RÓISÍN MURPHY

Was reading that Ariel Pink "apology" which also had a defense from his girlfriend at the time. Then discovered she has accused him of emotionally, physically and sexually abusing her. Go figure.

#istandwithroisinmurphy trending on twitter in the UK atm with all the worst people chipping in. Suzanne Moore calling the entire music industry cowards for not speaking up to defend her, which is correct in one regard - i havent seen a single musician taking her side, discounting a handful of nobody chancers trying to flog their own music to seething terfs. Spiked have published an article entitled, in all seriousness, "The never-ending persecution of Róisín Murphy". For libertarians they seem to be adopting quite a moralistic stance against her label choosing to do exactly what they wish. Many calls for a boycott of Ninja Tune from people who hadnt heard of Roisin Murphy until yesterday, i'm sure that The Bug is in a crisis meeting with Barry Can't Swim even as we speak. Everyone having a meltdown that the Rough Trade appearances have been cancelled, even though I'd imagine Murphy is probably too traumatised right now to want to do a fucking meet and greet with these wonderful new fans she's gained (I do feel a little bit sorry for her tbh, I know that's probably wrong of me). The rest of the world seems to have moved on

Hasn't the never-ending persecution only bein going on for about a week and a half

And it's a weird sort of persecution where generally people can't wait to leave her alone forever

(I do feel a little bit sorry for her tbh, I know that's probably wrong of me). The rest of the world seems to have moved on

― NickB

if it helps any _i_ keep finding myself feeling sorry for her, before catching hold of myself and going "ok, wait, hold on a sec..."

murphy has absolutely betrayed all of her non-awful fans, but the whole thing where she does something incredibly stupid that has everybody looking at her and then spends the next week and a half flailing about desperately, in the process somehow managing to make the disaster she completely unnecessarily created _worse_ until everybody she ever knew decides the only way to keep their sanity is to pretend she doesn't exist is, uh

oh no wait that's that bpd thing where i project my own traumatic life experiences onto the lives of people who have nothing at all to do with me and are fundamentally unlike me in every meaningful way, isn't it?

singles all amazing so far. shaping up as potential aoty contender
― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 18:13 bookmarkflaglink

welp GGs. I’ll never know

can we get an instrumental release? koze's involvement and production remains the main selling point for my interest in this record

in a way this is the best thing she could have done for her career, a nice interview with The Guardian Saturday supplement about her artistry would never have got her name trending on Twitter. Maybe next time she could make some statements denying the Holocaust and get an appearance on The One Show

She may well be the first prominent person to outright reject the Terf love-bombing. That’d be.. something at least.

Fully anticipate there will be thousands of people to listen to her new album when it's eventually released, many without having realized about the online storm. This doesn't look like it has registered on everyone's radar / level of scrutiny and to be more than a couple weeks of damage control.

Her initial statement was preposterous. But it also sounds like silliness and the kind of dumb thing artists say when they fall in the trap of misinformation. And proud and unapologetic or not, more like a one-time offence than a proof of permanent evil or contre-nature political association. I respect people who are disappointed, outraged, ready to mark her as a black sheep, everyone is free to set the bar, but I disagree with the prophecy it's the end of her career. Hate to say that as a concluding point, but this kind of thing gets drowned in the noise of much worse being said out there.

It was not a one-time thing. Everyone knows exactly who Glinner is and what he stands for and how he conducts himself. She commented on a post complaining about his show being cancelled to repeat a load of terf tropes that you don’t just pick up by accident!

with a proper apology she'd have probably been able to get away with it for the most part (though a whole lot of her fanbase still wouldn't really trust her), but it was very much not a proper apology. idk that this will kill her career but it will heavily damage it in a way that a lot of other acts wouldn't have been, just because she's a rather niche artist with a very disproportionately queer fanbase.

now if she triples down and makes her next album about being a cancelled and silenced adult human female then that absolutely would kill her career, but i'd hope she's smarter than that. would be kind of absurdly funny but also rather sad to even approach going full glinner

Xp and her fanbase isn't the type to overlook this. It is completely at odds with who she is as an artist, the audience she's cultivated and the narrative myths of her own career. It isn't possible to listen to queer icon Roisin Murphy sing about love and freedom when she's demonstrated she has zero consideration for her queer audience and the terms of her love and freedom are conditional. Her career is going to go the same way as Morrissey.

My favourite part of Roisin Murphy's statement is the bit where she implies she can't be accused of hurting the LGBT community because she's never cynically tried to pocket from them or any demographic... pic.twitter.com/8QGWaQV189

— SHANE REACTION (@imshanereaction) August 29, 2023

now if she triples down and makes her next album about being a cancelled and silenced adult human female then that absolutely would kill her career

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n9bHi_3CFg

idk that this will kill her career but it will heavily damage it in a way that a lot of other acts wouldn't have been, just because she's a rather niche artist with a very disproportionately queer fanbase.

Well, she definitely won't be working with Ninja Tune again, and she seems destined now to journey around the industry begging for a soft landing every few years like Morrissey.

She’s never had to organise her own press or marketing because she’s always been on boutique majors or large indies with staff to do it all for her, and a manager to organise the stylists and collabs. If nobody will do those tasks for her, and nobody good wants to work with her, she’s going to have a tough time doing it herself.

Her initial statement was preposterous. But it also sounds like silliness and the kind of dumb thing artists say when they fall in the trap of misinformation. And proud and unapologetic or not, more like a one-time offence than a proof of permanent evil or contre-nature political association. I respect people who are disappointed, outraged, ready to mark her as a black sheep, everyone is free to set the bar, but I disagree with the prophecy it's the end of her career. Hate to say that as a concluding point, but this kind of thing gets drowned in the noise of much worse being said out there.

― Nabozo

i think that... your take on this might benefit from some additional consideration. i guess it's true that promoting bigotry is "misinformed" but from where i'm sitting it's difficult to dismiss as "silliness".

She may well be the first prominent person to outright reject the Terf love-bombing. That’d be.. something at least.

― piscesx

i mean i will say this for murphy. she certainly is _something_. i don't know how to read this. she's a transphobe but doesn't want to hang out with the other transphobes? she's an advocate for people's right to be bigots in the privacy of their own homes, just don't do it out in public where the children can see it?

if I had to guess the overtly right wing nature of the support is off-putting for a self-identified progressive (in the UK media echo chamber transphobia is not seen as right wing) - you see this kind of discomfort a lot in baby terfs - they usually get over any squeamishness about their new allies soon enough (and for many liberals transphobia becomes their excuse to adopt more right wing positions across the board) - so if she wants to keep her new fanbase (such as it is) she'd better double down soon unless she wants to be totally isolated

as for the other comment I hope nabozo is simply unaware of the context and not just concern trolling

of course it could simply be an economic calculation on her / her people's part - how much more gay money can she afford to lose right now? maybe she has access to new sources of money now but even then it's still a headache for whoever deals with her finances

i'm not sure that many of the online fascist community are actually going to buy her records even if she goes unrepentantly vocally trans hate so i'd say career considerations are almost all that's gone on so far

The pinned comment on her insta was a p definitive comment on where her head & heart are at, the quality of the pr statement was already kind of moot at that stage

sure and sure but there are other sources of funding if people decide your voice is important enough- she may not be seen as a reliable or important enough investment as far as US evangelical groups are concerned but who knows and I could see she who must not be named chucking her a spare ivory backscratcher or two

Yeah sorry wasn’t responding to recent posts just picking at an earlier thread

Kind of forgot about that pinned comment, that was probably actually the worst signifier of her stance, especially considering the source of it if I recall correctly is someone who is virulently anti-trans?

i guess the thing that i take away from this - and this has _fuck-all_ to do with murphy and everything to do with me, i don't know shit about murphy and don't know or care why she's behaving in such an incredibly awful way all of a sudden...

but her bullshit just makes me think about how every six months or so i alienate and/or betray the people who care about me most in the world by saying or doing shit that is incredibly cruel and hurtful to them and clearly, manifestly wrong, for basically no apparent reason at all. then, when i'm called on it, i try to "repair the damage" in ways that only serve to further cause anybody who held me in any sort of esteem to conclude, logically enough, that they can't possibly trust me anymore, that no matter how they feel about me continuing to associate with me won't help me and will only cause them further pain. that's just like normal for me, that's just me being on my bpd shit, no real significance to my behavior beyond that.

so to the extent anybody cares at all about what the hell murphy is thinking about all this - and i'd argue that nobody should, it makes no difference at all _why_ she's done this terrible stuff... that's my bullshit hot take.

Well all I'm saying is that when she says she's an artist first and not an activist, I believe her. She stepped out of line, said shit, decides to shut up, leaving no one happy. I am not that surprised that a queer / gay icon suddenly proves not to be well versed and knowledgeable about trans health and the thorny ramifications of online discourse. An icon is rarely an authority. I plead naivety and blunder, but that's just me and I'm not part of the queer community and I ask no one to conclude the same. As Kate says directly above though, it's easy to say shit even when you should have known.

Nah, bozo.

Nah, bozo.

Nah, bozo.

Lmao thanks zing, but my point stands (three times!)

I'm not part of the queer community

no shit

I am not that surprised that a queer / gay icon suddenly proves not to be well versed and knowledgeable about trans health

but this is the whole problem! this isn't some elderly shut-in whose never met a trans person (as far as the know) and gets all their "info" from right-wing media. if she was "naive" about trans health, maybe instead of memorizing some transphobe talking points and posting them in the vicinity of a notorious transphobe, she could have talked to one of the trans people she was adjacent to for years.

but she wasn't naive. your framing makes it sound like she said something almost accidentally transphobic -- she literally starts off begging to not be called a terf and asks people to stop using that word "against women." she knows exactly what discourse she's in. in her response statement she says "I knew my friends were informed about the topic," but which friends is she talking about here?

Also we have her former stylist, who is trans but worked with her before transition, saying she isn’t their idea of an ally (which is putting it mildly).

she doesn't have to be an authority but when you're an "icon", you can't plead ignorance and naivety either

give me a fucking break, bozo

I plead naivety and blunder, but that's just me and I'm not part of the queer community and I ask no one to conclude the same. As Kate says directly above though, it's easy to say shit even when you should have known.

― Nabozo

i think you might have been reading my previous statement wrong. when i say it doesn't matter why she's said the things she's said, i mean that her offensive and bigoted statements, as well as her lack of recognition of the ways in which their offensive and her inability or unwillingness to make a meaningful apology for them, basically require the same sort of response one would give to someone who's being maliciously bigoted.

which is perhaps why you're getting such pushback from folks on the board here. the way you're behaving here is fairly rude, hurtful, and offensive to people who _are_ part of the queer community, including me. i'm not angry at you, i don't hate you, but i would strongly advise you to take a step back and try and understand why you're getting a hostile response from your statements here.

pleading ignorance is not a persuasive option here, i'm afraid. you spoke up on a topic you were ignorant about while ignoring the feedback of people who were _not_ ignorant about, who have direct lived experience of the topic.

look. i'm not unsympathetic. i do have a habit of providing my unsolicited uninformed opinions in the presence of people who actually know what they're talking about. i've done this my whole life, and i'm getting better at it, but, you know, sometimes i make mistakes. when i make a mistake like that, i recognize that it was a mistake, i provide a sincere apology - which looks like "shit, you know a lot more about this stuff than i do, i'm just going to go ahead and figure that you're right about this and i'm wrong", rather than "well, we all have our own opinions and i'm just not going to talk about it" - and after i make a sincere apology, i accept the consequences, because an apology doesn't excuse what i did or said any more than my ignorance does.

murphy conspicuously failed to do all these things, and she failed to do all these things to an extent that some people have voiced suspicions that her actions may have been an actual act of self-sabotage, despite the lack of any evidence to support this belief, just because her actions are so _unbelievably_ self-destructive.

ah, you know, i do find her sympathetic because i find her actions to be so relatable. i guess maybe other people find her behavior really relatable as well. i don't know.

ugh:

Music industry figures are checking their bank balances rather than express any support for Roisin Murphy. A brilliant artist and a fabulous woman @roisinmurphy pic.twitter.com/jRwBPynsLt

— Dave Haslam (@Mr_Dave_Haslam) September 2, 2023

💯 @Mr_Dave_Haslam !

— Pete Heller (@peteheller) September 2, 2023

No Pete no

If nothing else that tweet coming up in my feed gave me new names to immediately stop following

it's always good and useful when the chum shows up the sharks

No surprises here I suppose

https://x.com/alkapranos/status/1698378767247298878?s=46&t=bJOqpCuQneT7ju08y55VSA

I was going to mention P*phides' thread. He could have just ended it after the sixth tweet but then what's really on his mind wouldn't be as clear.

absolutely shocked no wait

Just another civility addict out there missing the point.

So no, I don't agree with 'cancelling' people. Apart from those who actually dish it out of course, who irritate me more than the horrible people whose harm and hypocrisy they're calling out. It's just HATE (unlike the viewpoints the hate is aimed towards)

i know this guy is a bit of nob sometimes but

I once saw #IStandWithRòisínMurphy
Pull the “Do you know who I am”
To a doorman at a party
He replied “yeh I do” and still didn’t let her in…

I stand with that doorman #TransRightsAreHumanRights

— 🏴‍☠️ Geoff Barrow 🏴‍☠️ (@jetfury) September 3, 2023

Glinner is so close to getting his GC 'Coming Out' day he begged for a couple of years back

Haha yeah.

A friend says Paphides is a notoriously argumentative and grudgeful, very surprising

I don't actually remember the old yore days of Agreeinge To Disagree At The Pub, it's almost like it's a made-up idea

Civility is a privilege when you've got no skin in the game