Favourite Van Der Graaf Generator Album?

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isn't prog rock just... asexual?

ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 7 August 2009 06:15 (sixteen years ago)

A lot of it, lyrically, is less invested in sex and desire than some genres of rock and pop but hey you could say the same about electro or black metal or a bunch of other things. I'm not digging at anybody on this thread because the original comment was so bizarre, but it was just some shite spouted by some twat on Youtube and as such doesn't merit thinking about with any seriousness at all.

Noodle (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 August 2009 06:23 (sixteen years ago)

Are we allowed to imagine a world in which all prog musicians are gay? What would that look like?

Nate Carson, Friday, 7 August 2009 09:29 (sixteen years ago)

pretty much the same, but the embarassing album covers would have naked space dudes on them.

ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 7 August 2009 11:23 (sixteen years ago)

Like this?

http://www.connollyco.com/discography/rush/hemispheres_hi.jpg

Nate Carson, Friday, 7 August 2009 19:33 (sixteen years ago)

that belongs on the naked prog thread

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 8 August 2009 12:29 (sixteen years ago)

did lots of Rush fans wear that tshirt?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 8 August 2009 23:02 (sixteen years ago)

I bet KJB does.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 9 August 2009 02:28 (sixteen years ago)

He does indeed.

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 9 August 2009 02:29 (sixteen years ago)

Thought you would.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 9 August 2009 11:48 (sixteen years ago)

IIRC the "gay" member of IQ was supposedly Tim Esau, the orig bass player, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't actually true. Not that it matters one iota.

If any of the 1st wavers were actually gay, I imagine they'd have kept their traps shut abt it, I mean it was the seventies, wasn't it.

The "asexual" thing is a total red herring, I know for a fact that members of King Crimson got mad action when they toured the st8s, if members of Pink Floyd, Yes etc didn't as well, well I mean really, come on, you know. That was one of the annoying things about that BBC doco, that they played up the asexual/dorky side of it, when a bunch of these guys, when they were young (esp Gabriel, Wakeman) were great-looking dudes.

f1f0 (Pashmina), Sunday, 9 August 2009 12:41 (sixteen years ago)

Actually, on top of that, I remember seeing Hammill in Leeds in the late 80's, and there was a coteire of hippie girls in brightly-coloured home-knit jumpers, who were up at the front, doting over the guy, and that's when he was middle-aged!

f1f0 (Pashmina), Sunday, 9 August 2009 12:44 (sixteen years ago)

Hammill's always been a v. good looking guy, true.

AND I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS HATE ME NOW (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 August 2009 14:08 (sixteen years ago)

So that's who you modelled yourself on back in the 80s? ;)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 9 August 2009 14:58 (sixteen years ago)

The "asexual" thing is a total red herring, I know for a fact that members of King Crimson got mad action when they toured the st8s, if members of Pink Floyd, Yes etc didn't as well, well I mean really, come on, you know. That was one of the annoying things about that BBC doco, that they played up the asexual/dorky side of it, when a bunch of these guys, when they were young (esp Gabriel, Wakeman) were great-looking dudes.

i wasn't really referring to their action, more the vibe of the music. which is generally - GENERALLY - not about screwing. or dancing.

ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 9 August 2009 15:00 (sixteen years ago)

I finally voted He to He. It's a tough poll because so many of these albums are so good.

Nate Carson, Monday, 10 August 2009 08:46 (sixteen years ago)

Indeed. I do wonder how the albums from the last few years will do however.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 10 August 2009 13:11 (sixteen years ago)

or indeed the 1st album. 0 for them all maybe?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 10 August 2009 13:11 (sixteen years ago)

i really, really like the first record. but i really like that early prog period generally. but i can't imagine anyone thinking its their best.

ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 10 August 2009 13:17 (sixteen years ago)

currently listening to 'the least we can do' and it's pretty good

cockles (country matters), Monday, 10 August 2009 13:27 (sixteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 10 August 2009 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

vote!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 13:34 (sixteen years ago)

Now!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 21:02 (sixteen years ago)

Please?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 22:53 (sixteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:01 (sixteen years ago)

wau @ turnout even if 15 of them were pfunkboy socks ;)

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:02 (sixteen years ago)

only 15? at your last count I supposedly had 300 to your 12

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:08 (sixteen years ago)

I voted Still Life fwiw

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:11 (sixteen years ago)

anyway the most important vote was Geirs. What did he vote for?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:12 (sixteen years ago)

worth doing a hammill poll or shall we just declare Nadir's Big Chance the winner now and be done with it?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:13 (sixteen years ago)

not to distract, but seems as good a place as any given content above...
somewhere online (that I haven't been able to find again) I read a review of Yes - Going For the One, which stated (erroneously?) that U.S. audience/fans deserted en masse and didn't buy as many of the album, cos there was a rumour at the time that Yes were gay:
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/yes/11-1.jpg

considering Rush seemed to have joined in the following year, the implications are funny, especially when you consider the likes of Peter 'Sleazy' Christopherson and his UK art gang may have subversively manipulated prog visual trends (see rumours about cover of U.F.O. - Force It for additional reference).

nice to see Godbluff at #1, Still Life way too low.

Paul, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:17 (sixteen years ago)

I was thinking about GFTO during the naked female form thread. Maintain it should have just been 'naked form'.

cockles (country matters), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 23:20 (sixteen years ago)

well it hasnt stopped males on covers being posted. so post away on it

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 01:31 (sixteen years ago)

Great turnout! Especially considering how often I play VDGG for folks who've never even heard OF them.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 02:03 (sixteen years ago)

well you are a dj ;)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 12 August 2009 11:05 (sixteen years ago)

worth doing a hammill poll or shall we just declare Nadir's Big Chance the winner now and be done with it?

I wouldn't say it was a certain winner, some of it's not very good

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 12:38 (sixteen years ago)

half the shite we vote on here isnt very good but it still wins!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 August 2009 13:03 (sixteen years ago)

This is true

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 13:06 (sixteen years ago)

when you consider the likes of Peter 'Sleazy' Christopherson and his UK art gang may have subversively manipulated prog visual trends (see rumours about cover of U.F.O. - Force It for additional reference).

If you mean that Genesis P-Orridge and Cosey Fanni Tutti are on the cover, then that's no rumour, it's true

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 13:47 (sixteen years ago)

I wouldn't say it was a certain winner, some of it's not very good

yeah, i'd vote for ph7 or the future now before NBC.

ETERNAL WAR AGAINST THE DICKS IS ALL WE CAN RESPECT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:01 (sixteen years ago)

then that's no rumour, it's true

actually, one rumour has it as Pete and Genny!

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:06 (sixteen years ago)

not Hammill, that is - here:
http://www.paranaiv.no/files/images/ufo_force_it75.jpg

VDDG poll's getting Gristlized - VDDG would approve!

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:09 (sixteen years ago)

actually, one rumour has it as Pete and Genny!

Pete never had long hair. Unless it's a wig.

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:10 (sixteen years ago)

(x-post)
though the post-punk/industrial(-folk) band that reminds me of VDDG = Eyeless In Gaza

why? Martyn Bates' OTT vocals, strange lyrics - e.g. the Hammill-worthy: "bite lips to blood in realisation, senses register cacophony"
plus the stark instrumentation, use of organ (lack of fear to write mental/sentimental love songs, Englishness, etc)

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:14 (sixteen years ago)

oops VDDG = VDGG

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:15 (sixteen years ago)

(agreed the dude on the left looks more like Genesis)

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:16 (sixteen years ago)

I'd recognise that arse anywhere

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:17 (sixteen years ago)

cheeky implants now? (sounds like a line from twatter)

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:19 (sixteen years ago)

twatter

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:21 (sixteen years ago)

did we do a Van Der Graaf epics poll? (couldn't find on search)

Paul, Thursday, 13 August 2009 14:24 (sixteen years ago)


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