos with Alex Karpovsky of Girls fame

I honestly believe that even if all this had not transpired I'd rank her solo output thusly:

Overpowered > Ruby Blue > Róisín Machine > Mi Senti > Take Her Up to Monto > Hairless Toys > Hit Parade

I was never going to buy it because I don't want that album cover in my house, but fortunately it sucks so I'm not missing out.

kapranos just seems to be agreeing with 'cancel culture bad' without really caring about the details - he replied favourably to someone complaining about linehan so he seems to just be doing a naive 'we should all be nicer to each other' thing

oh, so he's just dumb rather than malicious, neat

lol yeah I saw someone describe Alice Cooper as a TERF and thought well not exactly

I interviewed him a bunch of years ago and he was explaining how he was a republican but not a Trump republican, and then said about raising his kids, "My daughter's cool, she hasn't had a bunch of fucking abortions or anything", which was hells of gross.

Also interpreted it as a cancel culture thing. Wonder why

I'm guessing that many of these people are TE without being RFs.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)

"TERF" as far as i can tell is kind of a thing where language evolves. people like janice raymond and michfest, that's the sort of thing i associate with trans-exclusionary radical feminism. you don't really see a lot of that stuff these days. not really sure where the term comes from etymologically tbh! when you do see transphobia intersecting with feminism it's liberal feminism along the lines of j.k. rowling. your old-school terfs tend to come from more of a "feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice" school. i'm honestly broadly sympathetic to the notion of political lesbianism, but it doesn't hold up, and it led to some pretty nasty gender-essentialist side effects (i'm not talking about trans stuff here, more along the lines of some radical feminists actually saying things like cw sexual assault only men rape which uhhhh it's not terribly hard to see who benefits from _that_ one).

anyway in theoretical and academic terms that sort of ideology is not really intellectually defensible and i don't see that there seems to be much room for it in queer theory. the problem is that it's basically impossible to formulate a coherent and consistent definition of... and this is the way the question is generally framed... "woman" that doesn't fundamentally reduce womanhood to women's reproductive capacity, and this is being increasingly openly recognized by "gender critical" folks...

i am more and more leaning towards "gender critical" as a descriptor of transphobes... in general i am sympathetic towards endonyms. i don't know if it's intended to a propagandistic or apologetic endonym, i don't know _what_ it's supposed to mean, honestly, nor do i know what people mean when they denounce "gender ideology". does this shit fly with cishets? if you say "gender ideology" to them does that, like, make them unfavorably disposed towards trans rights folks?

anyway, any definition of "woman" that focuses solely on women's reproductive capacity is, uh, hard to reconcile with queer liberation, as well as tending to foreground the central point that trans rights are, at root, a fight for bodily autonomy... it's hard to call any ideological movement that doesn't fight for bodily autonomy "feminist" in any sense of the word imo.

I am morbidly curious to see who would work with her on her next album

@roisinmurphy when we doing a duet ?

— BABYBIRD (@babybirdrip) September 12, 2023

looking through his twitter feed, he does not seem to be a very happy man

pic.twitter.com/KDW4Hpiq4X

— BABYBIRD (@babybirdrip) September 2, 2023

I would have thought writing one of the worst songs of all time might have held him back.

Placebo the european emo

re: origins of TERF I'm pretty sure it was coined in the comments on one of those late 00s feminist blogs (possibly feministing) at that time referring to an online fringe who were much more along the lines of classic terfism than liberal transphobes like murphy are. it got picked up by tumblr and the terf faction there really took offence to it which just made it more powerful. by the time liberal celebrities and politicians decided trans people needed to die sooner there was a readymade term to throw at them and even though it doesn't really fit in most cases it works well enough for now and it seems to bother them a lot which is cool